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FirmhandKY -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 10:27:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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I've killed people for a living.


You don't take requests, do you? [:)]


Cmail me.  You never know.  [:D]

Oh, yeah ... I've spanked my kids before.

In public even.  [8D]

Hell, I've even picked my nose from time to time.

And farted in bed, with the covers over my head.

Firm




OrionTheWolf -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 10:29:23 PM)

In the Atlanta area we only have a couple, and they are usually full almost all of the time. I volunteered for a while, but got disgusted with the Board because it was a bunch of old, rich people playing politics. The other reason is that I fostered many of the newborn and ill felines. I may be a hard ass most of the time, but having so many of them not make it, just got to be too much.


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Another thing..........there are MANY no kill shelters all over this country. Most will take an animal,  no questions asked. Those I volunteer for do. They are also no kill. In addition, each animal adopted out must be spayed or neutered.





TheHeretic -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 10:35:38 PM)

       Something else to keep in mind, Firm, when it comes to them having the ability to survive.  That will likely mean becoming a part of a pack, and a pack of wild dogs is a menace to the community. 




cilissa -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 11:23:31 PM)

I think I may have posted once in the forums but this one caught my eye.  I don't  agree with the dropping off of animals to fend for themselves, but aside from that I think the OP has gone far and out of his way to try and help the animals left on his doorstep.  I own a hobby farm and a good many of my animals are rescues, a few were feral cats that wandered into my world and got themselves fixed and taken care of.  One still isn't sure he's completely impressed with this "lap of luxury" notion and still prefers to sleep outside in 30 below weather sometimes.  Many farms in my area have 3 or more dogs and cats, all drop-offs.  I spent many years as a Special Constable for the SPCA, investigating and prosecuting cruelty to animals cases.  A good many animals crossed my doorstep, many requiring months of rehabilitation to get over the fear of people, to recover from starvation or bullet wounds.  Now living in the country I face a lot of farmers telling me I spend too much money on critters.  All my male goats are wethered, my llama is neutered, as is my pot bellied pig boar.  I have 10 cats and 3 dogs, all fixed.  I also owe the vet my first born child.  The difference in opinion of what constitutes cruelty is worlds apart from farm to city and somewhere in the middle is the actual law.

I think from the sounds of it most posters are in the US.  I know the local shelters here are no-kill policy and no charge for dropping off strays.  I also know the locals believe a bullet solves most euthanasia issues for stray anythings.  The prices at vet clinics are rising, one of our pet rats (yes, rats) required euthanasia and I was quoted everything from $25 to $110... to put down a rat.  A -rat-. Ridiculous.  Makes one realize why people prefer a bullet, or in the case of the rodent I was told to just hold it by the tail and smack it onto a cement block. Ick. 

Suffice to say this is a good topic, as well as a controversial one. 

If one lives in temperate climates and drops a dog off in a rural setting said dog will probably wind up doing quite well and finding a new home... or die of starvation, disease, turn feral and eat the neighbourhood cats. 

If one chooses to use a bullet for euthanasia, well, it might kill the dog... or the dog may suffer needlessly.

If one calls the local shelter the dog may do well, get a great home, live happily after. Or get a bad home where it's ignored and abused. Or die a humane death because of shelter overcrowding. 

And if one chooses to keep all the strays that wind up on their doorstep then eventually that same well meaning person might run out of money and become the "crazy cat lady" that loves all of her 80 cats but is charged with animal abuse because she just couldn't make ends meet anymore.

I personally have somewhere in the region of 200 pets.  I have the spca at my house regularly, hoping to catch me doing something I oughtn't [;)] They repeatedly tell me if I get -too many- strays or rescues, please call them, they'll help out.

Wonder what they'd do with that crocodile someone just gave me?[:D]




WyldHrt -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 11:23:44 PM)

While I understand your thinking, Firm, your position is one that I cannot support. My current situation does not allow me to have pets, but all the dogs I have had were rescues, and I've done volunteer work with both a local all-breed rescue and breed specific pit bull rescue. My female pit came to me at age 9 months weighing under 40lbs, 20 lbs underweight for her frame, even after spending 2 weeks in the care of a private rescue "eating like a pig". The lady who ran the place told me that she looked WONDERFUL compared to how she did when they took her in, and I wanted to puke looking at her concave belly and protruding bones. You see, someone had "dropped her off" in the country and she spent God knows how long slowly starving to death before being spotted by someone who called the A/C to come get her. Had her temperament not been extremely stable, she would most likely have been shot for ravaging livestock or going after a two legged "target of opportunity". Had she not had an iron will to live, she most likely would have given up and died a miserable death long before she was found.

