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Lockit -> RE: Men in Panties (2/22/2009 1:34:09 PM)

Say what? lol



strangedesire -> RE: Men in Panties (2/22/2009 1:35:34 PM)

Tavane--

I realize that your own connection to femininity is erotically charged, but this hasn't been the case for the vast majority of transgendered people that I've spoken to or read the writings of.  You seem to assume that because you feel a certain way about the interplay of your gender identity and sexuality, every trans-identified person feels the same way, and that's a dangerous assumption to make. 



PeonForHer -> RE: Men in Panties (2/22/2009 1:50:39 PM)

I love the boxer's too... silky black boxer's and a collar... oh yeah! hehe
 
I've found that women can be weirdly . . . I don't know . . . detailed about that sort of thing.  One I spoke to said they just had to be "black, silky and with needling piping down the sides".  I thought, why is the piping important?  And what is 'piping' anyway? 

My feeling is men either concern themselves hugely with underwear (of either sex) or hardly at all.  Me, as long as a pair of (under) pants hold my kit in place, I'm fine.  When they get a bit smelly, a quick spray of deodorant's all that's needed.  I just replace them when they get a bit brittle and start to crack.





Lockit -> RE: Men in Panties (2/22/2009 1:52:34 PM)

LOL... So gross!  Or do I need a translator for that too? hehe



Prinsexx -> RE: Men in Panties (2/22/2009 1:59:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stella41b


Is it really all that difficult to understand?


Yes to be honest it was difficult to understand until I had friends who were transgendering/transgendered/transexual  who came into my life and family. And until I overcame my own insecirities ar making friends with 'them.' And then something remarkable happened: I began to understand that there was a natural affinity and a natural empathy and indeed understanding that crosses boundaries and that understanding ensues from being open about my own fragility with regard to my femininity.
I rarely discuss my relationship with my alcoholic mother for whom I never could be right. Now I sometimes discuss my years of anorexia. I also sometimes discuss my years of drug addiction. I usually discuss my years if promiscuity. And often discuss my years of bdsm experience. What engages others' attention is my amswer to the question of not how I know I am a woman but how I know I am submissive.
All of these years actually evolve around one common theme: and that is my struggles with being and becoming a woman. You see it's not so easy after all even though my brain tells me I am a woman and I show up in a woman's body and was issued with a vagina. The social levels of conformity and my struggles to get educated and raise a family in a world I don't perticulalrly respect have been overwhelmingly difficult.
I have had to compete at exactly to same level of prowess in the world as any man but have had to prove myself not only equal but more capable than men at times.
But how much more diffivult would that have to habe been if I had had to hace excrutiatingly painful surgery, and foreign hormones anf implants into my body. How much more painful if I had had to grieve and let go of the entirety of the culture of a peior self.
And for those for whom that transfiguration never really works I can only say that the pain of a narcissist world doesn't help.
Internalising the idea that the perfect woman axtually exists is just an illusion. Even as I attempt to stop the idiocy of chasing perfection in a world of binary opposites it still takes me a while each morning to wake without anxiety and just remember that I will get through just being me.
It's not so difficult to understand. And very wearing to be faced with ignorance and prejudice about the whole gender issue.
Well said Stella my friend.
Ed. to add: if was just about wearing pretty panties life would have been so much easier.



Tavane -> RE: Men in Panties (2/22/2009 2:00:35 PM)

Yes, I know they don't want to admit it's an erotic pleasure, mainly because they want to tell the gender clinics what is necessary to get what they want, and gender clinics aren't going to be too receptive to that, and had protocols which protect the clinic, which the TG person must meet, and wild sexual gratification is not one of them, especially when the surgery will destroy lots of that wild sexual pleasure. And the TG people all know what these protocals are, and they convince the clinics and themselves and each other that it's female brains/identities/whatever which is the real reason. Yet all of them have to be reassured that they will experience some erotic pleasure after the surgery.

This is one of the major myths in society, and we have lots of them. People actuallly believe that if you shoot a gun at a person, it will knock that person backwards, since they see it in films constantly, and read about it in fiction, despite that  they've all had high school physics, so know that is impossible. Obviously the shooter would be knocked back just as far, if not farther, under the laws of physics.

