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Tavane -> RE: Men in Panties (2/22/2009 1:24:32 PM)
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To suggest that TG people are anything like females is not suppored by any evidence of logic. Females are born with female brains, and grow up from day one being treated like females, encouraged to be females, and don't even think about what it means to be a female, conceptually. They just take it for granted. They don't care about being feminine, as something which gives them erotic pleasure. They do it because they learn it as their natural role, and to meet social expectations, and to attract males. They don't wear dresses and makeup at home, or high heels, if they are alone. They are similar to males as to how they approach their gender. Males don't get pleasure from being masculine, except as they are perceived by others, or as it enables them to perform athletic or other tasks. We just take it for granted.
TG people do it for erotic and emotional pleasure. Nothing else could motivate a person to engage in such a strange and socially disapproved behavior, just as nothing else could motivate a male to be a slave of a female.
It's easy to understand TG people, however they define themselves. They get incredible and consistent eriotic and emotional pleasure from being feminine. If a guy just wants to wear panties, he's not a TG person. He may have a panty fetish, or may enjoy the humiliation and role reversal aspect of being forced to wear panties, or other feminine stuff, but a TG person isn't going to be satisfied with that.
I don't think there is any difference between a "TV" and a "TS", in terms of desires. Merely a difference in behaviors, depending on other aspects of his life and enviornment. A "TV" who looks like a linebacker, and perhaps is a linebacker, with a great wife and kids, and a happy life, won't be interested in defining himself as a "TS". If he was very feminine looking, with no girl friend, and worked at a job which would be receptive to him becoming a female, the same exact brain might define himself as a "TS", and might become a female. Everyone wants to be happy, and it's the perception of what will make that person happiest, all things considered, which determines behaviors and individual identity perception. A husband isfar more reluctant to label himself as TS, because it would freak out his wife. After a divorce, the same person would be much more inclined to label himself a TS.
TS people tend to be at the much more feminine end of the male physical spectrum, since they can actually contemplate living a somewhat normal life as a female in society. For them, the rewards outweigh the problems when it comes to living as the other gender, or becoming the other gender. I've known scores of such people, and talked with them as friends, and observed them, and experienced it myself. Some of it depends on the power of your sexual drive itself. If you don't have a strong sexual drive, you are not going to be that motivated to engage in extreme behaviors. If you have incredly strong sexual appetites, you might engage in very extreme behaviors despite that you are not ever going to pass as a female.
Then we have the reality that once you lose your genitals, you are not going to experience those same waves of erotic pleasure that motivated you to do this in the first place, but you can still experience erotic pleasure. TG people expeirenced erotic pleasure and wanted to be like girls from earliest childhood, but with all of them, this became far more powerful after puberty.
I would like to wear this light blue dress of my mother's, with a sort of scalloped neck, and a flared skirt which was a bit below the knees, that zipped up the back, and would look at myself in the mirror. One day I experienced pleasure such as never before, and suddenly I had wet my pants, so pulled up the dress, and notice this wan't urine. I'd had my first orgasm, just by looking at myself in the mirror wearing that dress. It's my favorite garment in world history, and when she died, I looked everywhere for that dress, since it had meant so much to me, and was linked to my own identity and history, but she must have thrown it away.
To suggest that females are not more erotically submissive than males, generally, is supported by absolutely nothing, not only in humans, but in every species of mammal, except the hyena.
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