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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/5/2009 7:33:06 AM

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I as i talk about in my profile, i never really have gone on to anything after highschool and didnt even finish there. just curious to hear some opinions.

There's a term I first heard my brother use..."educated idiots". It refers to those folks who have tons of education and no smarts. Learning is about more than what you get from textbooks. I have two degrees and quite a bit of post-doctoral certification. I also know how to relate to people and how to learn without walking into a classroom. I didn't learn about D/s and BDSM by going to class...I studied the resources available, the texts, those I recognized as leaders in the local communities, those who made the most sense in forums such as this. I didn't learn to maintain my hot rods in a classroom, I learned from my brother...the same brother I spoke of earlier. He is an executive officer with an oil company who is relied on for what he has learned in his years of work, not for his college degrees...he doesn't have any. But the one thing my parents gave us was a thirst for knowledge and we went about getting it...two differing routes but we got there.

Do I care how many college degrees my submissive has? No. Do I care whether or not she has gained enough knowledge to be able to deal with me and get to where she wants to get in her world and be a viable portion of the support of our house? You bet I do...

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/5/2009 10:58:07 AM

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i should have said degree...i have a diploma but not a degree..my bad..sorry for the misinterpretation.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/5/2009 11:34:33 AM

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Your fine, I would say there is no great standard. I have noticed atleast for people around my age submissives and slaves want Doms that are at their level of education or greater.

I would argue a HS degree would be a minimun for a Dominant, just beause most living situations I know of that is who has to/ gets to play bread winner. And it helps the more education one has.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/5/2009 9:16:31 PM

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Lol, I finished my Bachelors in '96; computers were just starting to be used broadly (I refused to learn to really use a computer until I got hired at a software company shortly after graduation) and by '99, when I completed my Masters (I took over a year off in between), they were substantially more in use but nothing like they are now: no researching with the ease and flow with which current search engines gift us. Plus, I am an avowed nerd, so following research trails is fun for me.
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LOL Listen I got my BS in 78 COMPUTERS weren't really invented except to fill a room! LOL not exactly personal... grins... and my M.Ed in 01 was 10000 times easier because of a computer... so

::: BIG Grins From the OLD Lady! Shakes her head degree in 96 lol I have shoes older than him... :::

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/6/2009 12:50:04 AM

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creativedom put in some very good points imo. Some I agree with, some not as much. I very much agree, that a college degree is useless if you don't have the common sense/ street smarts to go with it. A friend of my sisters, as an example, took college calculus in 9th grade etc etc, on paper an extremely intelligent girl, but she was dumb as a box of rocks. Theres a lot to be said for personal knowledge that you've picked up over the years, and yes, 15 years ago maybe you could make it to the top of a company with only a hs diploma, but currently (and I say this as a young guy currently trying to find a job) there is a high demand for college degrees. As far as I'm aware, you can't even join the army and fight for your country if you don't have a HS diploma. Who wants to hire someone that wouldn't even put in the work to graduate from high school? what does that say about your work ethic? I mean really, if you think high school is the hardest thing you'll ever do, get ready for a rude awakening. But then, I guess some people are happy with minimum wage.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/6/2009 1:23:44 AM

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I took my licensing examinations and ran pubs

Goo. I always wanted a sub who could run my pub

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/6/2009 1:24:22 AM

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I left school at 15 with only 3 basic exams. I was told by the teachers and career advisors that I would end up working behind a shop counter if I didn't stay on in education. I left anyway. By the age of 21 I was project managing a computer installation at a hospital in Singapore. I then spent years travelling the world working in various finance and IT roles before becoming a Finance Director for an IT company. I have had various management roles in the media field. Obviously I have not worked for the last year due to my illness and have had concerns recently regarding going back to work in the current economic climet, however over the last month I have been contacted by 2 seperate employment agencies that I have worked for in the past wanting to know when I will be able to go back to work as they want me to fill some roles they have.

Having no qualifications has never held me back.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/6/2009 2:05:07 AM

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I agree with those that have said that intelligence is far more important tha education. I live in a university town here in the UK and the place is crawling with educated idiots that have plenty of brains but no common sense.

I also find an intelligent and articulate man very sexy and assume that it's probably the same for a lot of men, be they Doms or vanilla.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/6/2009 6:01:22 AM

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OP:

Do you want to be an uneducated person, with all the social stigma and snubbing that comes with it? Do you want to have to work even harder to prove that you can do a job over someone that has a HS diploma or an A.A(S)?

To everyone else, is it better to be surrounded by educated idiots or uneducated idiots?

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/6/2009 8:51:17 AM

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Without having read all the pages of replies, and have had consider this quite a bit, I came to this conclusion.

