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barelynangel -> RE: have You ever helped a sub with weight loss? (3/9/2009 5:22:49 PM)
Umm just out of curiosity for all of the people who are so negative about a slave or sub looking for help and incentive and ultimately support from someone important in their life which is usually their Master or Dom, you do realize there are PLACES such as weight watchers, LA weight loss, Jenny Craig etc that people look to for HELP and support etc to lose weight and yes accountibility, so what i don't get is why such negativity and pessimism because a slave or sub may need the help and support and yeah control and guidance from well hell THEIR DOM. Maybe i am misreading what people are saying or implying but I mean someone can sit there forever crying but what if you break up and you gain weight back, or what if he stops and you don't have the wear withall to continue it on your own. I mean seriously, that to me is beyond a ridiculous reason for a slave or sub to NOT look to their dom for guidance and control, because god forbid you can utilize him, his guidance and control and ability to effect you and master you to lose 50 lbs and worry about gaining it back IF the what if's occur. Many times slaves and subs NEED the dynamic and its not always a concept of want. Many thrive in such relationships because its not a want but because they suck at self-discipline or self-motivation, or alone they tend to be more irresponsible than not. I mean to me, if a person who calls themselves a slave or sub are seriously capable of making all the right decisions on their own and totally are absolutely responsible and self-sufficient in all this i am such the adult responsibilities -- seriously, why the heck would you want a dom? To humor him? I don't really need you to be in control and a dominant presence in my life, but i will let you think i do. To me, most slaves -- have no clue about subs, but MOST slaves kinda suck at running their own lives and they do a hell of a lot better under the control and having their autonomy under a will of another and well -- ya know, that is quite okay. Not everyone is capable of being independent and many people especially slaves thrive in the dynamic because they NEED someone to maintain what they are incapable of doing well on their own. I had a Master when i was a slave who forced me to maintain a certain weight and physical shape or else he would beat my ass and my life would be focused on a restricted diet and working out. It damn well worked well for me because of his control and you know what, i wasn't too concerned during that time with saying but Master if you help me now and i reach the goals where i look like the BOMB, which i did,what about when you aren't around. Maybe i should not adhere to your control of this because i mean hell in 7 years (which is how long i was with him) i could becom free and not maintain my weight. So instead of spending 7 years having the advantage of a Man determining my weight, shape, food, and exercise and looking damn good, i should have not considered it because of what happened 7 years down the road where yes, i have gained weight and my own self-determination to maintain an exercise program sucks to the point i am now out of shape. While at times i resented the accoutibility and having to maintain what HE found beautiful, i know i looked damn good and felt awesome, and you know, i wish i had that type of control in my life now -- but i know I personally am incapable of achieving such control and discipline on my own, and i miss the results he created in me. OP, many Masters i know will not really give a damn if their sub wants to lose weight or look good or be in shape, they don't want to do the work it entails and are lazy and simply accept a slave even if he knows she can be more with a little work on his part, IF you have a dom who will work with you to achieve the goal you want even if you can't on you own, DO IT. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF his control, your desire to please him and use him to achieve some goals you may want to achieve but may not be ready to do it on your own, USE HIM because you live for today, and if he can get you to goals you can enjoy the results for a while and deal with the future IF it comes along. Hell for all you know, he and yourself may be together for years and years and you can reach your goal weight and be in shape for years because of his control and demands and his ability to utilize your dynamic to have you achieve same. 10 years down the road if things don't work out, you can deal with the what ifs then. Maybe i am reading people wrong lol but it seems ridiculous to me to tell someone to stay fat and don't ask the dom or Master to utilize the dynamic to achieve a goal all because of what if's that may never come to pass because they are willing to admit they suck at doing it on their own. Hell, there have been times because i know the dynamic works when i do things for a Man, i have almost been tempted to sign up with a DOM to have him help me lose weight using the dynamic. angel

StrongSpirit -> RE: have You ever helped a sub with weight loss? (3/9/2009 5:55:34 PM)
You can't control, the eating. Unless you have a 24/7 cage on their head. People will eat in their sleep if they don't really want to diet. You can control the exercise. The trick is to actually do it with them. All of the exercise. Basically, you become their physical trainer. They may simply trade fat for muscle, but that is not a bad thing. It will make them healthier, even if they don't lose the weight.