We know that erotic pleasure can motivate people to do almost anything. I can't think of anything else which would possibly motivate a person to want to be a slave for the rest of his life.  Nor can I think of anything which would possibly motivate a person to want to change gender. Nothing could possibly be responsible for such behaviors, ecxept erotic/emotional pleasure, and we all know it, and I've talked to many TS people as good friends, and when I asked them "Be honest. After an orgasm, do you have any interest whatsoever in being a female?" The answer was always, "No."

I don't care about these myths. The only important thing is that people find happiness. However, they do make me laugh, and are generated by the social disapproval of sexual "deviations". I don't want to be a sexual deviate. I'd rather be a confused mixed up person with unexplained gender confusion. We can't do that with submission, since there is no such concept as submission confusion. We know it's purely erotic, and that's fine with us. It should be fine with TG people, but they don't like it, and I really don't care.

I was different when I went to a gender clinic. I never had much use for myths, and told the psychologist that I didn't believe the desire was anything other than incredible erotic pleasure, and that it turned me on like a million watt light bulb to be feminine, and I wanted to try it. We'd argue about it, but her arguments weren't very logical. They had their protocols, and they made money, and made people happy, so it was in her interest to continue with them, which they had to do to protect themselves; but we both knew that all TS people know other TS people who convinced clinics to accept them, and so knew exactly what to say, so it was all a bunch of nonsense based upon self-interest and incredible desire.

She didn't mind that it was a purely erotic thing for me, and I frankly think she believed it was for almost everyone, despite her contentions. I looked so much like a female that she clearly thought I'd have a better life as a female, and I'd  be one of their star creations. She'd actually encourage me, if I started to get reluctant. It made me laugh.



Prinsexx -> RE: Men in Panties (2/22/2009 2:22:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tavane

Yes, I know they don't want to admit it's an erotic pleasure, mainly because they want to tell the gender clinics what is necessary to get what they want, and gender clinics aren't going to be too receptive to that, and had protocols which protect the clinic, which the TG person must meet, and wild sexual gratification is not one of them, especially when the surgery will destroy lots of that wild sexual pleasure. And the TG people all know what these protocals are, and they convince the clinics and themselves and each other that it's female brains/identities/whatever which is the real reason. Yet all of them have to be reassured that they will experience some erotic pleasure after the surgery.

This is one of the major myths in society, and we have lots of them. People actuallly believe that if you shoot a gun at a person, it will knock that person backwards, since they see it in films constantly, and read about it in fiction, despite that  they've all had high school physics, so know that is impossible. Obviously the shooter would be knocked back just as far, if not farther, under the laws of physics.

We know that erotic pleasure can motivate people to do almost anything. I can't think of anything else which would possibly motivate a person to want to be a slave for the rest of his life.  Nor can I think of anything which would possibly motivate a person to want to change gender. Nothing could possibly be responsible for such behaviors, ecxept erotic/emotional pleasure, and we all know it, and I've talked to many TS people as good friends, and when I asked them "Be honest. After an orgasm, do you have any interest whatsoever in being a female?" The answer was always, "No."

I don't care about these myths. The only important thing is that people find happiness. However, they do make me laugh, and are generated by the social disapproval of sexual "deviations". I don't want to be a sexual deviate. I'd rather be a confused mixed up person with unexplained gender confusion. We can't do that with submission, since there is no such concept as submission confusion. We know it's purely erotic, and that's fine with us. It should be fine with TG people, but they don't like it, and I really don't care.

I was different when I went to a gender clinic. I never had much use for myths, and told the psychologist that I didn't believe the desire was anything other than incredible erotic pleasure, and that it turned me on like a million watt light bulb to be feminine, and I wanted to try it. We'd argue about it, but her arguments weren't very logical. They had their protocols, and they made money, and made people happy, so it was in her interest to continue with them, which they had to do to protect themselves; but we both knew that all TS people know other TS people who convinced clinics to accept them, and so knew exactly what to say, so it was all a bunch of nonsense based upon self-interest and incredible desire.

She didn't mind that it was a purely erotic thing for me, and I frankly think she believed it was for almost everyone, despite her contentions. I looked so much like a female that she clearly thought I'd have a better life as a female, and I'd  be one of their star creations. She'd actually encourage me, if I started to get reluctant. It made me laugh.


