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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 7:07:09 AM

Eir

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What if you and your friend had a falling out and you didn't want your tat anymore? Life happens. Things change. Rushing into a permanent body mark isn't a good idea, but if you love someone and want to express that love in a permanent way, it may not matter to you that that love could go south some day. Hopefully, if you're taking the time to leave a lasting impression on your body, you are less concerned about the possibility of having it after a relationship ends.

The Rose is in loving memory of my friend that died last spring... it's a reminder of the best person that had ever come into my life.
The Trinity Knot is a sign of what and who I am and my FRIENDS gave it to me, for your notice there have been a fallout in that group of friends but I still love the tattoo because it signifys me, the person I AM

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 9:17:52 AM

Wildfleurs

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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Does a tat hurt more than a brand or vice versa?

I don't have his brand yet, but I imagine it would hurt worse to get one. It's hard to say as it would probably depend on the individual. I know before I got the tat, that the artist told me that ankle tats hurt a lot because there is so little meat there, but I didn't think it was that bad at all. Now, I'm heavy, heavy into needle play and have been for several years, so that could be why it didn't seem like a big deal to me. A brand is a whole different animal. If you think about how much it hurts just burning your finger on the stove, that would seem to me to be a lot worse than a tat.

I'll let you know after I get it if I was a whiney ass baby or a soldier. lol

Celeste

I don't have a tatto but I have to say the pain with a brand is really mental. It hurts on impact (my outer labia hurt ten million times more) but really right after it doesn't hurt anymore (because of burnt off nerve endings and such) and in fact the first day or so it doesn't hurt at all and you have the yummy endorphins. The brand pain more came as it healed.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 9:33:04 AM

Meistervoneinem

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ORIGINAL: Eir

I was reading a post from some girl that spoke of her master had scarified her on the chest... he had carved WHORE to her chest for punishment for her bad behavior and now she is not sure what to do... she is no longer the belonging of that master and now she wants that mark away...

My question is why do people mark themselfs that way? I would NEVER alow a master of mine to scarify me or put a tattoo on me! Sure I have tattoos but both of them have a meaning to me, the one on my anckle was a birthday gift from my best friends when I was 18 years old and The Rose is in loving memory of my friend that died last spring...
A tattoo has to have a deeper meaning then just to be a signal of submission because can we really be sure that the relationship will last?

To the subs : Would you alow your master to carve or brand or give you a tattoo that had no meaning exept you were his slave? And if you would... what would it mean to you if you would break up?

To the Doms : If you would to carve, brand or give your slave a tattoo as a sign of her submission to you how would you react when/if the relationship would end and she/he would tell you that she/ would like to get rid of it and wanted you to join the cost because it's REALLY expensive to get something like that away...

I wonder... if I would ever get a tattoo, a brand or get carved for someone the person would have to mean the world to me!

Just thinking.

Care. Eir

Whatever way he marks his property should be done with thought of the future and the what ifs of live. How will the mark look when your 80 and in a nursing home? Always think before you try something.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 9:57:27 AM

NakedOnMyChain

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ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs

I don't have a tatto but I have to say the pain with a brand is really mental. It hurts on impact (my outer labia hurt ten million times more) but really right after it doesn't hurt anymore (because of burnt off nerve endings and such) and in fact the first day or so it doesn't hurt at all and you have the yummy endorphins. The brand pain more came as it healed.

I have both. I have a small brand on my left forearm, a medium-sized tat on my back, and three small tats on my upper right arm.

Honestly, getting a tat doesn't hurt. It's annoying more than anything. It feels like someone is dragging mechanical pencil lead firmly across your arm. It's really irritating and you kind of want to smack the tattoo artist, but it's not that bad. However, the amount of pain depends on where you get your tat. You feet, ankles, or any place with little fat over your bone or muscle will hurt more.

