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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 2:49:36 PM   
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When all you want out of life is happiness, the only thing that changes is how you choose to find it. I believe this to be universally true.
I tend to strive for self awareness, which has led me to this exploration. I have my priorities and I'm happy with them, for now. But rest assured, I am always open to evolving my ideas about what brings me happiness. How else would one expect to maintain it. :)
Thanks again.

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Thanks for the advice, but I know what I want out of life.


You will find as life goes on this changes, you are still relatively young.

Right now I am hearing from your post that you want someone to WOW you so much that you are driven to your knees. This may or may not happen. Because unless you already have submissive traits in your personality makeup it just is not there. YES people can have their minds and spirits broken to the point that they will follow any despot that is out there, but is that what you truly want?

Good luck in your research.

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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 3:13:38 PM   
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LOL... a quick hook up and you advise us on the different things out there if we look for them.  LOL... outta the mouth's of babe's...  Since you know all there is to know and are so enlightened... I'm sure we will all be following your example. lol

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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 3:15:05 PM   
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Yet, in my ten years of studying and practicing D/s, I don't think I have ever once asked, as a dominant, what is in it for me when dominating.


You state on your profile that you are 25, yet have 10 yrs of study and practice, which means you started doing live D/s at 15?

Maybe when you have lived through many more years of Dominance as service to others you will see how many of us feel about a manipulative Dom who asks to be Dominated. I'd like to see what you say after 20 more years of living. So, email me then, will ya?

I think it is cool that you are looking at doing this. You are only 25 and have many fun years of personal exploration and discovery ahead of you.

Red flags do go up for many of us related to what Lockit and Cat have already stated above.

You could find a Domme that 'needs' to take a Dom down and would enjoy getting around some of those control issues you yourself stated above that have been an issue for you.
I could see you really falling for a Domme and her guiding you into sub-space, Although a power struggle or many of them are likely in every-day living with her Dominance and your attempts at submission.
A Poly and married Domme might enjoy engaging with you.

All of this is rattling around in my head. I am trying to have an open mind with what you have stated so far, some of which was confusing.

I am one of those that seeks subs who already know they want to throw themselves near my feet and don't need a whole lot of convincing to be under my whip, my chair, or anything else I feel the urge for in the moment.

If your orientation and your intentions have been clearly stated, then posting here as you have has probably already jump-started your journey.

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I wish you luck finding what you are seeking, as long as it's mutually beneficial.

“If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save  
you.     If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not  
bring forth will destroy you."            —Gospel of Thomas, 70 

and a big part of that has to do with the things you started sharing from the beginning of this thread.




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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 3:21:42 PM   
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I'm afraid it is you that is assuming you know the details. You have no idea what context the two of us know each other or for how long. Why would you be so quick to assume I am that naive, have I not shown you respect and understanding? Why will you not afford the same to me courtesy, and give me the benefit of the doubt...at least long enough to find out if your assumptions are correct?


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LOL... a quick hook up and you advise us on the different things out there if we look for them.  LOL... outta the mouth's of babe's...  Since you know all there is to know and are so enlightened... I'm sure we will all be following your example. lol


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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 3:26:19 PM   
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When you talk to us as if we are unaware and just need to look and see... what do you expect?  It's not like we started a thread to see how to get a dominant or anyone for that matter.  So you tell us how it is done... lol

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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 3:41:51 PM   
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I began exploring BDSM at 14. I rounded down. I've been involved in my local community since I was seventeen. As I said, I've often preferred the company of those older than me. A close friend used to own an underground BDSM club that operated at a strip club after they closed at 2am. Pretty sure the whole operation was illegal, but my friend who owned the place had one of the county cops as submissive, so I think she was fairly protected. By the way, the cop was the one who was eventually forced to suck me, isn't that hilarious!

Anyway, why is it manipulative to seek out someone to mentor me? Why am I a dom asking to be dominated... How about instead, I'm a man who has aligned him self with dominance for now, and is seeking to possibly expand that.

I totally relate to choosing experienced submissives. It has been my prefrence for a few years now. For most of my kinky life I've been a trainer, an instigator...Always a liberator, never the liberated. hah. jk... But it has been rarely the other way around. I'm looking forward to changing that and delving into unexplored territory, even if it makes me feel uncomfortable.