Tavane: I really don't understand what you are saying or trying to say.
If my womanhood were simply about an erotic charge then I would have had an entirely pleasurable rout to adulthood.
I also do not think that just because you are transgendered that it hives you the right to speak out on behalf of everyone else who has or is foing through the process.
(When Narcissus looked into the lake all he could see was himself. And despite the call of someone who loved him he could not turn away from an obsession with the vision of himself... until he looked so closely that all he knew that had been real about himself rippled out into the circles of an illusion and the voice of love was like an empty echo, echo echo..... )



CatdeMedici -> RE: Men in Panties (2/22/2009 3:03:21 PM)

quote:

I've found that women can be weirdly . . . I don't know . . . detailed about that sort of thing.  One I spoke to said they just had to be "black, silky and with needling piping down the sides".  I thought, why is the piping important? 


Because its sexy and because to have them means you followed instructions correctly.
 
quote:

And what is 'piping' anyway? 


A single line of ribbing that enhances the seam.


edited for typo thinking of getting chezz some black...



stella41b -> RE: Men in Panties (2/22/2009 3:52:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Tavane

Yes, I know they don't want to admit it's an erotic pleasure, mainly because they want to tell the gender clinics what is necessary to get what they want, and gender clinics aren't going to be too receptive to that, and had protocols which protect the clinic, which the TG person must meet, and wild sexual gratification is not one of them, especially when the surgery will destroy lots of that wild sexual pleasure. And the TG people all know what these protocals are, and they convince the clinics and themselves and each other that it's female brains/identities/whatever which is the real reason. Yet all of them have to be reassured that they will experience some erotic pleasure after the surgery.

This is one of the major myths in society, and we have lots of them. People actuallly believe that if you shoot a gun at a person, it will knock that person backwards, since they see it in films constantly, and read about it in fiction, despite that  they've all had high school physics, so know that is impossible. Obviously the shooter would be knocked back just as far, if not farther, under the laws of physics.

We know that erotic pleasure can motivate people to do almost anything. I can't think of anything else which would possibly motivate a person to want to be a slave for the rest of his life.  Nor can I think of anything which would possibly motivate a person to want to change gender. Nothing could possibly be responsible for such behaviors, ecxept erotic/emotional pleasure, and we all know it, and I've talked to many TS people as good friends, and when I asked them "Be honest. After an orgasm, do you have any interest whatsoever in being a female?" The answer was always, "No."

I don't care about these myths. The only important thing is that people find happiness. However, they do make me laugh, and are generated by the social disapproval of sexual "deviations". I don't want to be a sexual deviate. I'd rather be a confused mixed up person with unexplained gender confusion. We can't do that with submission, since there is no such concept as submission confusion. We know it's purely erotic, and that's fine with us. It should be fine with TG people, but they don't like it, and I really don't care.

I was different when I went to a gender clinic. I never had much use for myths, and told the psychologist that I didn't believe the desire was anything other than incredible erotic pleasure, and that it turned me on like a million watt light bulb to be feminine, and I wanted to try it. We'd argue about it, but her arguments weren't very logical. They had their protocols, and they made money, and made people happy, so it was in her interest to continue with them, which they had to do to protect themselves; but we both knew that all TS people know other TS people who convinced clinics to accept them, and so knew exactly what to say, so it was all a bunch of nonsense based upon self-interest and incredible desire.

She didn't mind that it was a purely erotic thing for me, and I frankly think she believed it was for almost everyone, despite her contentions. I looked so much like a female that she clearly thought I'd have a better life as a female, and I'd  be one of their star creations. She'd actually encourage me, if I started to get reluctant. It made me laugh.



This crock of bullshit is just an example of the sort of closed-minded prejudices spread about about the transgendered which influences the way people think, making it much harder for them to gain social acceptance and to progress forward in their transition.

I've spent over 10 years working in activist organizations within the LGBT community both here in the UK and in Poland, with a particular focus on the transgendered - everyone from the panty-wearer males to those going through gender reassignment - and wish to point out that this is one more example of the puerile, slanderous claptrap spread about by those who have failed to get through the gender reassignment program, but take it upon themselves to speak with the authority one has when they are seriously deluded to come out with half-baked theories and nonsensical notions about gender reassignment and the transgendered in general. Of course they don't have the problems, everybody else does and they're not the ones who are deluded, everybody else is.