Education for a sub/slave is very important, if there is a formalized class for a certain topic, and I want my girl to learn about it to fill in gaps in her knowledge, then I would want her to take the class. Lotsa stuff out there in the college arena that would be quite useful.

Also, in general, career-wise? I'll make it simple, a hiring manager would feel less fear hiring some one with a degree in a desired field than hiring some one with lots of experience in the same field. You aren't likely to get fired for hiring some one with a degree. It sucks, it's lazy, but it's often true. I learned that the hard way, and since I'm late in the game, the lesson will continue until I master it. :)

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ORIGINAL: HSdropout19

I as i talk about in my profile, i never really have gone on to anything after highschool and didnt even finish there. just curious to hear some opinions.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/6/2009 10:17:39 AM

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i look at it this way..you OP have to choices...you can either sit back and read all that we all have to say and do nothing ..go on about your merry lil' way and pretend that we dont know jack about what is going on with you that none of us would understand or could possibly cope or yadda dadda whatevers and what nots...or....

you can pick up where you left of go back to school..if an alternatice school is a available in your area go to it...most offer work at your own pace..in other words you graduate as quick as you work..or as slow as you feel like going..unless ofcourse you wanna' go back to h.s.....but get your diploma or a ged. its not hard takes a few hours out of your day. i dropped out at 16 (got preggers) and got my ged at 21....

i do better at hands on.....but not everyone wants to be able to ...clean hotel rooms, drive forklift, minor engine repair, tile floors, remodel houses, roof a house, train dogs, clean/adjust hot tubs/pools, minor welding, run jackhammers, some leather work, lab techy type thingies, sew, find food in the middle of the desert/woods..(seriously if i tell you to eat the red berries...run...you must of made me mad...)....ooohh and strip..always a good one to fall back on...

yes i think education is important. its nice to be able to have a convo with someone..but then agian i do like not knowing a bunch of things..cause if i did..why would i ask questions of those around me which normally leads to a big ol' discussion that i can sit back and listen and learn..or zone out as the case usually is if i cant keep my head in the convo...or i'm tired cause i was up working graveyard for 12 hours in a male dominated feild..and not even the good way the ..girl..you in trouble now type...but as in..one wrong step and im history cause these guys dont want to work with a female in their plant. period. soo i guess its up to you to decide..work hard in school or work hard in life???

orrr...sit back and be pretty..let the world take care of you..you deserve it right?? as my step mom used to say...young dumb and full of cum...or was it free white and 21??

(is far to tired,lazy and sleepy to go and double check spelling at this point..would do so later when im awake but will only forget) *smiles and waves*

ohh and heres a lil' convo i had one day.....all becasuse of my favorite quote......

"Imagination is far more important than knowledge" Albert Einstein

"...yes but he's a genius and can say that..." my friend yukari..
"if hes such a genius he would fix that bloody atom he broke" me...
"..ummm..you know hes dead right????" my friend yukari
" see not so smart..he would of solved that lil' problem as well...." me

(cut out most of the rambling...it was wayyyy longer before ..lol)

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/6/2009 12:12:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: susie
...Having no qualifications has never held me back.

I think this used to be more possible previously.

My dad was one of those people who started out sweeping the shop floor and ended up being a head engineer where he worked. I'm not sure if it happens like that very much anymore.

Part of my earlier objection is/was sour grapes because things have changed where I work;
they used to hire and promote internally to some degree, so that one could work one's way up if one wanted, but a few years ago started to go away from that.

Now, promotion isn't based on job performance, it's much more heavily weighted by exterior qualifications.

There were complaints about the fairness of promoting from within, and now there are so many people applying from all over the country, that they actually have a lottery among qualifying applicants to decide who will get to take initial qualifying tests.

"Entry level" jobs are starting to be more like "dead end" jobs.

Another phenomenon is a plethora of "over qualified" people ending up in entry level positions, where they sometimes bitch and moan about having to do some of the less glamorous work.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/6/2009 12:43:02 PM

