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MasterShake69 -> RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele (3/11/2009 11:18:53 AM)

the words were in the song

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/31/biden.obama/

In the article published Wednesday, Biden is quoted evaluating presidential rivals Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, former Sen. John Edwards, D-North Carolina, and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois. His remarks about Obama, the only African-American serving in the Senate, drew the most scrutiny."I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man." (Watch Biden's comments and Obama's reaction )
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

Yes EEEEW that is your VP Joe Biden being quoted ;)

does this make Joe Biden a racist??? or does it make rush a racist for quoting Joe Biden ;)


What exactly was the quote and the source?

The whole thing, as well as your point, has me pretty confused.





truckinslave -> RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele (3/11/2009 11:31:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave
First, let me say that I thoroughly enjoy Rush. I "get" his sense of humor, usually, and invariably appreciate his optimism and patriotism. I agree with him on many issues, disagree with him on some.


That's good.   Entertainers that you like should be enjoyed.

I thoroughly enjoy Howard Stern. 

The only difference here is I realize Stern is a comedian who will do and say anything to attract an audience and boost ratings.

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On attacking Rush for his addiction to painkillers- By the same logic I'm sure there's not a cretin in the country who would have attacked Sarah Palin for having a Down's Syndrome child had she not previously spoken out against others in similar circumstances; and people ridicule RL's weight only because he makes fat jokes.



There's no logic in what you just said.  You're trying to stretch the argument to include things not directly pertinent while completely evading the issue of Limbaugh's blatant hypocrisy.

Also, to clarify, this was not just a simple case of addiction, (although by Rush's proclaimed standard all addicts should be jailed)  it was a case of illegally obtaining prescription drugs, something he would have crucified anyone else over.

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You may not have seen Rush in cuffs and orange, but it certainly wan't for a lack of persecutorial zeal.


I'm assuming you mean the zealousness of the Palm Beach County prosecutor's office.

Doctor-shopping is the practice of secretly obtaining prescriptions from multiple doctors in order to obtain excessive amounts of drugs. It is a third-degree felony under Florida Statutes 893.13(7)(a)(8) and 893.13(7)(c). The practice is punishable by up to five years in prison and up to a $5,000 fine.
(Media Matters - O'Reilly attempted to minimize alleged Limbaugh ...)


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To whom do you believe we should "give credibility"? Who do you think we should "take seriously"? It certainly seems to me that his detractors take him more seriously than most of us fans.


No, it seems the Republican Party takes him pretty seriously when any of the party's elite that dares criticize him is forced to tuck their tail between their legs and humbly apologize days later.



I'm not on horse, or a horse, or high on a horse, or on a high horse [:D] Nor did I ever say, or even imply, that I think Rush is a "victim or righteous or above the fray"; although I certainly think he borders on the self-righteous sometimes. It is reasonable to infer from my post that I believe Rush would have been attacked for his addiction even had he not previously shown a total intolerance for drug addicts. And, believe me, as an alcoholic myself, now sober some 18 years, I was acutely aware of that intolerance. I didn't think it was necessary for me to hate him for it; it was just one of those things about him that I, shall we say, failed to admire.
In any case, I believe he would have been attacked regardless, just as he is attacked for his weight.
I'm glad we can agree on the zealousness of the prosecution. If the prosecutors office in PB went after doctor-shopping housewives with the same zeal I would not then or now think that RL was less prosecuted  for his crimes than persecuted for his politics. But, the prosecutor doesn't, of course; so what other conclusion can a reasonable person draw?
Furthermore, as I'm sure you'd agree, the hypocrisy of a prosecutor fanatically pursuing charges against a citizen for political reasons is far more serious than the hypocrisy so commonly practiced by so many individuals.
Not all of the "party's elite" apologize to El Rushbo. I personally think it will be a cold day in hell before Newt issues the sort of unequivocal apology Mister Steele did.
Of course, I think Mr Steele spoke without thinking and truly regretted it. Newt, imo, never speaks without thinking and is trying to reinvent himself for a run against President Hussein. YMMV, of course.