There is no evidence to back up his claims, not even one photograph on his profile to support his claim that he looks so feminine you cannot believe he's not a woman, but it's too late because he, and hundreds others like him, sit on message boards such as here on Collarme, where they have an audience of thousands of people who not only do not have the information but also do not know where to look to find such information, and they post, and this is where the damage is done. People read such postings and such garbage and they form their opinions and prejudices on such garbage, verified only by the fact that he was once on a gender reassignment program and dire voir accounts of conversations with psychologists and also second hand accounts of friends, and the damage is done. People log out of the computer and the effects of ill-formed opinions and half-truths go out to form yet even more prejudices and illusions out in wider society.

And this is where I feel I must take a stand. I am on the gender reassignment program at London's Charing Cross Hospital under the care of Dr James Barrett, a recognised psychiatrist and gender specialist who can be googled, I am also working with St Mungo's, the NHS and the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea to run a focus group for the LGBT community and anyone who so wishes can contact me for information which I will supply to verify that this is the truth. I have witnessed many successful transitions and know dozens of transgendered females in the UK and Poland who have successfully completed the gender reassignment process, and am able to supply verifiable, logical, factual information to support all the claims that I make on these boards.

I cannot speak for them, for each and every transgendered individual has their own story and their own experiences and nobody better can relate to you their experiences and feelings better than they themselves. However I will make it a point of standing up here and speaking up on behalf of these people and doing whatever I can to make any aspect of their transition easier.

I am not here to win any arguments. There are no arguments to win, for gender is an intrinsic part of who we are as a person, it has nothing to do with whether we are submissive, dominant or whatever, it has got nothing to do with our sexual orientations, it has got nothing to do with fetish, kink, and that gender we are and or who we feel - and in many cases know - ourselves to be is beyond any sort of discussion.

I have nothing against Tavane, nothing at all, I haven't had contact with him personally, this is not a vendetta and not to be seen as such by any means, but I feel it prudent to point out the misinformation, the illusions and half-truths purely and simply to promote understanding, knowledge, acceptance and to work against prejudice, discrimination and falsehoods.

There are other websites which provide proper factual information about the transgendered for those who are seeking such information, sites such as Press For Change, a UK charity organization, in the United States there are organizations such as the GGA or Gulf Gender Alliance and the MS Rainbow Alliance with whom I collaborated briefly in 2007 which is an LGBT organization which also has infromation about those who are transgendered.

The claim that TG people are doing this for sexual, kinky or erotic reasons is a preposterous one which isn't always necessarily true, and yet this remains one of the biggest issues of prejudice working against those for who are not motivated by such desires, but who are doing what they are doing simply to be themselves. Gender dysphoria, or gender dysmorphia as it is also described is a serious mental condition which manifests itself in a diverse number of ways, not always linked to sex, eroticism or kink, and is something which requires painstaking attention and a lot of understanding based on the characteristics and nature of each individual case.

And it is the sweeping statements and blanket generalizations such as quoted above which can do the most damage.



Tavane -> RE: Men in Panties (2/22/2009 3:56:04 PM)

Prinsexx: You are making my point. A female doesn't have any erotic pleasure from being a female, nor does a male have any erotic pleasure from being a male. Thus, it's nonsensical to say that a TG person has anything remotely like a "female brain". If females had the same pleasures from being feminine that TGs do, they'd never get out of first grade, since they'd just sit around and enjoy being so feminine, and wouldn't be able to concentrate on anything.

I'm not claiming all TG people are like me. They will vary infinitely. However, the idea that anything except the irresistible power of erotic pleasure could possibly motivate a person to do something so traumatic, in the face of such social disapproval, makes no sense whatever. What else could it be? There aren't that many powerful desires. Hunger, thirst, physical comfort, survival, and sexual desire. All other desires are subordinate to these. It's great to have freedom, but I'd rather be a comfortable, well-fed slave than a starving, cold, thirsty miserable free person, if I had to choose what to be for the rest of my life, even if I wasn't submissive.  History is full of slaves who had really nice lives, compared to  many free people.  Many of them became rich, if they were slaves to powerful people.

What is it, that could possibly motivate a person to change gender? Both genders are treated well. Both seem to have happy lives. Until the past 60 years or so, by any rational standard, most women should have wanted to be men, but almost none of them did. What is so great about being female, and wearing dresses and makeup and pantyhose? Most women in fact dress like men do, much of the time. They took all of our good stuff for themselves, since it was rational to do so.

