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RE: Afghanistan - 3/9/2009 9:27:21 PM   
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Robert "Grand Cyclops" Byrd isn't a liberal?  Ken, c'mon man....the guy has been described as the historian of the Democratic Party.  I don't know if you've ever been through West Virginia; half of it is named after this asshole. 

Byrd is not a liberal.

Byrd supported various attempts to undermine the right to privacy. He supported the appointments of both Roberts and Alito. He opposes gays serving in the military. He opposes affirmative action. He supports capital punishment. He supports anti flag burning laws.

He may not be far enough right to be welcome in the GOP but he is definitely not a liberal.

I live in west Va and have watched KKK Byrd for some time.
I would have to see pretty detailed research on his supposed anti- affirmative action stance.There may have been one vote on some far-reaching bill that can be so construed. Ditto on capital punishment. He doesn't stray too far too often from the Dim line when it's time to vote.
He for a fact is one of the true posterboys for earmarks; he DOES know how to bring home that federal bacon. The guy has voted consistently for every Dim social program and spending bill. He is a typical liberal tax-and-spend Dim.
On what I consider to be the two most important social issues of our time- certainly the most ociferously debated, protested, legislated, and challenged issues; certainly the two that have raised the most money for their proponents and detractors- abortion and gun control- he is a perfect liberal. In a state with the highest pro rata issuance of hunting licenses, and one of the highest CCW and gun-ownership ratios, this champion gun-grabber has stayed in office at least two decades past the onset of senility/alzheimers by nothing more than spending the nations money by the trainload on buildings in WV.  We really do have nice Post Orifices He has, to my knowledge, never supported any restriction on abortion. He has voted for every version of every anti-gun bill that was put before him. 
He is also great at providing the troops with the useless type of lip service while cutting military budgets(see above: taxandspend Dim, esp Carter).
If Robert C KKK Byrd isn't a fracking liberal, who is?
Matter of fact, DK, can you just name 5- just 5, no need to go wild and crazy- serving Senators you think are liberals, just to give us a basis for comparison?

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RE: Afghanistan - 3/9/2009 9:30:13 PM   
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Lets bring home our Military from Korea and Germany over 200, 000 troops

What do you suppose the long-term repercussions of that would be?

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RE: Afghanistan - 3/9/2009 10:14:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		What are the usual consequences when evil triumphs over the west?   
 
http://www.ichiban1.org/html/history/1975_present_postwar/the_aftermath_1975_1978.htm

Per UC Berkeley demographer, Jacqueline Desbarats' article "Repression in the Socialist Republic of Vietnam: Executions and Population Relocation," research show an extremely strong probability that at least 65,000 Vietnamese perished as victims of political executions in the eight years after Saigon fell. Desbarats and associate Karl Jackson only counted executions eyewitnessed by refugees in the USA and France to project the rate of killings for the population remaining in Vietnam, and so discarded about two-thirds of the political death reports received, so their figures are likely very conservative. Their death count did not include victims of starvation, disease, exhaustion, suicide or "accident" (injuries sustained in clearing minefields, for example). Nor did they count Vietnamese who inexplicably "disappeared."
...A massive exodus from Vietnam began with the change in government; eventually, 2 million people tried to escape.

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RE: Afghanistan - 3/10/2009 6:16:02 AM   
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What are the usual consequences when evil triumphs over the west?   

http://www.ichiban1.org/html/history/1975_present_postwar/the_aftermath_1975_1978.htm

Per UC Berkeley demographer, Jacqueline Desbarats' article "Repression in the Socialist Republic of Vietnam: Executions and Population Relocation," research show an extremely strong probability that at least 65,000 Vietnamese perished as victims of political executions in the eight years after Saigon fell. Desbarats and associate Karl Jackson only counted executions eyewitnessed by refugees in the USA and France to project the rate of killings for the population remaining in Vietnam, and so discarded about two-thirds of the political death reports received, so their figures are likely very conservative. Their death count did not include victims of starvation, disease, exhaustion, suicide or "accident" (injuries sustained in clearing minefields, for example). Nor did they count Vietnamese who inexplicably "disappeared."
...A massive exodus from Vietnam began with the change in government; eventually, 2 million people tried to escape.

IMO the sadder consequence was the horror of Cambodia.

