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TreasureKY -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 6:54:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

So after reading all of this....

First..so you can't bring yourself to get all of these dogs that suddenly show up on your doorstep, neutered/spayed and then you just drop them off in the wood somewhere...couple months later you get pregnant bitches showing up suddenly on your doorstep that you now have to take care of and probably eventually dump in the wood again...

Ya know if you would have gotten them neutered/spayed in the first place maybe you wouldn't have so many showing up on your doorstep?

Just a thought



To be fair, the first time I visited Firm's home in the country, I was floored by the number of dogs there.  There were at least 12 at the time, and I believe Firm had mentioned having just gotten rid of several.  Every single one of them a stray that had showed up and made themselves at home. 

I cannot imagine the ongoing expense of having to take financial responsibility for them.  Firm has my sympathy when it comes to his having to make the hard decision on whether to finance his family or continue to finance the dogs (or their disposal).  Especially in light of the fact that his children and ex (who had not yet vacated the premises) fought him every step of the way and made the home an inviting place for the strays.

It is very easy to say that the preferred option would be to pay the mere $20 to have Animal Control take a dog away, but what would you do if you were faced with dozens of dogs and the prospect of paying hundreds of dollars?  Every month?




Irishknight -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 7:19:39 PM)

Firm, we often agree, more often than not even.  On this I have to call you dead wrong.  Dumping an animal off on a lonely road is cowardly and most likely condemns them to suffering and starvation.  Then they turn up at someone's doorstep like mine and are too weak to continue or are so hungry that they attack food animals and livestock.  A bullet in the head is often far more humane than anything else we can do.  Its a guaranty that an animals caught chasing livestock is a dead one.  Why make him suffer along that path.

As for purebreds being the only ones worth not having fixed, I prefer my dogs not nearly so inbred.  The best dogs I have evr had have been mixed breeds.  I have owned purebloods and mutts and the mutts have been better dogs all around.  Occassionally, there is a dog that has qualities you want to pass on be they mutt or not and as long as you take care of the offspring you are doing the right thing.  Pureblood snobbery causes inbred dogs that shake like walking Jello and go into siezures.  Thats soooo very fun to have around the house.




TheHeretic -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 7:32:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


I know I'm going to take some heat for this .... 




         Add a tally mark from me, Firm.  I used to see animals that had been 'taken for a ride' out near my place in the country.  It was a death sentence.  Cars or coyotes or just the desert heat with no water or food.  I'd see them in the morning on my way out to work, hours before the shelter opened.  Maybe again later, now too traumatized and terrified to do anything but cower and run from me.  It made we want to lump a person up, every time I saw it. 

        Ok.  Sometimes you try to help a stranger, and it doesn't work out, you send them along their way with good wishes.  I can rationalize that.  Way out into the grey, but I can do it.  Anything other than that, a quick end is better.

     




MsPoetress -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 8:01:43 PM)

Well, I know that in my area, you can call animal control, and tell them a stray is in your area, they come and pick it up. FOR FREE.

They determine if it needs to be put down or adopted out.

As awful as one might think, I believe that is humane. Letting it defend for itself in the heat or against other animals, is not.




kdsub -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 8:16:49 PM)

Maybe Irishknight rather than a coward he is just making a well meaning mistake...Hell if I were a dog I would want to be free and take my chances rather then be killed because I was too old too ugly or too mean looking.

I think he is wrong in his thinking but not evil for thinking it...I can understand his way of thinking anyway.

Butch




came4U -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 8:31:51 PM)

I have posted before that my back door is always open (chain on) because it gets to be 40 below and the occasional cat comes in here to eat n sleep.  I have two cats, the rest treat the place like a hotel then leave.

One preggo cat comes in, naps, eats, then she is off to the lady 3 houses away where that cat lives.  I don't mind at all her coming in....maybe her mama went out for the day and she gets a lil cold.

1. But, if a stray appears daily for a continued amount of time...it has adopted me and therefore I am responsible for it.

2. Pets are bred to be domesticated animals.  Most pet species are ill-equipped to be out in the wild (give or take the occasional rough n tumble cat and hunting dog). 

3. If you cannot handle one, two or seven pets....do not allow them to eat/sleep on your property (even once) as a habit forming ritual.  Call the ASPCA immed and therefore you are not responsible for the cost.  Once you take them in, you are responsible and shouldn't bitch about the price. 

*ps.   My older male is rarely home, I think he is cheating on me with another cat-mama [:(].  He comes home for about 10 hours every 3rd day.  He has ripped a coon to shreds so I don't worry about him, I do though worry about someone stealing him and dumping him elsewhere as the OP suggests.  If he weren't so wild and disliking of litter boxes, I would keep him inside 24/7.  But, he is a happy, free cat and I respect his need to not want to be a housebound animal.  









littlewonder -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 8:56:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY
To be fair, the first time I visited Firm's home in the country, I was floored by the number of dogs there.  There were at least 12 at the time, and I believe Firm had mentioned having just gotten rid of several.  Every single one of them a stray that had showed up and made themselves at home. 