Lest you take this story as an example to support your position, please understand that she would have died a horrible death within hours/days if not for the fact that there was a local rescue and an active animal control agency in the area where she was found. Even then, it was a 1/ 100,000 shot that she survived at all. You have said that there is neither one in your location, hence no "safety net" for abandoned animals other than  people just like you who are probably also overwhelmed with strays. Starvation, coyotes, ranchers with rifles, and cars in the road are only some of the hazards that a domestic animal faces when abandoned. For an animal in that situation, a quick death is often preferable to what will happen when a well meaning but misguided person "sets them free".

JMHO


 




Vendaval -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/22/2009 12:49:20 AM)

Emporer 1956,
 
I am responding here since your profile on the other side is off.  Thank you very much for the kind sentiments.  I hope someday to have a small ranch or a few acres with room for adopted shelter and rescue animals.
 
Vendaval


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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956
Vendaval, I knew you were a "shelter person".  I'm sorry that you can only have one animal companion in your life right now, and I hope you may have many more in the future.

E.




Vendaval -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/22/2009 12:50:59 AM)

And the packs of stray dogs also become a problem with livestock and horses.  Which increases the chance that the dogs will be shot or poisoned by the ranchers.


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
      Something else to keep in mind, Firm, when it comes to them having the ability to survive.  That will likely mean becoming a part of a pack, and a pack of wild dogs is a menace to the community. 




DominantDamsel -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/22/2009 1:29:51 AM)

I've always enjoyed your and Treasure's posts in the past, Firm. This one is tough.

I'm a softy when it comes to animals and I've taken in as many as I can afford. I'm currently at seven cats, three dogs, and two wild aquatic turtles (one was run over on the highway, the other one almost got hit by the riding mower). Anyway, I've done my best to tell myself "no more." I'm full up. I'm stretched thin as it is..but should another show up, I honestly have no idea what I'll do. I try not to get attached but it seems to happen and I wind up keeping whatever it is.

The last couple of dogs that have showed up, I did bathe and take care of. I had them fixed and then I kept them until I could have them adopted, working with a lady down the road who runs a small animal rescue facility. Knowing that I'm working with her helped me not to feel so overwhelmed. I recommend you look into something similar.

I don't support your re-dumping these animals, though I understand the being overwhelmed by it all aspect of what you've been dealing with. I have no doubt that if you start looking, there is someone else who will help you find homes for these animals in the future, who may even allow you to bring them over temporarily. You need to locate holding pens for them, while you seek good homes.

Don't shoot them, unless there simply is no other choice. The lethal injection is the most humane and this is certainly more humane than dumping them again is.

I hope you won't be offended if I say that I'm going to keep you and Treasure in my prayers in this regard, because I have no doubt that your heart is and has been in the right place on this matter. Blessings..and hang in there.




Honsoku -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/22/2009 1:59:31 AM)

~fr~

As is typical, ~90% of the respondents didn't actually do more than skim the OP, so they ended up over simplifying a rather subtle ethical issue. Yes, I get annoyed when people get all haughty and judgmental when it is obvious from their response that they didn't even bother to actually read. I'll break it down;

Person lives in a very rural area, so few to none of the public services that city folk take for granted are available. There is no dog catcher, the nearest vet may be 20+ miles away, and there certainly isn't any such thing as timely services (emergency, or otherwise). This also means that most of the services that are free in the city aren't free out here and that the average income level is much much lower.

As it is a rural area, many dogs get dropped off near where person lives.

Person, out of (possibly misplaced) kindness, takes in and cares for the dogs that he can.

Circumstances change, and for one reason or another, person has collected way more dogs than person can afford to take care of. Person needs to get rid of extra cost cheaply and near immediately. Extra money spent means less money to feed other dogs.

What does the person do?

Does the person;

A: Let the extra dogs starve.
B: Have the extra dogs put to sleep (at considerable additional cost).
C: Put extra dogs down himself.
D: Drop these drop-offs off somewhere else.

