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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 7:14:48 AM   
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I think you misunderstand my purpose here. I'm not looking for any particular answer. I'm here for advice on how to approach the situation, what concerns a dominant woman might have that I haven't though of, and if I need to adjust what I expect. I'm basically doing research to find out how to help this go smoothly.
I'm not looking for mental help.

However, you raise an interesting thought about trust. I'm also polyamorous, so I'm quite familiar with the necessity of trust. I am guarded about who I let inside my inner walls, yet there is far more of me outside the walls than in. I am a very open person and I don't have a problem trusting someone with my feelings, when reasonably earned. Vulnerability isn't the issue. Though I have to admit, I kinda feel awkward at the thought of people who know me as dominant seeing me as a submisisve. Not sure what that means, but I'd like to explore it.
I don't see submissives as weak at all, quite the opposite. I want to be strong enough to feel just as comfortable relinquishing control.

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ORIGINAL: MistressAinCT

Then I'm not sure what it is you are asking because I believe some of the suggestions here are valid.  You are or have been into psychotherapy, you practice Meditation, you have discussed this with other female Tops. 

I'm not sure what's left..I think the answer you need is inside you, not what's on this board. 

It could just be a matter of finding the RIGHT Top for you.  Someone you feel so at peace with you feel you can trust her with your submissive soul.  Ah, trust-I think we hit it on the head. 

Seems maybe-MAYBE-you have trust issues.  What will she do with the information?  Are you afraid, perhaps, someone will emotionally blackmail you-that "others" will find out you have this tender, submissive side?  Are you afraid you yourself will discover it?  Do you feel submissives are weak?

Again, its just an observation but I think you are looking here for an answer that just doens't exist anywhere but inside YOU.  Find HER, the One who will earn your trust, and you will probably have the experience you are looking for and embrace it, rather than run from it.

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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 7:56:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

Fast reply:  It's a realistic request and also, I might add, a very common one.  I've been asked to do this by many male dominant friends, although I never thought their motives were as pure as yours seem to be:  there was much more of a personal element to it in those cases.  If you've formed a close friendship with a dominant woman, you can probably ask her about it safely so long as you frame the issue as you have here.


Thank you for the response, I do genuinely appreciate it. Just a couple questions...
What exactly tells you that my motives are more pure?
What aspect of how I framed it here is it that you think best communicates the request? I kinda thought I muddled it up a bit. I understand it's not a rare request, that's why I want to make certain I understand the concerns she might have so that I could address them before I'm dismissed as just another wanna-be sub. I desire to learn to submit but I don't think I will ever be a submissive, if that makes sense. Who knows, maybe the experience will turn me into a switch, but I doubt it. I'm fairly in tune with my self.
I simply think this is an adventure I need to experience...spiritually, intellectually, emotionally....



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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 8:02:56 AM   
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If you already know that you will hate being not in control, then what do you expect the experience to do for you? You will not have any magical epiphany that makes it okay. You're looking for a short cut to learn why you can't deal with just letting go and there isn't any such thing.

Therapy, seriously. Because until you know where these feelings come from, you aren't going to be able to change them. My first thought is early abuse and if that is why, then a session with a pro domme isn't going to do anything except piss you off.

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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 8:04:21 AM   
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How long does it take to build a foundation of trust enough to become vulnerable enough to experience what you are asking for?  It takes a good amount of time to get to those places for the most part.  Especially so when someone is a challenge.  Devotion goes both ways, learning someone goes both ways... it takes time and lot's of it. 

To invest yourself for the good will and generous concept of assisting someone is all well and fine, but most will see it as a lot of hard work and personal investment, for which they will get little return.  Many of us don't wish to put so much into something that will never be more or what we want.  Although you might find someone willing to do this, as you can see in this thread, few would actually get involved.  Because of preconceived idea's from those dominant's that came before you and because we know what it takes to be who we are with certain people.  A lot of time, devotion and work.