JulieElizabeth -> RE: have You ever helped a sub with weight loss? (3/9/2009 6:29:38 PM)
thanks for your post angel. i really appreciate it. my Dom is helping me right now with assignments and i feel really good about myself. the hardest thing for me is to get back on that exercise wagon..once i'm on it i feel great and have no problems keeping up with a routine.

subangi -> RE: have You ever helped a sub with weight loss? (3/9/2009 6:37:07 PM)
You have written one of the most wonderful posts I have read on here. Thank you.

AquaticSub -> RE: have You ever helped a sub with weight loss? (3/9/2009 6:49:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel Umm just out of curiosity for all of the people who are so negative about a slave or sub looking for help and incentive and ultimately support from someone important in their life which is usually their Master or Dom, you do realize there are PLACES such as weight watchers, LA weight loss, Jenny Craig etc that people look to for HELP and support etc to lose weight and yes accountibility, so what i don't get is why such negativity and pessimism because a slave or sub may need the help and support and yeah control and guidance from well hell THEIR DOM. I think you are misreading. You are definately misreading me 100 percent. Weight Watchers encourages you to get support from everyone around you and that would include your dom. But the drive still has to come from within, which is why I question anyone who is going to make their dom a driving force in their weight loss. Weight Watchers, for sake of arguement, will still be there when your owner decides he wants a new toy and you are old news and you want to bury yourself in ice cream. Now, before anyone takes that personally, shit happens in relationships. I don't think any particular type of shit is going to happen in any specific relationship. But I think it's a consideration that should be weighed realistically. Weight Watchers will also still be for me if Valyraen is killed by a drunk driver on his way home tonight. If he's the one I've been getting everything from the loss of direction plus my grief will probably equal me regaining the weight. Which, in my case, would worsen my emotional state. I'm not saying one's dominant shouldn't be involved. But that I will raise a valid concern regarding a dominant being the main way to lose weight.

barelynangel -> RE: have You ever helped a sub with weight loss? (3/9/2009 7:01:46 PM)
Why would YOU raise a CONCERN about someone who chooses a motivation YOU wouldn't? Why would you even care? Do you seriously see how wrong that mindset is? Maybe you are capable of the ability to do everything for yourself, most slaves are not that self-oriented and they sure aren't that independent in nature. So basically what you are saying is you would RATHER remain fat and unhealthy because god forbid you may gain the weight back at some point because shit happens, instead of using whatever motivation works fo you -- even if it is your current dom, his ability to master you and control you enough that you achieve this goal in the here and now, all because you may gain the weight back in the future??????? Come on lol that is in my book very silly. Hell if i was worried about every negative that could happen in my life -- i wouldn't drive my car to work because i COULD get in an accident, i would spend any money whatsoever because one day i could be broke. I don't personally see your concern as valid, i see it as more of a self-righteous need to be independent and pretend everyone should have the ability to do something for themselves because to depend on someone else could have a negative consequence in the future. Sorry, to me, sometimes in the admitting you can't do something for yourself, you ARE actually doing something for yourself even if it is admitting you need to say lose weight FOR someone else versus yourself because if you left it until you do it fo yourself -- you would never do it. What's more responsible in your eyes? Putting it off until you find something you know you most likely never will -- the will to do it for you or admitting you need to focus on another to accomplish something you want? So to me, your concern would be more detrimental to someone because of your own beliefs, than it is concern for them as a person who may know more about themselves and admit more about themselves than you want to believe of them because you see such dependence as a negative. Its not for everyone, someone like you -- sure from what i have read it is not for you, you need an independent self-need to achieve success, not everyone does and in fact, many slaves do many things in their lives they would NEVER do on their own because of their Masters. And that is okay. If after the Master is gone they revert back, then well they are at square one, but i guess its better to be at square one with SOME success prior than stagnantly waiting for that oh wow i love myself so much i am just gonna do this for me mindset, that a person like me can admit will probably never come. Many people in this world are NOT self-oriented, and i can pretty much guess 86% of slaves are not SELF-oriented in that what they do in their lives they do for themselves. Heck lol if i waited for me to want to do things in my life FOR MYSELF, i would NEVER do anything becaue in my world, i am not the focus. So sorry, i don't see your concern as valid, i see it as self-absorbed in that you figure if it works for you being independent to achieve what you want -- everyone should be capable. And well, they aren't -- many people aren't that independent, especially within these types of dynamics, and well that is okay. That your self-need outweighed (no pun intended) the need for you to choose another motivating factor is great, seriously, but for many people that self-need is determental to many people because if you say -- you have to do it becaue YOU want to or do it for yourself, its a sign for them to give up because for them, that motivation isn't enough to maintain the drive within them to achieve, however, you have a Master who sets the standards and expectations and you thrive in such concept --- success can many times be achieved. In reading your post, do you not give fully and completely to your relationships with the idea that it could very well make it to forever and so you live for each day or do you not do things in your relationship of this dynamic because god forbid it could somehow end one day and not depend on anyone for anything because of what ifs that could happen where you may have to feel the pain of the dependency if the relationship ends? It seems you advocate the latter, i advocate the former. Sure the Dom could vammous one day -- but why worry about the what if if you achieve your goal while in his arms, and what if may be never or hell 10 years down the road. Sorry my posts are long lol. angel