The first three options are guaranteed, relatively painless, death for the animal(s) in question, while the 4th is a chance at life vs. a death that would probably be miserable.

Now a lot of people have bemoaned how this means the dog will quite likely starve. This would be a much more viable concern if these were lap dogs. Odds are that these are mostly medium to large dogs, as they are the ones that are most expensive to care for and thusly most likely to get dropped off. Drop-offs picked up as puppies and raised outdoors will be able to hunt for themselves just fine (more often than not) and quite few that are dropped off as adults will only need minor incentive to start hunting again.

To me, the chance for survival outweighs the chance for dying. If it wasn't for the chance of these dogs posing a threat to others' life and property, I probably would have done the same thing. However, because of the decent chance of them posing a threat to others, I probably would have put the dogs down myself. Though to do that does take a certain amount of ruthlessness. Those of you who will argue that he should have spent a bunch of money finding more "humane" ways, should consider that spending that money takes away from the feeding and care of other dogs. I don't really agree with your choice Firm, but I understand why you chose it and I won't condemn you for it. It was a shitty, no-win situation that you were trying to make the best of.

Oh, and E., you don't really want to use a 22. to try to put down an animal of any size as the inertia is too low to be reliable. If the shot isn't dead on, there is a non-trivial chance that it will be deflected by the skull. A 9mm is the smallest caliber that is both widely available and reliable for the purpose.




FullCircle -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/22/2009 4:18:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
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It was also a place in which many pet dogs would find as the end of the road from their previous owners.
Firm

That doesn't have any more clarity than the first time I read it, what makes your land the breakers yard for people off loading their dogs and why are they any different to you? If the problem is that bad you need a sign saying “No Dogs”




calamitysandra -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/22/2009 5:02:46 AM)

FR

I do believe you tried to do the right thing, as evidenced by the care you gave to the large amount of strays that you kept.
However, that you were trying to do the right thing does not make what you did right, or good. In fact, I believe you screwed up. In a mayor way.
As many have explained to you already, you were condemning most of those dropped of dogs to a slow, and painfull death. Those that truly did adapt present another problem. Feral dogs are a danger, and tend to get shot at without many questions asked.
In the end, I do believe you did those dogs a disservice, and you created the very same problems you were facing for others.

Now, putting dogs down by means of an headshot is another issue. As I am in no way an animal or weapons expert, I can not say anything about the likelihood of such a shot leading to an immediate and painless death. However, there is something in your op about this point that is food for thougt.

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Unfortunately, from time to time we had to "thin the pack". If a dog was sick beyond care, we'd take them to the vet to be put down. If they were dangerous, or could not be trained to respect the physical integrity of the children, they were put down locally (usually with a 9 mm). Some wondered off, never to be seen again. Some found other homes.

Now, if shooting a dog is a perfectly viable way for you to put down a dog, why not do the same with the sick animal?
Shooting only the "bad" dogs caries the distinct odour of punishment, not something that reflects well on you.





Anarrus -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/22/2009 5:04:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: came4U

btw, I don't advocate spade and neutering either,...I allow my pets to breed naturally at will or I take the responsibility of the temperment or smells that occur.  Artificial removal of reproduction organs is just one of my ummm pet-peeves. lol



This mindset is just plain fucking asinine. Do you realize how many unwanted, uncared for dogs and cats there are in this country simply due to ignorance such as yours. Don't advocate.....why in hell wouldn't you? It's the sensible and humane thing to do. It makes absolutely no sense not to. "lol"?? how can you even fucking laugh at such irresponsibility?
Go volunteer your time in a couple animal shelters on weekends. You just might become educated about the plight of unwanted animals and change your lame-ass opinion.
And btw..it's "spayed", not spade.

Anarrus




MmeGigs -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/22/2009 5:50:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf
Cats are pretty good at making it on their own in the wild,


A lot of folks assume this, but it's not true.  Catching food isn't a skill cats pick up on their own - momcat teaches them to do this.  A lot of housecats wouldn't know what to do with a mouse if it did the eat-me dance right under their noses.  My Bob got out and got lost for 4 weeks after we moved to the country, and when we finally found him he was a half-dead tick-ridden bag of bones.  A cat without hunting skills is going to have a slow, miserable death in the wild.

