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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/4/2009 5:05:26 AM

Lockit

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I don't think that submission has much to do with education, but life in general is helped by having one. Where ever or however you get your education, intelligence and self worth will play a huge part in actually using that education to make your life better. Intelligence is knowing what you must do to refine yourself and make your life easier and better. Some of the brightest lights in a human being that I have known didn't have a formal education. They were of course limited because they didn't have that document and sometimes experience of the formal educational process, but they could out wit and speak with any group of educated persons we were around. Income is not always based on eduational level either, but as times do change, that too is changing.

At the very least I think that it is best to have some basic training in a trade of some sort that is in an area that does well in just about any economy. I got to places in my career that I could not get to in these times. So looking at someone who did well despite not having an education, isn't a good way to go these days.

Edcuation does not mean worth of a person, but it sure does help. I have known some educated people with very little common sense, but they had the common sense to get an education. Everything feeds into something else and it is best to be well fed in life... however you bring that about.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/4/2009 5:19:20 AM

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In all aspects of life, education is critical.

I would not rule out a submissive who had left school and then gone on to do something amazing like become a jungle guide with the Peace Corps, but, you are young and still looking to figure out what you want.

I can not imagine anything more self destructive than putting aside your education at this juncture in the hopes that some Dom will just take care of you forever. That is a way to make yourself completely dependent (in the bad way) on the whims of another. In the bad way means that even if it goes badly, you feel you have to stay becuse you have no other options.

From your profile, it is clear that you know how to write well and that you are intelligent.

Take a deep breath. Get a GED. It is not hard to do andit will not be hard for you based on how well you write.

Get yourself into college.

It is one thing to have a submissive who surrenders by choice. It is another who has one latch on to you because that is what she feels her only economic options are.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/4/2009 5:20:33 AM

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I know more engineers getting laid off than any other sector (construction being the exception) in my area and "circle" of friends/family. I also know some punkass 19 to 24 years olds that never finished high school who design "gaming" programs, they seemingly never shower, groom, eat anything other than pizza and are making a true fortune.

Education, true education, is not only something that comes with a piece of paper or a title. For many people college is the answer, for many others just doing their own thing is what is right for them. No doubt the more you learn about everything is to your benefit, career wise, financially, but of even greater importance is the happiness of learning for learning sake, bettering yourself and having a greater understanding of this fascinating world we live in.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/4/2009 5:20:52 AM

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Don't know about subs and educations - BUT - for everyone, education is important. Unless you can find someone to pay all your expenses for the rest of your life (unlikely) then you need to put yourself in the position of making some decent cash. And most well paying jobs come with demands for "education".

Get thee back to school, get a GED, and enroll in a tech or university. Take out some loans and apply yourself. Find something that interests you.

and why on earth is your nick about your lack of education? Surely there is something positive about you that you could have gone for.

Amen. I really hope that she hears you.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/4/2009 5:29:36 AM

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i have ahigh school diploma when that was all that was needed back in the days.in hindsight,i had rebuffed an older cousin who wanted me to take accounting courses in college so that he could get me a summer job and all.i was always a blue collar guy and then coming down with mono in my second year clinched my decision.So i chose to work instead of receiving a diploma.I have no regrets although i busted my tail for almost 30 years.i don't have to apologize to anyone nor myself.It was the one decision in my life besides saying yes to Mistress Cat that i was always comfortable with.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/4/2009 5:40:23 AM

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~fr~ Why did you drop out? Did you not like the structure of a class room...or are you lazy? If you do not like the structure of a class room, get your GED and do on-the-job training in a field that interests you. If you are simply lazy, no amount of "higher" education will fix that.

I agree with VanessaChaland, we all need to continue learning and growing. College does work for some, but I do not believe it is absolutely necessary to succeed.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/4/2009 5:46:27 AM

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Some for whatever reasons, before online schools and such, could not get an education. I was one of them. I was too ill and as an adult I went to school ten times trying to get what I wanted most in life. An education. My grandmother was an amazing school teacher and many were helped in life because of what she taught them and gave to them. She taught me to read and I determined whether I could go to school or not, I would read a book a day. I am not talking a pamplet either. Up to five hundred pages a day. I was ill and had the time, plus I had a couple lessons in speed reading. I studied anything that interested me and when tested at twenty one I was in second year college in the subjects I liked. Grade school in others! lol I just kept studying on my own.

Still without a degree, educating myself didn't do much when it came to getting certain positions. I couldn't get anything today.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/4/2009 6:57:27 AM

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I think that the BDSM community as a whole is better educated than your average joes.

You're kidding me right?
When it comes to the basic i have to disagree with you. I have never come across as much bad spelling and use of grammar as i have on BDSM websites.

Wow, don't interact with the real world IM much do you? this is only IMHO 1/10th of how bad it is "out there".

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/4/2009 7:06:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: greeneyedreamer

I AGREE Davan. I have friends and people near and dear to my heart who don't have degrees and are brilliant. I just also have people who think they can do MY job better without one and constantly tell me. I laugh it's the I coulda been... I coulda went to college, I coulda made more money... etc.

As far as your skating through school, you must be smarter than me! LOL I also went to school years ago when there weren't COMPUTERS! LOL oh my... no internet.... research on microfilm. AWFUL!!!

Well... I am done...