Interesdom -> RE: have You ever helped a sub with weight loss? (3/9/2009 7:29:57 PM)
I have helped many of my women to shape themselves up. Often, this has included weight loss, although sometimes when a person gets fitter and slimmer, the weight loss is not as great as the size loss, since muscle masses more than fat. Like so many parts of life, I tend to get a woman into shape by changing her habits. That way (to answer other points raised on this thread) she is taking care of her own weight loss and all I'm really doing is what I do so much of when in control of a woman: changing how she habitually behaves. I can completely change how a person views a food: for example, I have changed one woman, who habitually snacked on crisps ("chips" to the non-English), to actually dislike crisps at any time in any way; another, far easier change was getting a woman who would only drink full-fat milk to dislike it in favour of skimmed (that is, fat-removed) milk. It takes time, of course but I often feel that while some diet programme is likely to achieve faster results, changing to healthier food and healthier exercise as a matter of habit will last a lot longer - possibly for life.

AquaticSub -> RE: have You ever helped a sub with weight loss? (3/9/2009 10:37:02 PM)
People die. People die of cancer, of murder, of accidents and many other things. I hope that Valyraen and I will be together forever but no one can promise me that. Only G-d and you aren't him so kindly take your misguided beliefs that I don't believe in my relationship elsewhere. It speaks badly of you. It is not a need to be a independent that motivated my post. It is not a need to encourage others to be independent. A person asked for advice. I provided a point of view. If someone can only maintain their weight, their soberity, their anything because someone is in their life because they never learn how to do it... then they fail that person when that person is removed from their life. One can admit they can't do it on their own but when it comes to lifelong habits I believe firmly that you give a man a fish you feed him for a day. Teach him... well you know the rest. Perhaps our point of view is different because I have been surrounded by death from a young age. It's a cold fact of life that sometimes people die for no real reason. We aren't promised anything. The owners that promise to care for us forever can die of freak heart attacks in their late thirties. A friend of the family, a doctor's child, died of skin cancer in his twenties. Call me morbid if you like but Valyraen, while he cares for me and supports me in my weight loss, would not want me to gain it all back because he died unexpectedly. He would disappointed in me. So I have taken pains to make sure that I will continue to make him proud should he be taken from me. I have given my point of view. You have given yours. I have not attacked yours, only your need to attack my faith in my relationship. Kindly refrain from making silly assumptions in the future. Edited because... well I can. [:)]