On the other paw, cats with hunting skills can do a lot of damage.  There are big concerns in some areas about the decimation of song birds, and around here folks worry about the wild turkey and pheasant populations.  They nest on the ground and their chicks are easy meals for feral cats.  They can be hard on domestic poultry, too.




Irishknight -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/22/2009 5:50:35 AM)

Firm, I want you to realize that while I call the act cowardly, I am not calling you a coward.  Taking the easy way out and letting these animals die painfully while turning your head the other way does qualify as a cowardly act in my book.  I realize that it is one act out of many in your life and is not the sum of who you are.  If the word bothers you when applied to this act, think about why it bothers you.  I bet if someone turned their head on a suffering human you would consider that cowardly or even criminal.  What you did doesn't make you evil or a coward but it was wrong.  You meant well but went about it wrong.

Honsoku, I live in an extremely rural area.  I have seen the suffering these animals are going through when they find their way to us.  It is neither humane nor even human to put another living creature through that sort of torture.  By far, the majority will be put down by farmers protecting their livestock after the animal has nearly starved to death.  Over the years, a number of such strays have found it alright to attack human beings as well.  I think, if we follow the logic you laid out, we could justify letting altheimer's patients wander the streets.   They would have a slim chance of survival and so that is better than wasting all of that money on medical treatment and proper care. 

In this state, laws have been passed to name the dumping of domesticated animals as abuse.  A recent law passed makes first offense animal abuse a felony in this state.  Get caught dumping a dog in Arkansas and its automatic jail time from here on out.




BitaTruble -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/22/2009 5:56:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


But most of the time the dogs were harmless, prior pets, lovable in their own right, and I respected them enough not to put them to death. If I could find no one to accept responsibility for them, I'd "drop them off".

Some (many, I dare say) see this as being somehow "cruel".  I disagree, and believe it is cruel and unfeeling to simply condemn an otherwise healthy and lovable animals to extinction without chance of reprieve.  By taking them out, and leaving them to chance and the kindness of strangers I believe that I at least gave them a chance at life, and a chance at happiness, even if the occasional cost was struggle and death.

That's all I've asked for in my life: a chance.  I see extending the same possibility to these animals as the moral and respectful thing to do.

What are your thoughts?

Firm



When I get an emotional kneejerk reaction to a post, generally, I try to step away and try to see if time will allow me clarity of thought. If that doesn´t work, I turn to doing what I do best which is research. Getting facts often helps me see beyond my heart and with this post, after wishing vile things upon you, hoping that you would get caught and criminally prosecuted for animal abuse, I figured it was time to do some actual research to see what other options you would have had in KY.

When it comes to stray dogs and rescue shelthers in KY, basically, they suck. Two counties are currently undergoing law suits for violating federal animal cruelty laws, failure to wait a mandated 48 hours before carrying out euthanasia and failure to test adequately for rabies at their shelters and several others have had to clean up their acts because of the inhumane way that strays were and are being treated. Resources are slim in the cities and the rural areas have almost no resources at all.  Labs, Goldens, Rotties, Beagles, Siberian Huskies and German Shepards are the 6 most common breeds of animals which are abandoned or lost. These breeds all require more food and care than simple lap dogs and are more likely to survive in the wild. Dropping off a lap dog in the wild is pretty much a death sentence.

I could not find any statistics regarding pure breeds versus mixed breeds  and the associated survival rate except that pure breds who are lost have a 67% chance of being reclaimed if they are taken to a shelter. Mixed breeds have only a 40% chance of reclamation. If the dogs were truly abandoned rather than lost, then, of course, they would not be reclaimed although if they are chipped, their owners could be located and then they would be responsible for the dogs expenses if the owners are still in state.  In addition, I could not find any statistics on a national level, but researching several states, the average seemed to be about 25,000 abandoned dogs per state per year. That was for 1993 though and including 1998.  Given the state of the economy in the US now, I would surmise those numbers may have risen significantly.