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ORIGINAL: MissEnchanted

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Yet, in my ten years of studying and practicing D/s, I don't think I have ever once asked, as a dominant, what is in it for me when dominating.


You state on your profile that you are 25, yet have 10 yrs of study and practice, which means you started doing live D/s at 15?

Maybe when you have lived through many more years of Dominance as service to others you will see how many of us feel about a manipulative Dom who asks to be Dominated. I'd like to see what you say after 20 more years of living. So, email me then, will ya?

I think it is cool that you are looking at doing this. You are only 25 and have many fun years of personal exploration and discovery ahead of you.

Red flags do go up for many of us related to what Lockit and Cat have already stated above.

You could find a Domme that 'needs' to take a Dom down and would enjoy getting around some of those control issues you yourself stated above that have been an issue for you.
I could see you really falling for a Domme and her guiding you into sub-space, Although a power struggle or many of them are likely in every-day living with her Dominance and your attempts at submission.
A Poly and married Domme might enjoy engaging with you.

All of this is rattling around in my head. I am trying to have an open mind with what you have stated so far, some of which was confusing.

I am one of those that seeks subs who already know they want to throw themselves near my feet and don't need a whole lot of convincing to be under my whip, my chair, or anything else I feel the urge for in the moment.

If your orientation and your intentions have been clearly stated, then posting here as you have has probably already jump-started your journey.

Me






I wish you luck finding what you are seeking.

I think this sounds mostly like 'an inside job' which is something you do for yourself with introspection, or with a good therapist who can see through manipulation.
You acknowledge that you are manipulative, may be mis-leading, and really have no desire to submit,

and a big part of that has to do with the things you started sharing from the beginning of this thread.






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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 3:47:26 PM   
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I don't find it funny... not at all. 

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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 4:10:42 PM   
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17 is the legal age of consent in Texas, so don't let that kill the beauty of watching a cop being forced to pleasure someone he might have just pulled over... hah

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I don't find it funny... not at all. 


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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 4:24:58 PM   
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Thank you for the response, I do genuinely appreciate it. Just a couple questions...

What exactly tells you that my motives are more pure?


You express a desire to submit for the sake of your own development and mental health. It is not about pleasing others or getting into the pants of any particular woman who otherwise would not be willing to have sexual contact with you. The desire to submit is the end, in other words, not the means to an end.

Ergo, your motives are pure from my point of view.

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What aspect of how I framed it here is it that you think best communicates the request?


Essentially, the message I got from reading your post is that you would like to try submission as a possible path to personal growth. You have control issues and you are looking for ways to work through them. I have no idea whether taking the submissive/masochistic role in BDSM will help you, but if you present this to a responsible person as something you would like to try for the reasons you've outlined, they may be willing to help you as a friend.

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I kinda thought I muddled it up a bit. I understand it's not a rare request, that's why I want to make certain I understand the concerns she might have so that I could address them before I'm dismissed as just another wanna-be sub. I desire to learn to submit but I don't think I will ever be a submissive, if that makes sense. Who knows, maybe the experience will turn me into a switch, but I doubt it. I'm fairly in tune with my self.

I simply think this is an adventure I need to experience...spiritually, intellectually, emotionally....


I think it's relevant to point out that many dominants go through this stage and attempt this "adventure" for a variety of personal reasons. If you present this idea to an experienced dominant, she may not only understand it--she may have lived it. A friendly switch might also be helpful, as these dichotomies are part of their daily lives and some of them are actually capable of assuming more than one role even with the same partner.

In any case, I think the main point is that the person you approach needs to be on friendly terms with you and know and like you personally for this to work, without having reason to believe that you are trying to be sexually "devious" in some way. This is the one factor that has led me to say "no" to more requests than any other.


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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 6:11:28 PM   
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You, ma'am, are a fortune teller. A switch friend of mine and I are presently discussing this.




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ORIGINAL: Eleutherios

Thank you for the response, I do genuinely appreciate it. Just a couple questions...

What exactly tells you that my motives are more pure?


You express a desire to submit for the sake of your own development and mental health. It is not about pleasing others or getting into the pants of any particular woman who otherwise would not be willing to have sexual contact with you. The desire to submit is the end, in other words, not the means to an end.

Ergo, your motives are pure from my point of view.