MasterShake69 -> RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele (3/11/2009 11:36:37 AM)

i think there is a difference between someone initially being given an addictive drug by a doctor and someone who starts the addiction themselves.   Both have to make the same journey to overcome the addiction.  However how both addictions began are totally different.    One was by choice the other wasn’t.




truckinslave -> RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele (3/11/2009 11:41:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave
First, let me say that I thoroughly enjoy Rush. I "get" his sense of humor, usually, and invariably appreciate his optimism and patriotism. I agree with him on many issues, disagree with him on some.


That's good.   Entertainers that you like should be enjoyed.

I thoroughly enjoy Howard Stern. 

The only difference here is I realize Stern is a comedian who will do and say anything to attract an audience and boost ratings.

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On attacking Rush for his addiction to painkillers- By the same logic I'm sure there's not a cretin in the country who would have attacked Sarah Palin for having a Down's Syndrome child had she not previously spoken out against others in similar circumstances; and people ridicule RL's weight only because he makes fat jokes.



There's no logic in what you just said.  You're trying to stretch the argument to include things not directly pertinent while completely evading the issue of Limbaugh's blatant hypocrisy.

Also, to clarify, this was not just a simple case of addiction, (although by Rush's proclaimed standard all addicts should be jailed)  it was a case of illegally obtaining prescription drugs, something he would have crucified anyone else over.

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You may not have seen Rush in cuffs and orange, but it certainly wan't for a lack of persecutorial zeal.


I'm assuming you mean the zealousness of the Palm Beach County prosecutor's office.

Doctor-shopping is the practice of secretly obtaining prescriptions from multiple doctors in order to obtain excessive amounts of drugs. It is a third-degree felony under Florida Statutes 893.13(7)(a)(8) and 893.13(7)(c). The practice is punishable by up to five years in prison and up to a $5,000 fine.
(Media Matters - O'Reilly attempted to minimize alleged Limbaugh ...)


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To whom do you believe we should "give credibility"? Who do you think we should "take seriously"? It certainly seems to me that his detractors take him more seriously than most of us fans.


No, it seems the Republican Party takes him pretty seriously when any of the party's elite that dares criticize him is forced to tuck their tail between their legs and humbly apologize days later.



Forgot something in my first reply to you.
I don't listen to Stern much; I've listened more to Imus. Both men strike me as being sincere; certainly I have no factual reason to attack their sincerity. Further, it is widely believed that their medium- radio- makes it almost impossible to be convincingly insincere; there is the occasional off-key caller that seems to verify the truth of that belief.
Rush sounds like a "true believer" to me, that he freely spouts his own opinions truthfully.  I infer from your post that you don't agree. Why?




kittinSol -> RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele (3/11/2009 11:43:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
I don't see the song as inheritantly racist.  It's just a silly, little diddy that you would hear non-political radio hosts playing. 


Riiiiiiiiiight, it's completely benign, and even benevolent [8|] .




truckinslave -> RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele (3/11/2009 11:51:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

It's the racism and hatred that make me dislike the man (remember 'Barack the magic negro' ? Talk about adding more to the shit heap of racism in this country). Thankfully, the portion of the conservative electorate that is entertained by hatred and xenophobia is dying. One day, eventually, Limbaugh will be quiet for eternity. As for his legacy, he will have none: he will be seen as an unfortunate cultural incident.