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This post has been bouncing around in my head for most of the day, and I can’t quite work out what it is that sets me on edge about it quite so much. So, I’ll do what I usually do when such things occur, I’ll waffle about it until some point becomes clear.
I left school at 14, for the main reason that it bored me, and I really didn’t enjoy school, at all. After much ado from the school any my parents I went back to take my mock exams. I passed every one, including getting top of the year for physics and maths, that was my last day of school. Since then I have attempted to take two University degrees, the first one I did two and a bit years in, the second just over a year. I have finally come to the conclusion that I am not intended for sitting in a classroom learning.
In my experience lack of (formal) education has never held me back, I have an exceptionally good job, and am absolutely excited about my future prospects. I have a dream that is my future and I am very actively hunting it down. However I believe that this is purely due to the fact that I am exceptionally intelligent and find ways to achieve the things that other’s would need formal qualifications to prove.
My current vocation is I.T. an area where formal qualifications mean exceptionally little (apart from very narrow fields) this is because formal qualifications rarely have anything to do with real world computing. In that area experience and intelligence are considerably more useful than a piece of paper.
However the world isn’t always this black and white, and I think this is a part that annoys me somewhat. I see a lot of posts in this thread of people playing the politically correct everybody is intelligent in different ways card. Personally I think that is absolute tosh. There are some exceptionally intelligent people, and there are some exceptionally dumb people. And for every person you can point out there will be someone more, and someone less, intelligent than they are. The thing we hope to find is somebody on the same level as us. If you have an IQ of 50 (I don’t like IQ test, but that’s a different argument, for this it serves a demonstrative purpose) then find someone with a similar IQ and you’ll probably be fine. Get with someone with an IQ of 150 and you’re probably going to have issues. (unless there are other things to counter the difference)
I’ve no idea of the OP’s level of intelligence just because she dropped out of school doesn’t mean she is stupid, but neither does it mean she is clever. It just means she dropped out of school, if she can find a life that appeals to her with what she’s got then go for it. To blanket say get an education is a nonsense though, because some people just don’t want that.
Use what you have, get what you can get, make your own life out of that, and everything will figure out along the way.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/6/2009 3:36:36 PM

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Here's the deal for me: I want someone who is curious about the world and wants to learn and explore; I want someone who is intelligent, in that they have the desire and capacity to learn and intuit new things; I want someone who can clearly express thoughts verbally and through writing; I want someone that I can learn from and with, who will open new worlds for me as I open new worlds for them; I want someone that I can converse with about a myriad of things and who can hold-up their end of the discussion.

Does the person need to have a diploma? Nope. However, the degree does show that a person has at least some stick-to-itness, and that does please me. It's also been my experience that the people with the degrees (in general) tend to be better able to express themselves; on the other hand, I have people in my life who never finished high school and are incredibly literate, aware, curious, and knowledgeable about the most fascinating things - so such general statements should be taken as such, not as statements of fact.

(I do seem to have a *thing* for engineers, but that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish.)

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/6/2009 4:15:04 PM

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What I have found after being in the job market since I was 13[now 51] is that tacking a 4 year degree on you means a chance at a well paying job" Does it make you any smarter..I really don't think it does..But at least you get a chance at the job to begin with.
As for playing chess...I've beaten the chess teacher at university in Edinburgh,Scotland
And I only have an Associate Degree..whats more I didn't have it then either! Education refines Raw intellengce..I't doesn't make it any higher
As for being a better submissive...If it makes you feel better thats good! If it makes your master happy, thats great! Frankly, It might give you better tools to define yourself with with your role of submissive; Just remember to follow what works for you in your submissiveness..and stick with it...Huntertn

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/7/2009 12:27:33 PM

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One of the best things education did for me was enable me to survive and raise two um's to adulthood. And that is no small feat! Couldn't have done it without the job that that education gave me.
And yes, there are those who have not received any formal education and have gone on to conquour the world - but gosh - they would be in the small minority!

One of my ums has an anxiety disorder along with ADD - and gee - guess what? She didn't do well at high school!???!!!!! Dropped out and stayed in the house (literally) for six months.... finally agreed to take meds, and then - i pushed her back to get her GED, and her drivers license. She should be starting college soon - pushed by the fact that she can't get more than a minimum wage, that doesn't give yearly raises. Her anxieties have something to do with not having started before now.

The way i see it, education is a necessary evil to get what you want - a job that you actually enjoy, with a wage that you can live on. If you enjoy the process of education, so much the better, but it isn't necessary to the end goal. Suffer through the process, do what ever you have to do to get that piece of paper, then get on with the rest of your life!

Just remember in 20 years you will be 39 - wheither or not you have a formal education - but one way you will have assets, and one way you won't.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/7/2009 2:14:07 PM

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I will not become financially dependent on someone. In my opinion, money matters can be poison to a relationship. That said, It's a lot easier to make my dominant happy if I'm not worn down from work all the time, or constantly worried about money matters. It's much harder to be financially secure without a degree therefore, much harder to make my dom happy while keeping my sanity without something to show for an education.

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RE: How important is education for submissives? - 3/7/2009 7:19:55 PM

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What would YOU like to learn? Beyond job advancement - which often has more to do with people smarts than book smarts - you should explore what you feel passionate about learning. It does not even need to be in a school environment.

In later years, I have usually been more highly educated than my partners - but, then, I also barely graduated from high school back at the time. None of it matters except that you are engaging your mind on the level that you desire.

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