I think most of us have run into the man who thinks or claims to need this or that.  If we have given it a chance and in good heart attempt to help a friend out and I know many of us have... most of the time it has simply been a battle of wills as the man has a preconceived idea of how things should go and if things don't go the way he believe's they should.. challenge... sometimes a roaring passive aggressive or a sprint runner.  Why should we take this charitable endevuor on when we can find someone who isn't so frustrating and more likely to become the more, that many of us want?

I see a lot of generous domina's, but we have live's, we have things that we want... we have many who like to benefit from us who have no other motive than what they want or need out of the contact and a few good submissive's that really want what we might want.  Why go for the one that most likely will never fulfill us?

You feel you are different than the other dominant men who come to us... I don't see that.  Maybe a variation or two... but still the bottom line is a man who needs something for himself, that asks for a lot, who will give nothing more than what he currently wishes to give up... all for who's benefit?  So while you may be very sincere... and a nice person, you are motivated by self and although you offer what many do... it isn't often what we want and worth it to us.

If you can manipulate professional's in mental health... if you can turn the card of phrase as you have in different postings here... like stating... if someone came to you with this request you would see it as a challenge... as if you really wanted to do that... and yet becasue we don't... what is the result of that comment?  Well... damn... I would love to do that for someone... why won't you?  You are not the first to use this type of speach... I won't call it more... and believe me it isn't viewed as a simple comparison in most cases.  You sound no different than most, submissive or dominant, who want something and wish to convince us.

So... the bottom line for me is... what about you or this type of situation is something of worth to the dominant?  And what makes your request or needs any different than most the men who contact us?

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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 8:23:24 AM   
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Seriously, I don't need therapy. There is no life disrupting issue here. I think I would simply achieve a deeper comfort and understanding with my self... ...What's the deal with assuming I am freaking out? Did I really  come off that way. If so, my bad. Please understand that's not the case. I'm a generally happy and functional individual. I just want to better my self... I know it's rare. lol

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If you already know that you will hate being not in control, then what do you expect the experience to do for you? You will not have any magical epiphany that makes it okay. You're looking for a short cut to learn why you can't deal with just letting go and there isn't any such thing.

Therapy, seriously. Because until you know where these feelings come from, you aren't going to be able to change them. My first thought is early abuse and if that is why, then a session with a pro domme isn't going to do anything except piss you off.


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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 8:29:04 AM   
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Eleutherios,
Thanks for the response. 
To be honest, I'm not sure if there are many women that would want to be part of an academic experiment.  The idea of a mentor is a good one. I have a male Dom who is my friend and mentor...no sex or play whatsoever, just someone to help me learn and understand and to bounce ideas off.  I can relate to the desire to explore your inner self but I still am uncertain as to how topping/bottoming...in a forced (?) way would help.  I'm still confused as to why you feel you need to be broken.  Exploration is great, getting a better handle on who you are as a person is fantastic but I still am left with "why".

Regardless....good luck and remember to keep an open mind with the responses you'll get here. 

*edited to add...My own views on dominance and submission are fairly open and free-flowing. I don't agree that a person can or should be "forced" to become one or the other, though.  Just my opinion.


I agree that a person should never be forced to submit.

As far as why, I'm not sure I can offer you more than I already  have, besides it's just the experience I want.

The bond I would develop with her would be deep and meaningful, hopefully for both of us. I want to make clear that I'm not looking for a "wham-bam-thank-ya-ma'am" kind of situation. I'm interested in a lasting and loyal friendship and close bond. My submission to her would be temporary, yes but I can't imagine just losing contact with someone like that, not after the having developed a bond like that.



Wonders I, what do kind of contact would you have with this person?  Friends? Lovers? A "BDSM booty call" for when you "need" it?

If you want temporary-and I know this is going to probably get your knickers in a bunch-you can always go Pro.  Believe it or not, some Pros specialize in this sort of thing.  I know, I know-you don't want to have to pay for it, but honestly like most said here, if there is nothing to gain for themselves you are probably Sh** out of luck.

But this also got Me thinking as to why you are asking only the women.  Wouldn't a male who has experienced this sort of thing be more helpful to you?  you are getting the female Domme point of view.  We don't think like men (thank Goddess) and we surely don't know how men think(::sigh::: if only).  We think like Dommes-50%selfish, 50% harsh, 50% bitchy, 100% Dominant.  Not sure we are the ones to ask.