So my thoughts .. given the information I found out, given the fact that any stray that came into my possession would have an unknown history, given the state of animal shelters in KY, I suppose I can understand driving several miles to drop off the strays that found their way into your life but that you could no longer care for .. for whatever reason. That said, rabies, while rare in the United States has not been eradicated and putting strays back into the wild increases their chances of infection. Also, because of the unknown history, you cannot say for sure whether the animals were lost or abandoned nor whether or not they were chipped. Driving them to the shelter could have determined whether or not that much loved, otherwise healthy and previously lovable pet was being missed by some family and since most of the shelters in KY are in compliance with mandated law, the odds are the dogs would have, at least, been given a health check and then been adopted or not as luck allows.  If adopted, they would have received automatic rabies vaccines. Most folks who want a pet do not go driving around the rural country side looking for one.. they go to rescue shelters.

All in all though, I think you were stuck between a rock and a hard place and did the best you could at the time .. and any choice could have been good or bad for the animals. Strays left in the wild; usually bad and their chances are slim. Strays left at an animal shelter in KY; also bad and their chances are slim but they have more of a chance if they are left with another human, especially if they are lost rather than abandoned, than if they are left in the wild in very rural areas such as yours.

If you ever find yourself in a similar situation in the future, you have more options now. Craigslist, a resource which did not exist 10 years ago but which does now, is one of those new options. 

You have taken some heat on this thread. You knew you would though, and knowledgeable consent is the best kind. [8D]

Was it justified heat? ::shrugs:: You choose to bring this to the boards so ya takes yer chances. Do I think you are some sort of asshat for what you have done? Not really. I do hope you do not do it again, though, since you have other options now and if you did do it again, then, yes, I would consider you an asshat. For the time frame of which you spoke, with the resources you had available, it comes down to doing what you think is best and that is what you did, so I cannot fault you for it. I, personally, would have made a different choice.





came4U -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/22/2009 6:21:53 AM)

I said:

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btw, I don't advocate spade and neutering either,...I allow my pets to breed naturally at will or I take the responsibility of the temperment or smells that occur.  Artificial removal of reproduction organs is just one of my ummm pet-peeves. lol


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This mindset is just plain fucking asinine. Do you realize how many unwanted, uncared for dogs and cats there are in this country simply due to ignorance such as yours. Don't advocate.....why in hell wouldn't you? It's the sensible and humane thing to do. It makes absolutely no sense not to. "lol"?? how can you even fucking laugh at such irresponsibility?


So you suggest that it is asinine that if my cat sprays or humps his artificial fur toy that is disturbing the nation? If my cat is moody and horny, I should remove it's testes because it is an inconvenience to me? oh oh, he sprayed in the back yard, OFF WITH THE NUTS!!  

My one cat doesn't leave the house (he doesn't want to). My daddy cat is the troller who goes where he wants.  He has the opportunity to hump 3 cats within proximity.  Those familiar females have had 2 litters each, the owners and I got together and adopted out 14 of those beautifully coloured kittens to good homes.  There is only one female left for him to breed with, the other two mamas are gone about 19 miles away.  The remaining female was fertilized outside the city by a different breed than my cat so her owner could get a different kind of litter. 

What don't you understand about 'responsibility'?

My 'daddy' cat is an American cat, from Michigan, transported here because his owner didn't want him to go to a shelter that would euthenize him within 1 day of not being adopted.  If not for that lady knowing someone at border patrol, he never would have been allowed across.  A friend she had at the Toronto Humane Society was kind enough to take in the rest of her litter so they avoid execution.

Yeah, I am horrible, horrible person..I should be ashamed of myself. [8|]  Please abuse me verbally on the internet without knowing the entire story so that you feel like a big man.









MissMorrigan -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/22/2009 6:31:41 AM)


I left this thread last night (early hours for me) and went to bed, I continued to ponder a lot of what had been said regarding the subject of euthanasing animals in a way we (Westernised society) consider 'humane' and some things continue to nudge away at me. I hadn't wanted to give in to an initial knee-jerk reaction.

What do we consider humane? Sure we can round animals up, keep them in holding pens (much to their distress) for whatever length of time that they are there which could be anything from days, to weeks, sometimes even months if it's an animal shelter that doesn't euthanase their charges, they may even have a daily walk and are fed daily, but, they are still distressed and still many shelters are inadequate.