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Lol, I finished my Bachelors in '96; computers were just starting to be used broadly (I refused to learn to really use a computer until I got hired at a software company shortly after graduation) and by '99, when I completed my Masters (I took over a year off in between), they were substantially more in use but nothing like they are now: no researching with the ease and flow with which current search engines gift us. Plus, I am an avowed nerd, so following research trails is fun for me.
Davan

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/4/2009 7:07:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: angelic

~fr~ Why did you drop out? Did you not like the structure of a class room...or are you lazy? If you do not like the structure of a class room, get your GED and do on-the-job training in a field that interests you. If you are simply lazy, no amount of "higher" education will fix that.

I agree with VanessaChaland, we all need to continue learning and growing. College does work for some, but I do not believe it is absolutely necessary to succeed.

It is My assumption that you are responding to the OP and not chezz's post?

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/4/2009 7:23:45 AM

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I think with the economy and scarce jobs (not much in my area), it would be best to prepare for your future. Getting an education provides a cushion so to speak to assist in getting a job. Going to school, no matter what level takes alot of discipline in every aspect of your life. You just dont get that diploma or degree, you learn how to be responsible, frugal, the negative results of procrastination, and so much more. You also learn, that you can survive on ramen noodles. lol.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/4/2009 7:32:39 AM

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Op, another thought. As part of my work, I help people get back to work. I can't really express strongly enough, from a practical viewpoint, how much of an impediment someone not having a GED or HS diploma is. It really doesn't matter where it's from. I may get some heat on this but there are places (Such as Continental Academy; google it) where you are essentially spoon-fed what you need and that, along with less than $400 puts a diploma in your hand. If you have educational challenges, there are all sorts of Adult Basic Education classes (Check out your local community college) and even life-skills GED's for people who can not pass a standard GED test.
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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/4/2009 11:51:22 AM

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At the very least you should get your GED due to the times we're living in. My stepbrother's mother is a grown woman without a job and without a GED/HS diploma. All she ever does is mooch off my Stepdad, and I will tell you this right now -- there is nothing more pathetic than that. You don't want to end up like this woman, trust me. At the very least getting a GED or finishing HS will put you in a better position to get a job so that you can stand on your own two feet. Most sane Doms would say this is very important. If things go wrong, you have to be able to support yourself.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/4/2009 12:00:47 PM

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~fr~

Go back to school so you can learn how to learn. If D/s is your goal for a relationship you are going to have to learn stuff, lots of stuff and continue to learn to keep that relationship thriving. High school gives you facts, higher education starts teaching you how to learn. No idea why it is so backwards but that is how the education system works here, so go with it and learn how to learn.

A sub that can't retain information, learn new thought patterns, and acquire new skills is going to struggle constantly just to manage the outward aspects of submission let alone the inner journey.

Oh yeah, and school teaches a lot about how to communicate. so yeah, it is something a submissive NEEDS to learn. Just check the threads from days past and see how important it is to be able to communicate and use logic.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/4/2009 12:09:31 PM

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College sucks... but is important

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/4/2009 1:20:40 PM

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i never really have gone on to anything after highschool

High school is written as two words.

Anyway - education is important but overrated. Some well known achievers never finished academically, others never got anywhere for lack of credentials. One thing it does not have anything to do with is whether one is submissive or otherwise interested.

It has been said that some with a lack of education compensate for this by working harder and achieving more. That's not for everybody, though. Me, I think you should do what feels good, and understand that most of what a person learns, over time, does not come from education.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/4/2009 3:39:11 PM

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I love bdsm, and submissives/slaves, but I don't want a paperweight. Ok, so I'm your master, cool, fine... I'll look after you, and take care of you etc, and beat the hell out of you when you're bad, but I don't want someone whos going to ride my coat tails through life. I want someone that I can also have intelligent conversations with, someone who will get out and work and help afford all the fun things in life. I'm 21, I still have a lot of years in front of me, god willing, but I have an associates degree. However, I'm trying to get into a line of work that has NO relation to my degree, and I'm struggling. I fear for you if you don't even have a GED. Higer education is a personal choice, some do, some don't. You can get a decent job without a degree, but without even a GED... I'd be surprised if you could get a retail job.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/4/2009 5:28:16 PM

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I think it's more of a matter of intelligence verse education. Most intelligent submissives seem to learn and pick up on things quickly whatever topic or subject it is. Some are just a dumb as a box full of rocks. Having a College degree really does not make one more intelligent compared to somebody else. In fact some people are nothing more than certified idiots that had a passing grade point average. Does not make them any brighter or better at what they really do.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/4/2009 5:45:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: HSdropout19

I as i talk about in my profile, i never really have gone on to anything after highschool and didnt even finish there. just curious to hear some opinions.

Well....admitting it is one thing...but do keep in mind.....

You have tits.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/4/2009 8:17:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: greeneyedreamer

Please don't take this the wrong way... it's not meant to be bitchy, but we all worked VERY HARD to get those pieces of paper. We didn't BUY them we WORKED for them.

No offense, greeneyedreamer, but somebody did very much buy them. They are quite expensive, and as such, can be considered a commodity, with all that that can imply.

As for the HARD WORK; I certainly do not dispute that.

I will point out, though, that everyone has had to work hard.

I'm not saying education is bad. I'd far prefer a doctor with a formal education to a self-taught one if I had to be operated on, for example.

I am saying that in *some* instances, however, too much emphasis is placed on that bit of paper.

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You may have educated yourself. SO go take college courses and see how you measure up. I am sure you will... You can do it too!

I would consider it if I could see the college course connecting with something that I'd like to do, but I don't see that right now. My interests are a little eclectic at the moment.

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