Seems to Me you got more than you need as far as advice is concerned here.  Perhaps a sensual spanking or bondage to start you off? 

Side note: Many who find it difficult to give up their power at first find peace, solace and the freeing effect of bondage.  Maybe tie yourself up ( I know, that's really bizarre!) just to see how you feel about it. 

And I also wonder, if a female came to you with this same request, what would you advise her to do?

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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 8:36:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Eleutherios


As far as why, I'm not sure I can offer you more than I already  have, besides it's just the experience I want.

My submission to her would be temporary, yes but I can't imagine just losing contact with someone like that, not after the having developed a bond like that.



Eleutherios,

I've left only these two statements from your quote to draw your attention to the fact that you did answer my question of "why".  You want the experience...plain and simple.  I would suggest if you choose to pursue this desire that you be completely upfront and honest about your motives from the start.
Wanting to experience something isn't wrong....not by a long shot. Trying to fancy it up with higher reasons is misleading.  I get the impression that you're an intelligent young man...you understand exactly what I'm saying here.

I wish you many happy...and honest...experiences!

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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 8:43:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lockit

<Cut for the sake of brevety>

I see a lot of generous domina's, but we have live's, we have things that we want... we have many who like to benefit from us who have no other motive than what they want or need out of the contact and a few good submissive's that really want what we might want.  Why go for the one that most likely will never fulfill us?

You feel you are different than the other dominant men who come to us... I don't see that.  Maybe a variation or two... but still the bottom line is a man who needs something for himself, that asks for a lot, who will give nothing more than what he currently wishes to give up... all for who's benefit?  So while you may be very sincere... and a nice person, you are motivated by self and although you offer what many do... it isn't often what we want and worth it to us.

So... the bottom line for me is... what about you or this type of situation is something of worth to the dominant?  And what makes your request or needs any different than most the men who contact us?


In My opinion, the above is the meat and the bones of the matter.  It applies here as well as any and all of those areas where we as Dominant women are faced with any proposal where we are, essentially, getting less than we want, need, or deserve.

No matter what the situation where there is an offer that doesn't fulfill us, those who can't live up to what it is that we are looking for, have to understand that there are some who can.  While what the OP proposes might be an entertaining little experiment to some, why would someone who wants to reap the benefits of a more fulfilling D/s dynamic squander their time if this wouldn't meet their needs?  The same can be said about a myriad of subjects for those who aren't offering what someone else can.  Casual sex when a person wants a relationship.  Married folks who can't get why someone is only interested in single people.  Males who insist on serving in feminine attire, when a Domme is only interested in those who dress as male.  These are just a few of the subjects that are current topics on the board right now.  There are plenty of others, just do a little research.


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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 8:48:39 AM   
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Hmm. Well first off, I'd like to to point out that it was never my intention to convince anyone of anything. I asked for advice and feedback, and I've been getting tons (many have been private). And it's all appreciated, even the criticism. But I feel like it is more like a few here are trying to convince me that this isn't what I want or that it is one sided. I find that a bit confusing, honestly. It's unexpected....

What's in it for you? What a facinating question to ask, considering what I'm looking for.
I fully realize the time and energy that goes into training and getting to know someone enough to trust and respect them. This isn't my first rodeo ;). Yet, in my ten years of studying and practicing D/s, I don't think I have ever once asked, as a dominant, what is in it for me when dominating. It's part of who I am and is fantastic by itself. Dominating someone is not a means to an end, that's just not how I personally see it. The experience its self is valuable, not in spite of what you put into it but because of it.
You might think I'm regurgitating pick up lines and rhetoric, I'm suggesting you are hearing echos from your own past encounters and judging my motives based on that.

I want a relationship. A mentorship. A friendship. If you have to ask what you're getting out of that, I can only assume you've misunderstood me some how. If you think you're hearing me correctly, then please, explain to me what it is you expect to get out of it besides mutual compaionship and the chance to share something beautiful?