There is no rational or logical reason in the world for a person to change his/her gender. None. So that leaves us with non-rational reasons. These are limited to emotional and erotic reasons. Emotional pleasures make us happy. Happiness is great, but it's a transitory thing. We can be happy one day, and unhappy the next, depending on what happens, and happiness doesn't cause us to engage in incredibly strange and traumatic behaviors, and also happiness has a rational basis, since from experience, we know what makes us happy, and what doesn't. We may fall in love and be very happy, but if the woman dumps us and moves to Argentina, we aren't going to follow her to Argentina and try to force her to love us again. We are going to get over it.

You can't get over TG desires, or submissive desires, because they are erotic and permanent and totally non-rational, and so incredibly powerful that they can motivate you to do almost anything, just as starvation or thirst can motivate you to do almost anything. You don't know why you want to be a female, or submissive. Your life won't change, except that you have to sit down to urinate, and can have sex with males, and can't have intercourse with females, and can have a wider selection of clothing to wear, even though many females who love being females wear pants almost all of the time, so I fail to see the attraction, except for a non-rational erotic pleasure which is just astonishing. Nothing else can possibly explain it, and immediately after an orgasm, that desire disappears temporarily, just as submissive desire does.

If TG people exist whose desire to be female is just as overpowering immediately after an orgasm, then they are different, but frankly I don't believe many such people exist, just as I don't believe that any submissive males exist whose submissive desires are just as powerful right after an orgasm.

I've talked to scores of TG people, and am one myself. My desires and behaviors are very similar to theirs. There is no reason to believe that my desires are different than theirs. The only difference was that I looked so much more like a female.

I've also known many "TVs" who admitted that they were "TS's" when their wives weren't around, as a matter of desire, and who would tell her how straight they were, but then I'd see them passionately kissing some guy on a dance floor.

I'm not sexually straight or gay. I'm a TG. I'll get excited whenever anyone treats me like a female, whether it's a man or a woman. I only have emotional attraction to females, and they are built for the best sex, but if I had my eyes closed, and didn't know the gender of the person who was touching me, I'd get equally aroused, whether it was a male or a female. I was uncomfortable when men would try to pick me up or touch me, since I'm not emotionally attracted to men, and didn't like the idea of the whole thing, nor have I ever felt attracted to a male, but I'm sure I could find pleasure having sex itself with a male. Sex is always pleasurable. It happened quite a bit to me in gay bars, since many gay guys seemed to be attracted to me, even though I looked totally like a female. Once they realized I was a male, I attracted lots of them, and a few of my TG friends who claimed they were straight would sometimes touch me, or even come up behind me and put their arms around me and their hands on my chest, and try to hold me.

These are just my honest thoughts, and I don't care what people tell other people or clinics. They should tell them whatever is necessary to achieve what will make them happy, and tell each other and themselves whatever is necessary to make themselves comfortable with themselves and each other.



PeonForHer -> RE: Men in Panties (2/22/2009 3:59:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

quote:

I've found that women can be weirdly . . . I don't know . . . detailed about that sort of thing.  One I spoke to said they just had to be "black, silky and with needling piping down the sides".  I thought, why is the piping important? 


Because its sexy and because to have them means you followed instructions correctly.
 
quote:

And what is 'piping' anyway? 


A single line of ribbing that enhances the seam.


edited for typo thinking of getting chezz some black...


So many posts that women make here make me laugh and turn me on at the same time.  That was one of them.  [:D]



hardbodysub -> RE: Men in Panties (2/22/2009 4:08:06 PM)

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People actuallly believe that if you shoot a gun at a person, it will knock that person backwards, since they see it in films constantly, and read about it in fiction, despite that  they've all had high school physics, so know that is impossible. Obviously the shooter would be knocked back just as far, if not farther, under the laws of physics.


I'm not disputing any of your opinions (haven't even read most of them), but I wish you wouldn't try to use physics in your example. Have you ever fired a .30-06, or a 12-gauge shotgun? If you're not properly braced, you could easily be knocked backwards. You appear to be invoking Newton's Third Law of Motion, but that law does not support your claim that it's "impossible" for a gunshot to knock the victim backwards. All it says is that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Whether the momentum of the projectile applies enough force to the target to knock the victim backward depends on a lot of things, including the weight of the victim; how the victim was balanced when struck; whether the projectile exerts all its kinetic energy on the target by lodging in the body or passes through, retaining much of its energy.