~ HopefulPinko

"Barack the Magic Negro" certainly isn't racist. Neither was "Secret Asian Man", which was my favorite of the musical parodies for which RLs show is well known. Whether or not one finds it funny is largely a personal matter, and a matter of whether one can rise above the question of whose ox is being gored.
I think "BtMN" is hilarious; but I also see humor in some of the SNL skits, and occasionally on the Daily Show.
I understand that some can't see humor across the aisle.
Eventually, kitten, we will all be silent. You have no more insight in what RLs legacy will be than I do of the legacy of our first affirmative action President.
BTW, I have more "black blood" than President Hussein.




kittinSol -> RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele (3/11/2009 11:53:57 AM)

Limbaugh, Coulter, Savage, even Fox news:  a dying breed, I tell you. It's the end of their world. And I feel fine :-) .




rulemylife -> RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele (3/11/2009 12:00:45 PM)

Yes, I'm aware of what Biden said but I'm confused about how you correlated it with what you posted.




truckinslave -> RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele (3/11/2009 12:05:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

i think there is a difference between someone initially being given an addictive drug by a doctor and someone who starts the addiction themselves.   Both have to make the same journey to overcome the addiction.  However how both addictions began are totally different.    One was by choice the other wasn’t.

I kinda sorta more or less sometimes partly agree.
BUT- there is increasing scientific belief that there is a HUGE genetic component to alcoholism, to drug addiction generally, and to specific drug addictions.
I know a lady who has spent... 30?.... years as an addiction counselor. In recovery herself, she has by her own estimate heard the story (the "drinking history", for starters) of thousands of drunks. She says she can count on her fingers the number of people who've told her that they drank to a blackout the first time they drank. I'm one of them; my daughter is another.
I don't think that's a coincedence.




MasterShake69 -> RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele (3/11/2009 12:06:37 PM)

in the song Magic Negro is a line from Joe Biden ;)

Some say Barack's articulate
and bright and new and clean
the media sure love this guy

a white interloper's dream.



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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Yes, I'm aware of what Biden said but I'm confused about how you correlated it with what you posted.




SilverMark -> RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele (3/11/2009 12:10:04 PM)

Unfortunately kiitin....I think you are wrong, there is just too much hate to spread!....




truckinslave -> RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele (3/11/2009 12:10:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Limbaugh, Coulter, Savage, even Fox news:  a dying breed, I tell you. It's the end of their world. And I feel fine :-) .

Yeah, and Olbermans gonna find an audience any day now, and if Franken doesn't succeed in stealing his Senate seat he has a succesful radio career in radio waiting for him.
In an alternate universe on crack, steroids, and LSD, kitten.
And in your dreams[:D]
Glad you feel fine....




votiveguitar -> RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele (3/11/2009 12:13:37 PM)

The problem with Rush L. is that when he gets caught being rasist, insensetive, bigoted or anti-American he hides behind the guise of "I'm just and entertainer" But in the next breath he claimes to be the only voice of truth. He wouldn't know the truth if he saw it in lights.  All of his sponsers, are directly connected to the Republican Party.  The reality is that he is the premier spokesman for the Republican party. He is a died in the wool Secular Huminist that has been leading his lemming followers down a path from "loving our neighbors," to hating them. Shame on Him and anyone who follows him.




kittinSol -> RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele (3/11/2009 12:13:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark
Unfortunately kiitin....I think you are wrong, there is just too much hate to spread!....


It never hurts to be optimistic: and look at how much progress has been made. The younger generation doesn't think like the dinosaurs of the conservative movement. Time will tell, Mark [:)] .




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele (3/11/2009 12:15:25 PM)

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Riiiiiiiiiight, it's completely benign, and even benevolent [8|] .


OK, what's racist about it?  It's a parody of a newspaper article that both attacks Barack Obama for his lack of credentials (according to the writer of the editorial) and white America for unintentional racism.  The entire idea that Barack Obama is akin to the "magic negro" character is an invention of the LA Times editorial writer.  It was parodied and rightfully so.  The entire article is a condemnation of white Americans who supported Barack Obama apparently to assuage their guilt over racism, which apparently makes them racist. 




rulemylife -> RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele (3/11/2009 12:16:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Forgot something in my first reply to you.
I don't listen to Stern much; I've listened more to Imus. Both men strike me as being sincere; certainly I have no factual reason to attack their sincerity. Further, it is widely believed that their medium- radio- makes it almost impossible to be convincingly insincere; there is the occasional off-key caller that seems to verify the truth of that belief.
Rush sounds like a "true believer" to me, that he freely spouts his own opinions truthfully.  I infer from your post that you don't agree. Why?