And due to the wonderful ladies who've contacted me personally in reaction to this thread, I'm quite confidant that not every experience ends badly due to balttling wills, not even the majority. Though, if that has been your experience I don't blame you for holding that view. I'd be willing to believe you may be right, if it were not for the handful of experiences that have been shared with me today.

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

How long does it take to build a foundation of trust enough to become vulnerable enough to experience what you are asking for?  It takes a good amount of time to get to those places for the most part.  Especially so when someone is a challenge.  Devotion goes both ways, learning someone goes both ways... it takes time and lot's of it. 

To invest yourself for the good will and generous concept of assisting someone is all well and fine, but most will see it as a lot of hard work and personal investment, for which they will get little return.  Many of us don't wish to put so much into something that will never be more or what we want.  Although you might find someone willing to do this, as you can see in this thread, few would actually get involved.  Because of preconceived idea's from those dominant's that came before you and because we know what it takes to be who we are with certain people.  A lot of time, devotion and work.

I think most of us have run into the man who thinks or claims to need this or that.  If we have given it a chance and in good heart attempt to help a friend out and I know many of us have... most of the time it has simply been a battle of wills as the man has a preconceived idea of how things should go and if things don't go the way he believe's they should.. challenge... sometimes a roaring passive aggressive or a sprint runner.  Why should we take this charitable endevuor on when we can find someone who isn't so frustrating and more likely to become the more, that many of us want?

I see a lot of generous domina's, but we have live's, we have things that we want... we have many who like to benefit from us who have no other motive than what they want or need out of the contact and a few good submissive's that really want what we might want.  Why go for the one that most likely will never fulfill us?

You feel you are different than the other dominant men who come to us... I don't see that.  Maybe a variation or two... but still the bottom line is a man who needs something for himself, that asks for a lot, who will give nothing more than what he currently wishes to give up... all for who's benefit?  So while you may be very sincere... and a nice person, you are motivated by self and although you offer what many do... it isn't often what we want and worth it to us.

If you can manipulate professional's in mental health... if you can turn the card of phrase as you have in different postings here... like stating... if someone came to you with this request you would see it as a challenge... as if you really wanted to do that... and yet becasue we don't... what is the result of that comment?  Well... damn... I would love to do that for someone... why won't you?  You are not the first to use this type of speach... I won't call it more... and believe me it isn't viewed as a simple comparison in most cases.  You sound no different than most, submissive or dominant, who want something and wish to convince us.

So... the bottom line for me is... what about you or this type of situation is something of worth to the dominant?  And what makes your request or needs any different than most the men who contact us?


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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 8:58:14 AM   
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Well then... it seems you have found some who are willing to invest a lot of themselves for the sake of friendship, mentoring and the experience.  Some simply want more.  What I have said doesn't have to come from a bad place or bad past experiences, although some of that is in there.  It is simply that I am fifty one years old and I dont have a lot of time to waste in getting what I want to experience out of life.  Pretty simple and not from a bad place. lol

Personally, I have friends... I am mentor to some and I have had many types of experience's in life.  Now I am focused on what I want...not pleasing the world or attempting to be someone special to someone who cannot give me what I want in a relationship, kink or anything else.  Selfish?  No more than anyone else.  I have devoted my life to assisting people, mentoring people, helping them life free within themselves and happier lives.  I've done my charitable and will do more I am sure as it is my nature... but a self focus for the first time in my life isn't a bad thing, but a healthy and warranted thing.  I need no justification for my selfish needs or wants as I served my time as parent, lover, friend, advocate and on and on.  Now it is my retirement time and me, me, me time... although in a relationship, it won't be all about me, me, me... it is a relationship I want or nothing.

I am not a mistress charitable union here.  If that makes me bad... then I am ever so friggin bad! hehe!

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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 9:01:58 AM   
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I want a relationship. A mentorship. A friendship. If you have to ask what you're getting out of that, I can only assume you've misunderstood me some how. If you think you're hearing me correctly, then please, explain to me what it is you expect to get out of it besides mutual compaionship and the chance to share something beautiful?