I think you missed my point. It started with the first dog or two that he couldn't bear to have neutered/spayed and then he let it loose in a field somewhere and from there on in it was a snowball effect.

He's now paying the price for doing so. They and their litters have found their way back and other dogs that have been dropped off know his place is now "doggie central" because the other dogs have marked the territory.

Unfortunately now he's stuck for his past mistakes.







FirmhandKY -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 9:33:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY
To be fair, the first time I visited Firm's home in the country, I was floored by the number of dogs there.  There were at least 12 at the time, and I believe Firm had mentioned having just gotten rid of several.  Every single one of them a stray that had showed up and made themselves at home. 


I think you missed my point. It started with the first dog or two that he couldn't bear to have neutered/spayed and then he let it loose in a field somewhere and from there on in it was a snowball effect.

He's now paying the price for doing so. They and their litters have found their way back and other dogs that have been dropped off know his place is now "doggie central" because the other dogs have marked the territory.

Unfortunately now he's stuck for his past mistakes.






No offense little wonder, but you really have no idea what you are talking about.  And you give way too much credit to karma.

In fact, with the animal bank branch of karma, I suspect I'm way ahead of most everyone here who has posted to condemn me (except maybe the big E).

Best wishes.

Firm




FirmhandKY -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 9:40:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsPoetress

Well, I know that in my area, you can call animal control, and tell them a stray is in your area, they come and pick it up. FOR FREE.

They determine if it needs to be put down or adopted out.

As awful as one might think, I believe that is humane. Letting it defend for itself in the heat or against other animals, is not.


Gee.

I guess I did the wrong thing.  I should have rented a livestock hauling trailer, piled up a bunch of dog food and water, and driven out to California to give the animals to one of them thar FREE animal shelters.

Probably only have to take a week or two off from work, and away from family every time.

Hell, me and mine are just people.  Who cares if we suffer?

/sarcasm

Do some of you people even bother to ... well ... you know .... actually read the posts that I write?

Firm




HalfShyHalfWild -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 9:43:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


I know I'm going to take some heat for this .... but what the hell.  [:D]

I like animals.  Perhaps even more importantly, I respect animals, especially the pets that we humans have adopted and adapted throughout our history.

Dogs are pack animals whose social instincts have allowed them to be adopted into the human cultural mix, and who we often value as much or more than our relations with other humans.  As well, we often identify with them as if they are human.

How many men have a problem with neutering a strong, "masculine" dog of theirs?  Yeah, I know, rationally it's often the right thing to do, but I dare say that few men who love their dog don't have at least a tinge in their nether regions when they contemplate the action, and the effects on the life of their beloved pet.

This thread is about my particular mindset and (perhaps irrational) belief of how to handle "excess" animals when the time comes reduce your relationship with a pet, or at least a pet dog.

For most of my later life I've lived in a rural setting. 

Up until a couple of years ago, I lived in a house in farming country, in which my nearest neighbor was at least 1/4 mile away, and the nearest store at least 6 miles away.  Lots of fields of grain, deer crossing the roads, and late snow removal.

It was also a place in which many pet dogs would find as the end of the road from their previous owners.

In the approximate 15 years that I lived in that house, there were times in which my family had in excess of 20 dogs.  Generally, we had at the very least 6 or 7.  Over the years, I suspect that we had a total of several hundred individual dogs that I supported, and a sum total of 3 that I actually had sought out for ownership, or purchased.

The costs to feed them, the costs to get them the medical care that they needed, and the cost to house and otherwise care for them was not insufficient.

We never had a problem with uninvited human guest, however.  [:D]

Unfortunately, from time to time we had to "thin the pack".  If a dog was sick beyond care, we'd take them to the vet to be put down.  If they were dangerous, or could not be trained to respect the physical integrity of the children, they were put down locally (usually with a 9 mm).  Some wondered off, never to be seen again.  Some found other homes.

But sometimes the sheer numbers demanded a thinning greater than any of the reasons above could provide.

What to do? 

Occasionally I would take an otherwise healthy animal and take them far enough away so that they couldn't find their way back and drop them off.

My reasoning is that those particular animals had done nothing to deserve the death penalty.  If they were a danger to me, mine or the public, I assumed my responsibility and dealt with them appropriately.

If I had sought them out for ownership, then again, they were totally my responsibility, and I would find them a new owner, have them put down by the vet, or kept them until death.

Occasionally my SO at the time would call the local dog catcher who charged $20 per visit and $20 per animals, to come and take them away where they would go to the local "shelter" for two weeks and then be euthanasized.

But most of the time the dogs were harmless, prior pets, lovable in their own right, and I respected them enough not to put them to death. If I could find no one to accept responsibility for them, I'd "drop them off".

Some (many, I dare say) see this as being somehow "cruel".  I disagree, and believe it is cruel and unfeeling to simply condemn an otherwise healthy and lovable animals to extinction without chance of reprieve.  By taking them out, and leaving them to chance and the kindness of strangers I believe that I at least gave them a chance at life, and a chance at happiness, even if the occasional cost was struggle and death.