Yes, they are both extremely sincere, in their desire to make money.

Howard makes no bones about it while Rush wants you to believe that the money is secondary and he just wants to help his fellow Americans to put the country on the right course.

Of course, I'm sure Rush is a little more motivated to help the country when he's able to make $38 million a year by pandering to the most extreme partisan politics.




MasterShake69 -> RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele (3/11/2009 12:18:04 PM)

Usually with smoking cigarettes and drinking beer there is an initial barrier. I remember when I was 7 years old and my friend stole his sister’s cigarettes and we were behind the house and he started smoking it.  Then he gave me it to smoke I took one puff then I coughed and coughed.    Oh you have to get use to it after a while he said.  That was the last time I smoked a cigarette.  When I was a teenager and had my first beer it tasted like crap.  Oh you have to acquire the taste to it my friends told me.  If something’s horrible I just don’t drink it. Other than having one once in a while when its handed to me…I don’t drink.   I believe in being in control at all times.
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

i think there is a difference between someone initially being given an addictive drug by a doctor and someone who starts the addiction themselves.   Both have to make the same journey to overcome the addiction.  However how both addictions began are totally different.    One was by choice the other wasn’t.

I kinda sorta more or less sometimes partly agree.
BUT- there is increasing scientific belief that there is a HUGE genetic component to alcoholism, to drug addiction generally, and to specific drug addictions.
I know a lady who has spent... 30?.... years as an addiction counselor. In recovery herself, she has by her own estimate heard the story (the "drinking history", for starters) of thousands of drunks. She says she can count on her fingers the number of people who've told her that they drank to a blackout the first time they drank. I'm one of them; my daughter is another.
I don't think that's a coincedence.




MasterShake69 -> RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele (3/11/2009 12:20:11 PM)

yes so many hateful democrats.
look at all the source matterial.  it wasnt republicans..it was democrats for Magic Negro song.

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

Unfortunately kiitin....I think you are wrong, there is just too much hate to spread!....




MasterShake69 -> RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele (3/11/2009 12:22:50 PM)

why can liberals say anythign and rush cant?

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ORIGINAL: votiveguitar

The problem with Rush L. is that when he gets caught being rasist, insensetive, bigoted or anti-American he hides behind the guise of "I'm just and entertainer" But in the next breath he claimes to be the only voice of truth. He wouldn't know the truth if he saw it in lights.  All of his sponsers, are directly connected to the Republican Party.  The reality is that he is the premier spokesman for the Republican party. He is a died in the wool Secular Huminist that has been leading his lemming followers down a path from "loving our neighbors," to hating them. Shame on Him and anyone who follows him.




MasterShake69 -> RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele (3/11/2009 12:25:42 PM)

you do know the same argument could be made about Michael Moore , Keith Olbermann , Stewart smalley ect ;)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Forgot something in my first reply to you.
I don't listen to Stern much; I've listened more to Imus. Both men strike me as being sincere; certainly I have no factual reason to attack their sincerity. Further, it is widely believed that their medium- radio- makes it almost impossible to be convincingly insincere; there is the occasional off-key caller that seems to verify the truth of that belief.
Rush sounds like a "true believer" to me, that he freely spouts his own opinions truthfully.  I infer from your post that you don't agree. Why?


Yes, they are both extremely sincere, in their desire to make money.

Howard makes no bones about it while Rush wants you to believe that the money is secondary and he just wants to help his fellow Americans to put the country on the right course.

Of course, I'm sure Rush is a little more motivated to help the country when he's able to make $38 million a year by pandering to the most extreme partisan politics.





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