I adore animals, I really do, Ive read how other members have volunteered at animal shelters/charities and have personally given homes to animals that have been rescued. I have too, each month I do put my money where my mouth is and donate monies to two well-known animal charities (one of which is specific to the UK), and I also donate to human charities also, as well as having once volunteered for one of them. Throughout my lifetime I have had many many pets and all of these, including my two cats which are now sixteen years of age and were rescued from an appalling environment with even more appalling injuries, have been rescued animals. Yet, omitting a small calibre gun in preference for one which would leave no doubt whatsoever of terminating life the moment its bullet entered into the flesh, and providing no other solution was evident (as a last resort), I do believe I would consider the gun more humane than the holding of animals in distressing conditions. The problem as I see, is perhaps one of perception of what constitutes abuse.

We live in a culture which reveres its animals (most of us seem to) and I think we do so to a point of irrational ideology, ie substituting them for human companionship and more often than not, to the pet's detriment. So, what are the options when in a rural setting and faced with a stray animal you can't afford to take on board and know that the local animal shelter is going to euthanase it anyway? Taking an animal several miles away to dump it, or consider it your responsibility to 'deal' with the situation as you see fit, even if that means shooting it to end its life. I abhor the first solution, dumping an animal brings about a whole plethora of other issues and I would use just about every negative adjective to describe who would resort to that, hoping there would be some legal recourse. The latter option of shooting it.. It's preferable to the mindless dumping again of said animal. But are those really the only two options?




Owner59 -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/22/2009 7:04:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Maybe Irishknight rather than a coward he is just making a well meaning mistake...Hell if I were a dog I would want to be free and take my chances rather then be killed because I was too old too ugly or too mean looking.

I think he is wrong in his thinking but not evil for thinking it...I can understand his way of thinking anyway.

Butch


What Irish said is how people think and feel.

But it`s a mistake to believe dogs think like us or operate like us.

They don`t reason the situation the way Irish mentioned.

Of course an animal will instinctively choose to survive,even if that means choosing pain,suffering disease,being attacked and/or injured,etc.

That survival drive is in all living things but shouldn`t be confused with being humane.

Quick example.

An elderly dog,racked with pain at every move and obviously completely unable to function(get up/lay down,do BMs and pee,eat/keep food down,walk,etc.),but there it is,still alive.

Should we continue this dog`s suffering because the dog would choose(given a choice) to continue(instinctively)?

Seems to me that Firm is looking for some sort moral dispensation or forgiveness over his situation.Him being a victim of circumstance with so few options<heavy sarcasm> and all.

He doesn`t get any.

You`re going to have to process your guilt some other way,Firm.

To counter the excuses/non-excuses,reasoning/rational/non rational reasoning....

You can call the health dept.If your dinky town can`t afford a dog catcher,call the county health officials and so on.

You can`t just say this is someone else`s problem, when those dogs cross your path.It then becomes your`s.Just ask,what would god do?

In my state,it`s illegal to feed strays.The suffering it causes, just multiples.




Aylee -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/22/2009 7:51:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: calamitysandra

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Unfortunately, from time to time we had to "thin the pack". If a dog was sick beyond care, we'd take them to the vet to be put down. If they were dangerous, or could not be trained to respect the physical integrity of the children, they were put down locally (usually with a 9 mm). Some wondered off, never to be seen again. Some found other homes.

Now, if shooting a dog is a perfectly viable way for you to put down a dog, why not do the same with the sick animal?
Shooting only the "bad" dogs caries the distinct odour of punishment, not something that reflects well on you.




See, I read that as he put down the "bad" dogs locally because they were too dangerous to round up and drive them to a vet.  I do not see how it reflects badly that he did not want his face torn off or his children chewed up. 

Of course, I come from a family of Neatherdals also, if a dog bit a child, the dog was taken out and shot.  There was no "three-strikes and your out" option. 




scarlethiney -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/22/2009 8:03:42 AM)

Your to be commended for taking in so many strays, I have to believe only someone who loves animals would do so.................unfortunately dumping the strays you took in as a method of "thinning" out the herd is not an acceptable alternative. Making the effort to get them to a shelter would have been the responsible and kind thing to do regardless of the outcome. At least at the shelter you could have been sure these animals would have at least been fed and had shelter.
I can understand your angst at the idea that they would have possibly been put down at some point. It still doesn't make your abandoning them the right or best choice.

scarlet





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