That's all I've asked for in my life: a chance.  I see extending the same possibility to these animals as the moral and respectful thing to do.

What are your thoughts?

Firm



Have to say, my first reaction to reading was outrage. But then again, I don't have this problem to deal with, have seen it in the past in other places I've lived at though. I absolutely do not ever want to be in the position you are in now, and think the fact you try to help all these animals speaks volumes on why you'd rather give them a fighting chance rather than outright kill them.




heartcream -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 9:43:49 PM)

Oh my god this is psycho, dropping a dog off, oh my god this is hideous and sickening. Some people make me sick.

I wish dogs would regain the use of their thumbs, I feel utterly sick reading this.




Emperor1956 -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 9:46:17 PM)

Vendaval, I knew you were a "shelter person".  I'm sorry that you can only have one animal companion in your life right now, and I hope you may have many more in the future.

E.




FirmhandKY -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 9:56:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


I know I'm going to take some heat for this .... 




        Add a tally mark from me, Firm.  I used to see animals that had been 'taken for a ride' out near my place in the country.  It was a death sentence.  Cars or coyotes or just the desert heat with no water or food.  I'd see them in the morning on my way out to work, hours before the shelter opened.  Maybe again later, now too traumatized and terrified to do anything but cower and run from me.  It made we want to lump a person up, every time I saw it. 

       Ok.  Sometimes you try to help a stranger, and it doesn't work out, you send them along their way with good wishes.  I can rationalize that.  Way out into the grey, but I can do it.  Anything other than that, a quick end is better.
 


No offense taken Heretic.  I was well aware that most of the posters would attempt to crucify me in absentia.

You give your position, with your reasoning and I respect that.

But you (and many other posters) also make some assumptions i.e. that I have ever left an animal that I thought was weak, injured or incapable of living outside, even if not a "born hunter".

Or that I didn't believe in neutering or spaying (little wonder).

Or that they were left in such a hostile environment or weather, far from any human habitation that it was unlikely that they would be able to find another possible home.

Believe it or not, all those factors were taken to account.

The bottom line was, that occasionally, I simply did not have the funds, time or ability to take responsibility for everyone else's animals.  I made (I believe) a yeoman effort, but for an animal already dropped off on my road, when I did not have the ability to take it in, I simply moved it to another location for it to have a chance at it destiny.

I understand that many of the posters see it as something else.

I suspect that most of them have never had to make the hard choices.  It's might easy to sit and pontificate about the morality of my treatment of some animals, when they do not have to face the same issues on a daily basis, with the animals at your door.

Firm




FirmhandKY -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 10:01:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Irishknight

Firm, we often agree, more often than not even.  On this I have to call you dead wrong.  Dumping an animal off on a lonely road is cowardly and most likely condemns them to suffering and starvation.  Then they turn up at someone's doorstep like mine and are too weak to continue or are so hungry that they attack food animals and livestock.  A bullet in the head is often far more humane than anything else we can do.  Its a guaranty that an animals caught chasing livestock is a dead one.  Why make him suffer along that path.



Understood, although I take exception to the characterization of "cowardly".

I'm well aware of the issues you raise.

Firm




FirmhandKY -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 10:06:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HalfShyHalfWild

Have to say, my first reaction to reading was outrage. But then again, I don't have this problem to deal with, have seen it in the past in other places I've lived at though. I absolutely do not ever want to be in the position you are in now, and think the fact you try to help all these animals speaks volumes on why you'd rather give them a fighting chance rather than outright kill them.



Thank you.

Firm




FirmhandKY -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 10:07:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: heartcream

Oh my god this is psycho, dropping a dog off, oh my god this is hideous and sickening. Some people make me sick.

I wish dogs would regain the use of their thumbs, I feel utterly sick reading this.


Then go grab the ring around the porcelain goddess and have a good puke.

Firm




TheHeretic -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 10:09:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

No offense taken Heretic. 




      Like I worry about that... [;)]


      I can also assure you that MsPoe did read and understand your post.  She just vehemently disagrees.  The reply she directed to you was a lot calmer, than what I heard to begin with.

     




FirmhandKY -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 10:17:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

No offense taken Heretic. 




    Like I worry about that... [;)]


    I can also assure you that MsPoe did read and understand your post.  She just vehemently disagrees.  The reply she directed to you was a lot calmer, than what I heard to begin with.
  


Oops.  Sorry if I offended in that post.  I didn't do a very good job of "funny" I guess.

My apologies.  My response to her post was really just a stand in for many of the other short, visceral posters.

Firm




OrionTheWolf -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 10:21:28 PM)

They use carbon monoxide poison gas chamber to kill the animals.


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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan

Orion, would you kindly explain the 'lawn mower engine attached to it' comment regarding the block cement doghouse?




dcnovice -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/21/2009 10:22:03 PM)

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I've killed people for a living.


You don't take requests, do you? [:)]




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