Branding is still worse. The pain from the tat goes away as soon as they take the gun off your skin. It stings lightly and is sore for a couple of days, but a brand's pain doesn't go away for quite some time. It hurts like hell initially, lets up for a small amount of time, then comes back worse than before. It feels like you've deeply burnt yourself (that makes sense), and takes just about as long to heal. I'd rather have pencil lead dragged across my skin than get a serious burn anyday.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 11:17:14 AM

Gem

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Brightest Blessings

<<<for your notice there have been a fallout in that group of friends but I still love the tattoo because it signifys me, the person I AM >>>>

That's it in a nutshell for those of us who get scars, brands, and tattoos from our Owners, it signify's where we have been, who we are, and where we are going.

A long time ago in a land far away I could never imagine ever being surrendered chattel to another human being let alone a Man, *chuckles* men where suppose to be under my boot not the other way around....7 years in collar later I can't imagine NOT being chattel.

Right now you are in a place where you can not wrap your mind around the fact that there are folks who want scars, including the words whore and slut craved into them, and maybe you will always be there....but I have watched alot of folks say never to something and the next thing you know there they are doing that never thing LOL.

Blessed Be
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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 3:38:00 PM

kyraofMists

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ORIGINAL: Eir

No I wasn't but he agrees on it, if someone marks someone with out permission... didn't you read his post?

In your original post you called this man "master".

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I was reading a post from some girl that spoke of her master had scarified her on the chest

This denotes an M/s relationship, so the master does not need the "permission" of the slave to do whatever he wants to do. That is why it is so very important to enter into an M/s relationship with someone's whose values, thoughts and opinions you can respect.

Just because someone agrees with you does not make it acceptable to make absolute statements on an event that you have little to no knowledge of. You could probably find a lot of people who agree with your opinion, but that does not mean that your opinion holds true for every single person on this planet, during every single moment of their lives.

Yes, I read his post and even made a comment that expecting others to have your same value system is unrealistic and making absolute statements is not wise. I guess you missed that post since it didn't support the opinion that you wanted to hear?

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 8:35:54 PM

Ares1

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denying it ever existed. On the other hand, he is bothered that I "cling" to things, seeing it as a sign of not moving forward.

maybe it just seems rude and petty to flaunt these things when he is focusd on a life with the woman he chose and loves

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 8:45:26 PM

cloudboy

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That is clearly fucked up, and you are 100% right --- never, ever let anyone fuck with youe body and the way it is. Your body is yours, no Master or Mistress is going to have to live with the things they do to you, so tell'em if they want a branding or a tatoo ---- tell'em to get one themselves.

She should sue him for intentional infliction of emotional distress and also for body disfigurement. She might even be able to file criminal charges as well.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 8:48:41 PM

KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: Ares1

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denying it ever existed. On the other hand, he is bothered that I "cling" to things, seeing it as a sign of not moving forward.

maybe it just seems rude and petty to flaunt these things when he is focusd on a life with the woman he chose and loves

or maybe he is having difficulty moving forward from the past and seeing these reminders only inhibits his ability to be focused on the present and future and instead of taking responsiblity for his own issues he projects his feelings into her, thinking her desire to hold and savory good memories as being rude and petty.

Some people just need to have a escape goat! to blame for their feelings and issues... instead of looking into themselves for the reasons!

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/20/2006 11:20:08 PM

KittenWithaTwist

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

That is clearly fucked up, and you are 100% right --- never, ever let anyone fuck with youe body and the way it is. Your body is yours, no Master or Mistress is going to have to live with the things they do to you, so tell'em if they want a branding or a tatoo ---- tell'em to get one themselves.

She should sue him for intentional infliction of emotional distress and also for body disfigurement. She might even be able to file criminal charges as well.

It's true. Lawfully, no one has the right to tattoo, mark, or permanently damage or modify your body except you. Your body belongs to you, lawfully. However, in some M/s and D/s relationships, people believe that their bodies are no longer their own, but belong to another on a physical, mental, and/or spiritual plane. These people often consent to markings, tattoos, modifications, or "damages", for whatever reason. This is their right, as a consenting adult.