Thanks for adding this, because all along I have been wondering.  So far, it seems that you are asking for someone to overturn your psyche for your personal gain, after which you will go merrily on your way suddenly able to delegate. 

From my POV, friendship is not enough anymore.  The sort of thing you are asking for is an enormous amount of work, commitment, and aggravation.  I don't think it's an impossible task by any means, but one that I would be extremely hesitant to take on.  If you would manipulate a therapist, why wouldn't you try and manipulate me?  Unlike my friend Shakti, I don't see your motives as being necessarily "pure" on the surface!  :) 

I am also unsure as to what you would be expecting to experience. Play?  That would be the very last thing that would occur to me.   I have bottomed heavily, I have been hogtied with no way out, and have never felt the slightest bit of submission---or even lack of control!  Do you really have it in you to give up your NON WORK responsibilities to another person?  Would you let her tell you your schedule for the day, how you are spending your disposable income, what you will be eating, wearing, doing?  If you could, could you translate that experience to your daily activities?

Or would a nice management skills class serve you better?



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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 9:07:09 AM   
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I'm actually a practitioner of Zen meditation, it has helped me leaps and bounds over the years, no doubt about that. I'm actually hoping to get something of a meditative experience by submitting to pain, objectification and humiliation. A head space akin to sub-space, perhaps. I think that might be quite freeing.


I'm a switch, and find some kinds of pain *VERY* meditative. It can also be interesting to get into a kind of feral headspace, or even to feel the adrenaline rush of fear.

Hmm, I wouldn't want to break someone, and 24/7 isn't usually a dynamic I seek out, on either side. I'd be fine with someone who primarily had experience as a Dom who wanted to try bottoming to get into the kind of headspace you describe, but I don't know whether or not I personally would consider it submission. I'm not interested in getting into that kind of relationship with someone unless it was romantic/committed/emotional. I can play casually, but prefer to spend my time on people who are compatible with me, and the specific type of play you describe is way too intense and emotional to do with "just a friend."

BTW, a switch isn't necessarily a D/s switch - masochistic dominants, sadistic submissives, and Top/Bottom switches who don't do power exchange at all qualify, too.

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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 9:44:01 AM   
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I'm really enjoying our exchanges, thanks again. :)

In reply to what I would expect... nothing, as far as details go, Ill leave up to her. Everyone dominates a bit differently. However she thinks is best to train me, I'm willing to submit to. What i would expect as far the relationship dynamic? Well, I suppose that depends largely on the person and how we connect. Love is certainly possible, and I hope likely. I think I could learn very easily from someone I loved. But a deep love isn't required, especially in the beginning. Mutual respect, admiration, trust and attraction are all expected. Of course, I do want to care about her, and be cared for in return. I would hope that we would remain friends if we weren't before our adventure.
Certainly not a booty call. I would do the best within my means to conform to her schedule and pace for the relationship.

I imagine beginning this adventure with at least several weeks of getting to know each other and see if we're compatible by learning about each other through regular shared experiences. I think they call this dating... lol After we determined we were both passionately into it, we'd make clear limits and all the standard negotiation jazz. And at that point I would do my best to give my self to her in what ever way she thought best to teach me. Whether that be 24/7 beck and call, or just on the weekends... I chose her to relenquish control to her, so I'll trust what ever she decides. That's the goal, anyway. I can't say that it won't be a struggle for me, at times. But I'm confedant in my ability to choose a capable woman who is patient and wise enough to guide me when I need help obeying. I expect no less from my self as a dominant, my standards for a mistress would be at least as high.
I have no clue how long my training might last. I think the shortest might be a few months, the  longest might be years. It doesn't really matter to me how long it takes, I have no expectations in that regard. If she wanted to put a time frame on it, I'd be comfortable with that, it may even help me. Either way, like I said, after my training is complete I'd expect to still accosiate with her, the nature of our relationship would simply evolve in certain aspects. I'm sure we would be closely bonded by that point anyway.