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What aspect of how I framed it here is it that you think best communicates the request?


Essentially, the message I got from reading your post is that you would like to try submission as a possible path to personal growth. You have control issues and you are looking for ways to work through them. I have no idea whether taking the submissive/masochistic role in BDSM will help you, but if you present this to a responsible person as something you would like to try for the reasons you've outlined, they may be willing to help you as a friend.

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I kinda thought I muddled it up a bit. I understand it's not a rare request, that's why I want to make certain I understand the concerns she might have so that I could address them before I'm dismissed as just another wanna-be sub. I desire to learn to submit but I don't think I will ever be a submissive, if that makes sense. Who knows, maybe the experience will turn me into a switch, but I doubt it. I'm fairly in tune with my self.

I simply think this is an adventure I need to experience...spiritually, intellectually, emotionally....


I think it's relevant to point out that many dominants go through this stage and attempt this "adventure" for a variety of personal reasons. If you present this idea to an experienced dominant, she may not only understand it--she may have lived it. A friendly switch might also be helpful, as these dichotomies are part of their daily lives and some of them are actually capable of assuming more than one role even with the same partner.

In any case, I think the main point is that the person you approach needs to be on friendly terms with you and know and like you personally for this to work, without having reason to believe that you are trying to be sexually "devious" in some way. This is the one factor that has led me to say "no" to more requests than any other.



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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 8:37:59 PM   
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I don't find it funny... not at all.


Agreed and I have my doubts as to whether it is true. 17 maybe the age of legal consent in Texas but a cop (if caught) giving a blowjob to someone that young is just plain stupid. And this cop was not "forced" to do anything (if this happened), he did it because he wanted to. Humorous? Nah.

~Lashra


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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 8:50:09 PM   
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i do make a damn fine meatball if i don't say so myself..LOL...Thank you Mistress Cat.

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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/23/2009 10:58:29 PM   
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Religion did it for me. (wry grin)

That said, I've done this for a couple dominant men I'm friends with, but we all were close enough friends that no one had to get their egos tied up in their dominance, and for both of us it was sacred and very deep and meaningful.



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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/24/2009 9:02:33 AM   
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I dunno if it's possible to feel authentcally submissive simply by desire.  Can you make a dog feel like a cat.. even if he wanted to?  He's still thinking like a dog.  He'd be looking at the cat through a dog's perspective. Work on the feeling of compassion towards the other person. That has always been my motivation.

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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/24/2009 9:30:34 AM   
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The point isn't so much to MAKE me feel like anything. The point is to discover what I do feel. And the more I talk with the woman who will be training me, the more ideas like being verbal humiliated stir something inside me that I've never felt...

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I dunno if it's possible to feel authentcally submissive simply by desire.  Can you make a dog feel like a cat.. even if he wanted to?  He's still thinking like a dog.  He'd be looking at the cat through a dog's perspective. Work on the feeling of compassion towards the other person. That has always been my motivation.


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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/24/2009 9:37:21 AM   
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Yeah, he was stupid and it probably shouldn't have happened. But it did and no amount of brooding about it is going to change that. So looking back on it, I find it pretty funny. Though, I'm also grateful nothing bad came out of it. No, he wasn't forced in the legal since of the word. He was ordered to suck me by his mistress. He probably wouldn't have chosen to do it on his own, however.

Here is a link to a picture of me and my friend, the club owner, playing in the club after the strippers went home. I don't really care if you believed it happened. But I have no reason to lie, so it's a bit silly to assume I am simply because you don't like what I am saying.

Hmm the image is stored on my fetlife account and it seem CM blocks the word "fetlife." So, if you copy and paste the link in your browser, replace the four astrisks with "f e t l i f e" Without spaces, of course.

http://images.fetlife.com/84/84882/nick-1.jpeg_20090103235336_510.jpg

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I don't find it funny... not at all.


Agreed and I have my doubts as to whether it is true. 17 maybe the age of legal consent in Texas but a cop (if caught) giving a blowjob to someone that young is just plain stupid. And this cop was not "forced" to do anything (if this happened), he did it because he wanted to. Humorous? Nah.

~Lashra



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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/24/2009 9:46:23 AM   
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You should look for someone you can trust in your local community, someone you respect.