If a dominant asks or tells a submissive with whom they are in a relationship to get a tattoo, branding, or modification, it is up to both parties to consent to and go through with the process of completing said order or request.

Something tells me that the girl in question (from the OP) was not forced against her will to be permanently marked with a taboo word. If this is the case, by all means, sue. But if it is not the case, and if she did consent, then what is the OP so up in arms about? Geesh.

Some people consent to body modifications. Some people consent to extreme modification. Get over it. They obviously enjoyed it at some point or THEY WOULD NOT HAVE CONSENTED TO IT. Perhaps you will never understand the significance of a humiliating mark from a loved one when you enjoy humiliation, but don't knock it till you try it.

(PS: The abuse argument...way over the top.)

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/21/2006 8:36:52 AM

cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: KittenWithaTwist

Something tells me that the girl in question (from the OP) was not forced against her will to be permanently marked with a taboo word. If this is the case, by all means, sue. But if it is not the case, and if she did consent, then what is the OP so up in arms about? Geesh.

The DOM went too far here. What he did was demented. At BEST, he took advantage of his sub's weaknesses. Nobody with an ounce of sense would think she "consented" to having WHORE branded painfully onto her body.

A person's body is a person's body. No DOM has any right, whatsoever, to tie a sub down and permenantly mark or change the sub's body without the sub giving some kind of VALID, informed, and emotionally balanced consent.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/21/2006 9:57:36 AM

kyraofMists

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

A person's body is a person's body. No DOM has any right, whatsoever, to tie a sub down and permenantly mark or change the sub's body without the sub giving some kind of VALID, informed, and emotionally balanced consent.

I guess you are omniscient since absolutely NOTHING in the OP indicated that the girl did not consent to this or even that she had. You are making an assumption that because the person the OP was referring to regrets the action that there was no consent and that is reckless. It may be that she consented to being marked during punishment and now that the relationship is over is regretting it. Doesn't mean she didn't consent to it in the first place. But we do not know!! There is insufficient evidence to indicate either possibility and I am surprised at the negative conclusions that are being drawn.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/21/2006 12:19:09 PM

ChereeAmoor

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I am lucky in that if I am tattooed or scarified, it will be with something that has meaning for ME a well as for my Doms. We have discussed this extensively, and they are indulgent in this matter, even permitting me to choose the time it will happen. We have all been together for years, and plan on several more, so who can say when it will happen? Oh.....right.....I get to say when it will happen. *giggle*

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/21/2006 3:06:54 PM

Petruchio

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Sounds like it was a half-ass decision to me.
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it may be...to YOU...........but i am damned proud to have it..
She is a grand Lady............still to this day...
i dont remember having been told i had to ask your damned permission..........
ya dont like it

go elsewhere...

people like you make me belly fed up..........
i know for a fact YOU got some shit goin on "I" dont like either,,,but i aint said 1 friggen word to ya have i?

i am so sick of wannabes..............

My dear veronica, there's such a thing as humor and irony. You had written you'd had a tat on your butt your woman didn't like, so the 'half-ass' JOKE came naturally. See?

Lighten up, else we'll start to suspect you're not really a submissive or masochist or whatever.

(P.S. That's another joke– no one's really questioning you.)

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/21/2006 3:26:20 PM

Petruchio

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After catching up on the posts, I've concluded that some of us missed the beginning of the movie.

I am not criticizing anyone who writes whatever they wish on their bodies voluntarily. Never have I said branding is wicked. (If you check Eir's profile, you'll see that she's into tats as well.) What I did do was go back to Eir's original premise that the girl had been involuntarily carved with a knife (presumably).

I defend your right to free speech anywhere on your body. I'll even more quickly defend you if someone (you don't wish) comes after you with a knife. I'm a dominant… that's what I do. Are we not on the same side or am I missing something?