I'll admit it is probably not the ideal relationship dynamic that many woman have come to expect. But I have been a mentor my self, and I find it immensley rewarding and enlightening. The lack of ultimate commitment between us did not tarnish the beauty of our bond. In fact it was an over all better experience than many relationships I've entered with the expectation of "long term". Something about having an initial understanding that the relationship will be fluid makes it a very unassuming and mutually fulfilling experience. And I will always keep with me what I gained from our exchange. So I do believe that I have much to offer as a companion, lover, friend, student, teacher, and submissive.

Why wouldn't I ask woman's opinions when it is a woman I wish to share the experience with? hah That just seems like common sense. If I wanted to attract a guy, I'd ask other guy's opinions.
Also, I approach things a little differently than you when it comes to men and women. I understand women as well as I understand men, which isn't to say a tremendous amount. Though, certainly enough to relate. I was raised by many strong and wise women, so I may be able to relate even better.
Hahah... I can't wait to see my mother's reaction when I tell her I'm considering submitting. Whether she likes it or not, I think she will be surprised. She doesn't understand D/s too well, though she tries. She simply believes a better person is a person in control of them selves. She see's submissive as weakness, I think. Which is sad.... Anyway.. tangent.. sorry.

A pro is an option, but I'm looking for something more intimate.

I'll try tying my self up, see if anything happens, but I'd be surprised.


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ORIGINAL: MistressAinCT
Wonders I, what do kind of contact would you have with this person?  Friends? Lovers? A "BDSM booty call" for when you "need" it?

If you want temporary-and I know this is going to probably get your knickers in a bunch-you can always go Pro.  Believe it or not, some Pros specialize in this sort of thing.  I know, I know-you don't want to have to pay for it, but honestly like most said here, if there is nothing to gain for themselves you are probably Sh** out of luck.

But this also got Me thinking as to why you are asking only the women.  Wouldn't a male who has experienced this sort of thing be more helpful to you?  you are getting the female Domme point of view.  We don't think like men (thank Goddess) and we surely don't know how men think(::sigh::: if only).  We think like Dommes-50%selfish, 50% harsh, 50% bitchy, 100% Dominant.  Not sure we are the ones to ask.

Seems to Me you got more than you need as far as advice is concerned here.  Perhaps a sensual spanking or bondage to start you off? 

Side note: Many who find it difficult to give up their power at first find peace, solace and the freeing effect of bondage.  Maybe tie yourself up ( I know, that's really bizarre!) just to see how you feel about it. 

And I also wonder, if a female came to you with this same request, what would you advise her to do?

Namaste


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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 10:10:03 AM   
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So you seek a long or short term, passionate relationship with a dominant women you have no plans to stay with.  Pretty much what I saw before your last post.  No one knows how long a relationship might last, but knowing right off the bat that this relationship, called whatever it is... will be sexual and there is no intention of making it a couple's type relationship... just says to me... sure might be fun if you are into that stuff... but for the long haul... nope... he can walk when he gets his fix and I am just a stepping stone to his lifetime goals. 

Some might like that and not want more... some do want more.

As mentor, I am not sexually involved or passionate in a sexual sense.  As mentor, I am not playing with someone.  As playmate... I might do and be both.  I don't do friends... I am simply not a long term or short term, loving bootie call and kink resource center.  Shit.. add the words love or loving... doesn't make it any different than... I want something and will use a pretty word to enhance getting what I want.  Sure people can love in many ways and many people... some open ended, some not.  But I see nothing different in what you want and what you offer than most who want no commitment's and some pleasure for as long as they want it.

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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 10:35:04 AM   
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Honestly I get two to three requests like this every week. Most of them want to learn to "submit" and usually ask what my bra size is or would I be interested in being spanked at some point in the future. These requests get deleted unanswered.  I do not play the "Dom the Domme game".

After looking at your profile I think you are seeking all sorts of answers to all kinds of questions and your really not sure how to go about finding these answers. If you hate submitting, you will not benefit from pretending to submit to someone and if it turns out to a test of wills, then what is the point? You say it is a bit of an experiment, to me it sounds like the "Dom the Domme game".

Do some soul searching, figure out who you are and where you want to go in life. Sometimes inner reflection helps more than a good ass beating or a therapist session.