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RE: Afghanistan - 3/10/2009 2:31:40 PM   
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You may have heard of a man named J. Edgar Hoover????  If you know anything about history then you know what he was willing and able to do ;)

  You may have heard he was a crooked bastard that abused the privelege of his job, and had no conscience concerning lying or falsifying documents to "get his man".  If this is your example....you may not want to go about endorsing any particular party or ideology.  Hoover's not one to look back on with  a sense of nostalgia. 



It's like saying "Ah...remember the good days when Stalin was in power?"

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RE: Afghanistan - 3/10/2009 2:35:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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Lets bring home our Military from Korea and Germany over 200, 000 troops

What do you suppose the long-term repercussions of that would be?

Well, for one, it would be a hit to the economy of those countries.  Let's face it.  Soldiers spend money in the places they are deployed.  Same bucks could be spent here, or there could be fewer in the military to help our national budget.

There's also that small thing about having fathers, mothers, husbands, wives, sons and daughters home with their families. 


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RE: Afghanistan - 3/10/2009 7:02:19 PM   
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state OPINIONS like fact, much???? ;)



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You may have heard of a man named J. Edgar Hoover????  If you know anything about history then you know what he was willing and able to do ;)

  You may have heard he was a crooked bastard that abused the privelege of his job, and had no conscience concerning lying or falsifying documents to "get his man".  If this is your example....you may not want to go about endorsing any particular party or ideology.  Hoover's not one to look back on with  a sense of nostalgia. 



It's like saying "Ah...remember the good days when Stalin was in power?"

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RE: Afghanistan - 3/10/2009 7:10:33 PM   
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< Message edited by lronitulstahp -- 3/10/2009 7:11:00 PM >

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RE: Afghanistan - 3/10/2009 7:55:48 PM   
MasterShake69


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Status: offline 		Let me ask you if i took my"time machine" and put George Bush back before  WW II do you think he would have a problem with what Roosevelt and Hoover did???? ;)
since you were unable or unwilling to read it the first time let me highlight some key words for you ;)
after reading it do you still think Roosevelt would have a problem with GITMO????
Oh and enjoy the link for far more details about what occured during Roosevelt.


http://www.foitimes.com/internment/Books.htm

No charges are made; no legal counsel is allowed. Newspapers fill with stories of espionage and enemies. Current events? No. During World War II, the United States used tactics remarkably similar to those in use today against presumed terrorists. By 1939, President Franklin Roosevelt had covertly authorized J. Edgar Hoover’s Secret Intelligence Service to begin surveillance of Axis nationals in Latin America. Believing that “all German nationals without exception [are] dangerous,” the United States surreptitiously pressured Latin-American countries to arrest and deport more than four thousand civilians of German ethnicity to the United States. There, many languished in internment camps, while others were shipped to war-torn Germany.

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What i said about Hoover was fact....what you imagine on your magical time machine journey is supposition....do you get the difference?

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RE: Afghanistan - 3/10/2009 8:52:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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Lets bring home our Military from Korea and Germany over 200, 000 troops

What do you suppose the long-term repercussions of that would be?

Well, for one, it would be a hit to the economy of those countries.  Let's face it.  Soldiers spend money in the places they are deployed.  Same bucks could be spent here, or there could be fewer in the military to help our national budget.

There's also that small thing about having fathers, mothers, husbands, wives, sons and daughters home with their families. 


I'm going to assume your reply was serious.
May I rephrase the question?
If we pulled our troops from South Korea and Germany, what do think the long-term consequences, aside from the lpss of American capital, to South Korea, Asia, Germany, and Europe? Specifically, would said removal make the aforementioned areas safer or less safe, and by what degree? Even more specifically, how many tens or hundreds of thousands of  Asians would die as a result of said pullout?

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RE: Afghanistan - 3/10/2009 9:14:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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Lets bring home our Military from Korea and Germany over 200, 000 troops

What do you suppose the long-term repercussions of that would be?
Saving one fuck of a lot of money.

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RE: Afghanistan - 3/11/2009 1:49:59 AM   
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RE: Afghanistan - 3/11/2009 5:19:25 AM   
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RE: Afghanistan - 3/11/2009 5:26:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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ORIGINAL: CraZYWiLLiE
Lets bring home our Military from Korea and Germany over 200, 000 troops

What do you suppose the long-term repercussions of that would be?
Saving one fuck of a lot of money.

I'm going to assume your reply was serious.
May I rephrase the question?
If we pulled our troops from South Korea and Germany, what do think the long-term consequences would be to South Korea, Asia, Germany, and Europe? Specifically, would said removal make the aforementioned areas safer or less safe, and by what degree? Even more specifically, how many tens or hundreds of thousands of  Asians would die as a result of said pullout?