You also need to seriously consider what you can offer this person for taking on this role that you feel you need. What you are talking about takes a lot of time and energy, not something most women have a surplus of, dominant or not.

For me, what you are asking is beyond simple BDSM or Ds, it's something that develops long-term in a dynamic,and therefore not something I could agree to try with someone who knows he is a top and happy with that.

I'll second the idea that a therapist might help or a life-coach too. We all have to do things in everyday life that we don't like, it's a matter of feeling confident enough and comfortable enough with yourself to not let those things bother you too much.


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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/24/2009 11:20:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

You should look for someone you can trust in your local community, someone you respect.

You also need to seriously consider what you can offer this person for taking on this role that you feel you need. What you are talking about takes a lot of time and energy, not something most women have a surplus of, dominant or not.

For me, what you are asking is beyond simple BDSM or Ds, it's something that develops long-term in a dynamic,and therefore not something I could agree to try with someone who knows he is a top and happy with that.

I'll second the idea that a therapist might help or a life-coach too. We all have to do things in everyday life that we don't like, it's a matter of feeling confident enough and comfortable enough with yourself to not let those things bother you too much.



I appreciate your reply. You're right, a mentorship is something best done with someone who is already a friend. I didn't think I knew anyone that would or could mentor me. But I remembered a friend I was talking to about eventually doing some scenes, with me as the dominant. She is a switch, so I asked her if she'd be willing to guide me in this exploration and learning experience.

I really overstated the issue regarding how I think submitting may teach me about being more comfortable when not in control. I wish I could take it back word it more accurately, but I can't. 

I don't I need therapy. I don't need a life coach. I need a friend who can help me explore undiscovered aspects of my personality. I am a better adjusted and happier person than most people I know. So please, trust me when I say, I'm OK.

Acting submisisve makes me uncomfortable and I don't like that. But when I say it makes me uncomfortable, that doesn't mean it effects my life or how I act. You'd probably never realize I have any problem with doing submissive acts just from watching me. It's all an internal process.
I am in control of my actions, and largely my feelings too. I take pride in that. So when I realized I wasn't in control of my feelings regarding submission, I wanted know why. That's why I am trying this out, so I can better understand why I felt uncomfortable when acting submissive. 

I'm starting to think it had to do with some cognitive dissonance. I identified as a dominant, but when I have to act submissive, I feel uncomfortable. For years I've assumed that I felt uncomfortable because submission just wasn't who I am. But I'm starting to theorize I felt uncomfortable because I liked it and didn't even know it. That would explain it because I was holding two opposing ideas in my head, it didn't fit together. ...I think once I explore this further and better define what it is I feel I'll be more internally content in submisisve acts, probably even make smarter choices because of that.




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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/24/2009 12:12:40 PM   
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This is just stirring the pot a bit, but it might bring something interesting.

Most of the switches that I know, tell Me that they tend to feel a certain type of energy when connected with another person.  For example, I have a switch friend that I play with on occasion.  Towards most people, he has a Dominant personality.  Around Me, he is submissive.  (Something that a good friend of his thought was rather funny, as she had never seen that side of him before, but I digress.)

If you are uncomfortable in dealing with your submissive side, how do you know you will not prompt the submissive side out of your friend by subtle hints at your own Domination?


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RE: Ladies, opinions please - 2/24/2009 12:33:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

This is just stirring the pot a bit, but it might bring something interesting.

Most of the switches that I know, tell Me that they tend to feel a certain type of energy when connected with another person.  For example, I have a switch friend that I play with on occasion.  Towards most people, he has a Dominant personality.  Around Me, he is submissive.  (Something that a good friend of his thought was rather funny, as she had never seen that side of him before, but I digress.)

If you are uncomfortable in dealing with your submissive side, how do you know you will not prompt the submissive side out of your friend by subtle hints at your own Domination?



I think there might be different types of switches. My friend tells me that she can switch back and forth at will with a single individual.
I've seen her submissive side to a small degree, just in observing her interaction with me. It's a stark contrast between how she spoke to me then and how she speaks to me now. I don't think she'll have much problem staying in dominant mindset. I hope not, because it's very easy for me to not even realize I am taking control, it's what I've known all my life. So, she's going to have to be on her toes, that's for sure.
I think her helping me find my submissive mindset (if I truly have one), and keeping me there, will be the largest challenge for us both.




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