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/22/2006 3:21:16 AM

Eir

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The girl I was reffering to was carved without her will by her dom, that girl had these things on her hardlimit list and therefor what he did was wrong.

True :P I like tattoos :) There is a reason why I have two of them and planing to get more as soon as I have a real reason for it.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/22/2006 8:18:22 AM

kyraofMists

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ORIGINAL: Eir

The girl I was reffering to was carved without her will by her dom, that girl had these things on her hardlimit list and therefor what he did was wrong.

It's rather convenient to bring in additional information that supports your opinion days after the discussion has begun. It leads me to question the veracity of this information and why it wasn’t stated in the original post. It has been 4 pages of discussion and now this information is being stated?? It is rather suspect to me.

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True :P I like tattoos :) There is a reason why I have two of them and planing to get more as soon as I have a real reason for it.

And I love my cutting that my Lord did. There is a reason why I have it and I will be getting more as soon as my Lord decides to do them. I will be getting another one that covers my entire back and I am very much looking forward to it.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/22/2006 11:31:04 AM

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The tatoo I would place on a sub, if I did, would be subtle and small. The cost of covering it would be less than the cost of a good set of cuffs. So the expense of covering or removing would fall on her. As I do not share equipment, all the toys bought would be given to her when we split. She could always Ebay the equipment to get the money. That may seem a bit harsh, but then again, I have never placed a permanent mark on a slave.

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/22/2006 12:40:03 PM

Eir

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I have said this befor if it's YOUR will to have his mark then it's your will but none should be marked without wanting to

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RE: Something came across my mind and path - 1/22/2006 2:15:43 PM

KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: Petruchio

After catching up on the posts, I've concluded that some of us missed the beginning of the movie.

I am not criticizing anyone who writes whatever they wish on their bodies voluntarily. Never have I said branding is wicked. (If you check Eir's profile, you'll see that she's into tats as well.) What I did do was go back to Eir's original premise that the girl had been involuntarily carved with a knife (presumably).

actually what the orginal post with regards to the example given is this..

quote:

I was reading a post from some girl that spoke of her master had scarified her on the chest... he had carved WHORE to her chest for punishment for her bad behavior and now she is not sure what to do... she is no longer the belonging of that master and now she wants that mark away...

Now this is something she read.. from a girl who was a slave to a Master. This of course is the assumption that she was slave since she speaks of Master not Dom. This denotes M/s Relationship. The Master's will and authority being the primary in the relationship over the slave. Keeping in mind that the slave could at any moment say No if they so choose to and end the relationship and stop the punishment

No where in her orginal post did the OP state the actions was involuntary. Does the Master ask each time he/she wants to do something to the slave... not in my books.... but having said that the Master does have a responsibility to not abuse or harm the slavel as well.

Interestly enough as the thread goes along the OP adds and in effect is changing the orginal post. That dramactically shifts everything!

quote:

The girl I was reffering to was carved without her will by her dom, that girl had these things on her hardlimit list and therefor what he did was wrong.

So now the girl is with a Dom... and that it was a hard limit.... So is the guy a Dom or Master? what is the truth here! or is the OP person just yanking on peoples chain here to cause a little drama.

In the appropriate relationship such as M/s relationship a marking could be real possibility. I suggest before anyone wishes to enter into the M/s relationship as a slave that they have deep consideration of the possibilities that may occur.. and markings - be it tatoos, cuttings, branding etc are possible and actually a common occurance.

In a Negotiated D/s relationship a Dom who makes a marking without having clear consent would be very wrong. Cloud boy said it best when he said

quote:

No DOM has any right, whatsoever, to tie a sub down and permenantly mark or change the sub's body without the sub giving some kind of VALID, informed, and emotionally balanced consent.

A Dom needs Valid Consent!!! A Master has consent by the very existence of the relationship!

So again, back to the OP... Was this a Master or was it a Dom... or is just creating some drama here..

I am thinking the last is most likely

< Message edited by KnightofMists -- 1/22/2006 2:21:20 PM >

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