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RE: Afghanistan - 3/11/2009 6:50:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		      Maybe one of our history buffs can enlighten me.  What is the longest western Europe has gone without a ground war in the last 1000 years or so?  Is the 64 years we've been hanging out any sort of record?

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RE: Afghanistan - 3/11/2009 8:25:23 AM   
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     Maybe one of our history buffs can enlighten me.  What is the longest western Europe has gone without a ground war in the last 1000 years or so?  Is the 64 years we've been hanging out any sort of record?

It would be if Europe hadn't had a couple of ground wars in that time. However if we take the period between VE day and the beginning of the Serbia Croatia fighting during the Jugoslavia breakup that is one of the longest if not the longest stretch of peace the continent has seen in a long time.

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RE: Afghanistan - 3/11/2009 10:37:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		even the great Robert F Kennedy supported wiretaps.  I beleive he had Martin Luther King wire taped. ;)

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0377/is_2003_Summer/ai_104136475

with the official authorization of Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, wiretapped King's phones. Some of these records are still under government seal, but we already know a great deal about what the FBI unearthed, since the agency at the time shared its findings with journalists and congressmen. In its campaign against King, the FBI went so far as to send King a tape recording of one of his supposed trysts and a letter encouraging him to take his own life. However, little of the damaging information was revealed publicly. In the 1950s and 1960s, journalists operated under certain unstated rules of decorum as well as a general sense of the inviolability of the private lives of public figures. Ironically, it is only as a result of the scholarship of well-meaning historians--all defenders of the King legacy--that today we know as much as we do about King's private life. The unheroic side of King's life must be examined, but if this were all we knew of King, or mainly what we knew of him, then we would know very little. The "real" King strived to keep his private life private, and was, by many accounts, deeply ashamed of his infidelities. The real King made his mark in American history not by being a countercultural rebel or by parading his "life style" before the public but through his oratory and politics. If we were to know only the "human" King, to borrow Garrow's locution, we would misunderstand King. We would also give Hoover a posthumous victory, for it was Hoover's most cherished aim to drown out King's public words and deeds under the shame of his private doings. Indeed, our fascination with King's intimate life may tell us more about ourselves, and our own sense of what is important, than it does about the "real" King and what he considered highest in life.


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RE: Afghanistan - 3/11/2009 11:24:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		afghanistan's,have been fighting since the beginning of time , we can not win there no outside force can win there , the afgans who ever  they are and by whatever name will fight for ever,nothing changes.sure they may lay low for a while , then they come back ,thats the way they fight its the way it is ,was and will be in afghanistan for EVER

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RE: Afghanistan - 3/11/2009 9:07:44 PM   
MasterShake69


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Status: offline 		what would be considered winning in Afghanistan?

the Taliban defeated and a democracy established?

or would it be Binladen dead and the Taliban defeated?

or would it be Binalden dead and a democracy established?

or would it be Bin Laden dead, the Taliban dead and a democracy established?

Or would it be having all our enemies dead in Afghanistan, N Pakistan including bin laden and al queda plus having a democracy thriving in both nations?





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RE: Afghanistan - 3/11/2009 9:14:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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ORIGINAL: CraZYWiLLiE
Lets bring home our Military from Korea and Germany over 200, 000 troops

What do you suppose the long-term repercussions of that would be?

Well, for one, it would be a hit to the economy of those countries.  Let's face it.  Soldiers spend money in the places they are deployed.  Same bucks could be spent here, or there could be fewer in the military to help our national budget.

There's also that small thing about having fathers, mothers, husbands, wives, sons and daughters home with their families. 


I'm going to assume your reply was serious.
May I rephrase the question?
If we pulled our troops from South Korea and Germany, what do think the long-term consequences, aside from the lpss of American capital, to South Korea, Asia, Germany, and Europe? Specifically, would said removal make the aforementioned areas safer or less safe, and by what degree? Even more specifically, how many tens or hundreds of thousands of  Asians would die as a result of said pullout?



My reply was absolutely serious.

Now, let's ask you a question.  Since you mention how many Asian lives might be lost.  (Happens to be BS, btw.)

What are the lives of the members  of your family worth to you?  One?  Ten?  A hundred?  Thousands?

I know how many American families would be reunited.  I know how many American lives would be saved.  All of them.


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