Good luck,
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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 10:39:05 AM   
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I'm glad I answered your question then. Thank you for the complement, I do try to keep a sharp mind.
I guess I misunderstood you in the first place. I was giving you the reasons why I wanted it, not simply that I wanted it. I thought that was evident in my asking advice on how one might proceed. I surely never intended to deceive. I'd couldn't get any useful responses if I did. Honestly, i find it odd that anyone would assume that I wouldn't be honest here. Just as I wouldn't want to waste your time, my time is valuable and I would not intentionally thwart my own purpose for being here. I feel like I've missed out on a few people's wisdom because of they decided not to take my words at face value and instead compare me to their negative experiences... Maybe they're more jading than I realize, I admit I have been lucky enough to have only been requested to mentor once and it was a very positive experience. I imagine that might make the difference between how we approach this. I'm looking at it as a mutually beneficial experience, because that's what I know. I'm sorry that it seems that hasn't been the majority experience.
But I must again question the sanity in asking, "what's in it for me?" If you don't know, I guess you haven't experienced it. Not like I have, anyway...


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ORIGINAL: CarrieO

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ORIGINAL: Eleutherios


As far as why, I'm not sure I can offer you more than I already  have, besides it's just the experience I want.

My submission to her would be temporary, yes but I can't imagine just losing contact with someone like that, not after the having developed a bond like that.



Eleutherios,

I've left only these two statements from your quote to draw your attention to the fact that you did answer my question of "why".  You want the experience...plain and simple.  I would suggest if you choose to pursue this desire that you be completely upfront and honest about your motives from the start.
Wanting to experience something isn't wrong....not by a long shot. Trying to fancy it up with higher reasons is misleading.  I get the impression that you're an intelligent young man...you understand exactly what I'm saying here.

I wish you many happy...and honest...experiences!


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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 10:52:33 AM   
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Frankly, if this topic is not something of interest to you personally, but you acknowledge that it can be fulfilling for some...what's the point of your post? Letting me know it's not what *you* want? Thanks, I guess. I already conceded that it's not for everyone. I didn't post here to hear about why you think I'm a waste of your time. Please, don't waste mine. There are already posts here questioning my motives and telling me that my topic is of no interest to them. It's ceased to be useful. Do you have any other thoughts besides it's not for you? Maybe giving me a hypothetical circumstance describing what you might actually want out of such a relationship were you to be in one, just for the sake of discussion and helping someone out? Why are the responses so negative. Is this really such a taboo topic? That would help explain why so many preferred to contact me privately.... I realize I'm probably ranting, but it is a bit surprising how much suspicion and dismissal this topic has riled up. It seems irrational from my perspective. I'd love to understand it, though.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

<Cut for the sake of brevety>

I see a lot of generous domina's, but we have live's, we have things that we want... we have many who like to benefit from us who have no other motive than what they want or need out of the contact and a few good submissive's that really want what we might want.  Why go for the one that most likely will never fulfill us?

You feel you are different than the other dominant men who come to us... I don't see that.  Maybe a variation or two... but still the bottom line is a man who needs something for himself, that asks for a lot, who will give nothing more than what he currently wishes to give up... all for who's benefit?  So while you may be very sincere... and a nice person, you are motivated by self and although you offer what many do... it isn't often what we want and worth it to us.

So... the bottom line for me is... what about you or this type of situation is something of worth to the dominant?  And what makes your request or needs any different than most the men who contact us?


In My opinion, the above is the meat and the bones of the matter.  It applies here as well as any and all of those areas where we as Dominant women are faced with any proposal where we are, essentially, getting less than we want, need, or deserve.

No matter what the situation where there is an offer that doesn't fulfill us, those who can't live up to what it is that we are looking for, have to understand that there are some who can.  While what the OP proposes might be an entertaining little experiment to some, why would someone who wants to reap the benefits of a more fulfilling D/s dynamic squander their time if this wouldn't meet their needs?  The same can be said about a myriad of subjects for those who aren't offering what someone else can.  Casual sex when a person wants a relationship.  Married folks who can't get why someone is only interested in single people.  Males who insist on serving in feminine attire, when a Domme is only interested in those who dress as male.  These are just a few of the subjects that are current topics on the board right now.  There are plenty of others, just do a little research.