Does Hollywood exaggerate? Of course. Does a typical gunshot victim get thrown into the air? Of course not. But is it possible for a person to be knocked backward by a gunshot blast? Yes.



Tavane -> RE: Men in Panties (2/22/2009 4:54:04 PM)

I've fired almost any standard weapon you can think of, and with any of them, all you feel is a bit of recoil; and if the rifle is heavy, you don't even feel much of that. Watch skeet/trap shooters firing 12 gauges in competition, including women. Just a slight bump to their shoulder. Firing a 30-06 in the prone position with just a t-shirt can be painful for a small slender person like me, but it's not bad standing. However, it doesn't knock you over, or backwards. It just bangs your shoulder. If you were standing balanced on a thin piece of metal, it would be enough to tip you over, but that's it.

Anyone who has hunted knows this. I've shot rabbits with a shotgun from six feet, and it didn't knock them backwards much. When ducks are shot, they don't rise into the air. There is such a small mass in a bullet that there isn't much horizonal force. There is incredible energy. When a bullet hits you at nearly 3000 feet per second, it will really shock your system beyond belief, but the horizontal force is negligible. Less than the recoil you feel from shooting a rifle, since only at the muzzle does the targed experience the same forces as the shooter. Over distance, that dissipates, and also some bullets will go right through a person, if they are FMJ (full metal jacket) and don't hit bone. Only FMJ bullets are permissible in war, so the manufacturers designed them so they'd tumble and break up inside the body, to cause immense cavitation.

I've seen many people hit with multiple machine gun rounds. These are powerful cartridges, 7.62 mm, about the same ballistics as a 30-06, which is a round which it's legal to hunt grizzly bears with. When you hit sombody with a machine gun, you hit them with several bullets. Machine guns put out about 10 rounds per second, so if you are on the target for 1/2 second, you've put five of these very powerful rounds into him. You have tracers, every fifth round, and once you walk the tracers to the target, you can put several rounds into him, and want to do that, to make sure you kill him. They don't get knocked back an inch. They just fall like instant rag dolls. If they are leaning forward a bit, they will not likely fall backwards, but mainly they just fall. If you've ever seen somebody pass out, it's like that. Passing out is dangerous, since you are instantly unconscious, and don't protect your head or face or anything, which just falls 5 or 6 feet. The military was the first time I ever saw it, and it's almost exactly like a person who has been shot by a powerful rifle (which is far more powerful than any handgun).

In gunships, the machine guns were on bunji cords, so both doorgunners could fire out the same door. I can't possibly imagine how many tens of thousands of rounds I fired with the M-60 machine gun, absorbing all that recoil on my shoulder, 10 hits a second, with almost no horizonal force knocking me backwards. You just need to learn forward. The weight of an M-60 absorbs much of the recoil, yet it only weighs 23 pounds.

With the M-16, the drill sergeants demonstrated the recoil by shoving it into a soldier's groin and pulling the trigger on full automatic. That rifle has almost no recoil, even on full auto, and that it only weighed less than 7 pounds. They are heavier now, but ours were really light. It can cause incredible damage to a man, tumbling and breaking up inside the body, and tearing into organs and tissue, with lots of energy, but absolutely no horizontal force. Over 100 yards, the velocity of the bullet drops enough that the bullet doesn't tumble and break up, but in Vietnam, most targets were closer than 100 yards. It was jungle fighting. In Iraq and Afhanistan, that's not the case, and some soldiers would prefer an M-14, which shoots the 7.62, but that rifle is uncontrollable on full automatic, which is why the M-16 was created.

This whole knocking people backward stuff is utter and total nonsense. As a matter of physics. As a matter of watching people shoot even very powerful rifles and shotguns in competition. As a matter of hunting. And as a matter of reality, since I've seen many people shot with powerful rifles, including multiple machine gun rounds, and the just fall like rag dolls, period.