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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 10:52:47 AM   
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LOL... I cannot tell you how many younger men contact me and state that experiencing them would be something I would never forget! LOL... I grew up around the free love, make love not war, older hippies, biker dudes... professional player's and bootie call one night stands.  They all offer something.  But maybe... old age has tainted and jaded me... and I want more than the experience!  Every man that said... I will treat you right babe... I give oral like no one else... sorry... most didn't have what it took to make me happily going to fourth base.  How can he do oral when he can't even kiss?  How can he keep me up all night making me orgasmiclly happy when he is a three strokes and your out kinda guy? 

And even if he could give me many nights of wonderous pleasures... why would I want them if he goes away the next day thinking all studdly like?

What is wrong with a woman/dominant wanting more?  What is wrong with not wanting to be someone's part time lover for a moment or two in life?  What is wrong in wanting more from someone we give so much to, that there is some basis for love in the first place? Saying good bye isn't hard to do... in fact many make it very easy... but some of us are looking for a guy who says hello every day and I will be back.  So you can't understand why we ask what is in it for us.  Take a guess... how about value... knowing we are respected and cared for and are not a toss away dominant who serves a purpose for a time... but only that?

Your best bet may be a dominant who has a partner and is poly.

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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 10:56:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Eleutherios

I am a dominant and sadistic male with no masochistic tendencies, and no desire to submit. However, I feel like I need to learn how to give up control, especially of my self. Of course, I'm sure I'd benefit by learning how to dominate someone even better. But for me it goes deeper than just wanting to better understand the other side of the D/s coin. There are issues in my day to day life that I think I could handle 100 times better if I could be more OK with not being in control. Submitting and enjoying it, for me, would be a profound and life changing event. I think I need that.

So my first instinct is to find an experienced and strong dominant woman that I can trust and respect enough to put my training in her hands.

What do you think, is this a realistic request of someone?
What would you say to such a request?




That is why you are getting our responses as such.

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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 11:07:33 AM   
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I still think you might be misunderstanding me. My experience mentoring wasn't merely a friendship. I loved her with every ounce of my being and it was a rewarding experience to the end. It wasn't a waste of my time because I appreciate  the "effort" I put into it. That "effort" consists of bonding, learning to trust each other, feeling around for our limits...that's not work. That's fucking awesome. lol Why wouldn't you or anyone want to experience that (obviously with someone compatible)?
Every relationship ends, most of them not in death. Holding out for only the ones you wanna bet will last forever, well I think it will only leave you missing out on a hell of a lot of beauty, passion, wisdom, and love. Not every love has to be happily ever after. But that's me, and obviously I'm hoping to find someone who agrees on this point. If you still don't agree, I respect that. Maybe you know someone who would be interested? lol


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Well then... it seems you have found some who are willing to invest a lot of themselves for the sake of friendship, mentoring and the experience.  Some simply want more.  What I have said doesn't have to come from a bad place or bad past experiences, although some of that is in there.  It is simply that I am fifty one years old and I dont have a lot of time to waste in getting what I want to experience out of life.  Pretty simple and not from a bad place. lol

Personally, I have friends... I am mentor to some and I have had many types of experience's in life.  Now I am focused on what I want...not pleasing the world or attempting to be someone special to someone who cannot give me what I want in a relationship, kink or anything else.  Selfish?  No more than anyone else.  I have devoted my life to assisting people, mentoring people, helping them life free within themselves and happier lives.  I've done my charitable and will do more I am sure as it is my nature... but a self focus for the first time in my life isn't a bad thing, but a healthy and warranted thing.  I need no justification for my selfish needs or wants as I served my time as parent, lover, friend, advocate and on and on.  Now it is my retirement time and me, me, me time... although in a relationship, it won't be all about me, me, me... it is a relationship I want or nothing.

I am not a mistress charitable union here.  If that makes me bad... then I am ever so friggin bad! hehe!


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