ShiftedJewel -> RE: Men in Panties (2/22/2009 4:56:33 PM)

Sitting here reading this I remembered a submissive male I spoke to... wow... well over a year ago? Anyway, I saw that he had crossdressing listed in the "curious" catagory. I asked him HOW curious he was. He told me that in all honesty he wasn't in the slightest bit interested but put it down because so many dominant females he had spoken to seemed to want that in a submissive male. So yeah, there are at least a few that do it because that's what they think they are supposed to do.
 
I won't say there isn't a large number that do it because they enjoy it, but I do know from experience that there are some under that mistaken impression.
 
Jewel
 
And before you tell me he was only saying what he thought I wanted to hear... that was long before I had anything at all about crossdressing in my profile.



Tavane -> RE: Men in Panties (2/22/2009 5:39:05 PM)

It's why you'll never in your life see a movie which shows what actually happens when a person gets shot, since no actor can possibly fall like a rag doll. It's too dangerous, and no human can voluntarily hurt himself like that. Our sense of self-preservation won't  ever permit it. You never see lots of what war is like, because they use blanks. Tracers are everything when it comes to machine guns. They are beautiful to watch, unless they are coming up at  you. They are the only way to kill people. The helicopter is moving. The target is moving. You need to put out fire and walk the tracers to the target. Mini-guns are incredible to watch. These fire 6000 rpm, or 100 rounds ever second. Every fifth round is a tracer, so it's just a line of pure fire going down at the targets. You can't see that in a film, unless they used real ammunition, but since there are always life people as the enemy, in a film, they can't do that. I wish they'd do it at least once, firing at a vehicle with dummies in it, so people could see how astonishing it is. We had one of those on each side of a gunship, and one of the pilots would fire them, and also the rockets we had on rocket launchers, one pod to a side. Nothing compares to war for visual and audio thrills, though you do lose some hearing in a war, no matter how  you try to protect  your hearing. Again, films can't possibly capture the incredible volume of the sound of these weapons. It would deafen the audience. We see films where people fire handguns in close inside quarters. That will deafen you. Anyone who goes to a range and fires a great deal needs headphones, and it will harm your ears to fire a powerful handgun at an indoor range. In war, you just do lots of shooting without any protection for your hearing, and  you lose some. 



hardbodysub -> RE: Men in Panties (2/22/2009 6:20:42 PM)

I have been around guns much of my life, and hunted for a long time. I have seen inexperienced people almost knocked down from the recoil of a shotgun or rifle, even if you haven't. If you're small, or not balanced, it can happen. Most of your cited examples are about weapons that are designed to minimize recoil, and full-grown men wielding them. That's not true of all weapons.

Of course the vast majority of people hit with a bullet won't be knocked backward, at least not noticeably. But it's not impossible that they could be if the circumstances are right.



Lockit -> RE: Men in Panties (2/22/2009 6:28:15 PM)

How is it that threads about panties... or submission/service submissive's turn into war and gun's?  Relating war and guns to bdsm or kink just doesn't seem to fit.



hardbodysub -> RE: Men in Panties (2/22/2009 6:29:20 PM)

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Again, films can't possibly capture the incredible volume of the sound of these weapons.


No debate there. This reminds me of the classic western Shane. It's said that director George Stevens went to great lengths to magnify the sound of the gunshots, to force the audience to comprehend the violence, and to provide a contrast to the soft-talking, mild-mannered leading man. The first thing the sound engineers did was "fix" the out-of-balance soundtrack by equalizing it.



hardbodysub -> RE: Men in Panties (2/22/2009 6:31:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lockit

How is it that threads about panties... or submission/service submissive's turn into war and gun's?  Relating war and guns to bdsm or kink just doesn't seem to fit.


Women's panties always have a devastating effect on me.



OneMoreWaste -> RE: Men in Panties (2/22/2009 6:34:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub
I'm not disputing any of your opinions (haven't even read most of them), but I wish you wouldn't try to use physics in your example. Have you ever fired a .30-06, or a 12-gauge shotgun? If you're not properly braced, you could easily be knocked backwards.


Have you ever watched Mythbusters? [:-]
Seriously.  And yes, I've fired a pistol-grip 12ga one-handed just to see what it was like. The projectiles aren't carrying enough mass, and the energy is dispelled gradually (relatively speaking) as they penetrate flesh rather than transmitting it instantaneously to a single point.

Which is all tangential anyway. It's not crossdresser season yet.



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