outlier -> RE: have You ever helped a sub with weight loss? (3/9/2009 10:43:35 PM)
FAST REPLY There are some other reasons having a master involved could be positive At least if the relationship was more than just using the sub as a play partner. First is the fact that as the master helps her to lose the weight he can also teach her how to change her behaviour to get the results she wants. A good master would not only change her behaviours but help her to internalize the reasons for them in a way no outside program could. The more important the connection between a teacher and student the more likely this is to happen. So that she ends up better equipted to make good decisions in the future. Second, There are real rewards to being in better shape. Even if done for the master the first time; once the woman has experienced them she is more likely to want to stay there or get back there than if she never was in shape. Its not just about being controlling. It is about being her mentor and teacher. Outlier

SailingBum -> RE: have You ever helped a sub with weight loss? (3/9/2009 11:15:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel Umm just out of curiosity for all of the people who are so negative about a slave or sub looking for help and incentive and ultimately support from someone important in their life which is usually their Master or Dom, you do realize there are PLACES such as weight watchers, LA weight loss, Jenny Craig etc that people look to for HELP and support etc to lose weight and yes accountibility, so what i don't get is why such negativity and pessimism because a slave or sub may need the help and support and yeah control and guidance from well hell THEIR DOM. angel I get so tired of the poor me I'm fat, I'm ugly, my momma dresses me funny bull shit. Do not come whining to me about your fatness. Cuz it's about personal responsibility. If they don't care about the health issues why should I? If your life is so out of control you can't even control your weight what makes you think I would want to control you? Take a look around the US fatties are 74 % of the population the highest of any industrialized nation according to World Health Org. When I noticed my weight creeping north... You guessed it I stopped eating so much. And to stay in shape no gym for me I volunteer at Habitat For Humanity. You would be surprised how sweating for 8 hours a day a couple times a month keeps you in shape. Folks stop whining and DO something about it. BadOne

BIGLOVENJ -> RE: have You ever helped a sub with weight loss? (3/9/2009 11:31:11 PM)
A part of my responsibility as a slaveowner is to present my slaves to myself as a glorious church without stain or blemish and Ive seen to it that the slaves I was given stewardship to have lost up to 100 lbs and have maintained that loss til present day.

barelynangel -> RE: have You ever helped a sub with weight loss? (3/10/2009 6:33:18 AM)
Bursts out laughing -- wanna be like Mike, Badone? grins, you are a ray of sunshine in a vast sea of political correctness. And yes, i fully agree with you -- fat people need to do something about it. I am in no way advocating someone being fat lol i think its a sad fact of our society that needs to change. Which i think is what this thread is about. How people go about it. You get a bozo button for being so accomplished and having the ability to achieve what you want to on your own without anyone as your motivation. Maybe why you are a Dom rather than a sub or a slave. Now, Aquaticsub, my words were not an attack on your relationship but a comparison which is what you have been doing through this whole thread, implying that any woman who would use their Master or Dom for motivation to succeed at something she can't do on her own is somehow not as good as you are. That's what i have seen of your posts. And i see much of what you have said as somehow condescending because a slave -- A SLAVE OR SUB -- not some random woman on the street but a woman who lives in a dynamic wherein she exists under the control of another either partially in some aspects or fully may actually thrive in doing so because its what she needs because she isn't self-sufficient. This society nas taught women they MUST be self-sufficient, they MUST be in control, they MUST not depend too much on Men, they MUST have the ability to do it all on their own. I think its bull. And many women are slaves to Men because they don't have a need to be fully self-sufficient and well could be they suck at it lol, they don't have a need or want to be in control, they love depending on their Masters and Doms because that is the dynamic, and they don't have the ability to do it all on their own but rely heavily on having motivation outside themselves to succeed at things. The dynamic allows this success to be achieved and in the end, it IS the same success as say your achievements because you decided to do it on your own rather than have your Man kick you in the ass or use the dynamic to accomplish the results. Can you do it on your own if something happened to yoru Man? Who knows. Will a slave who uses her Master as motivation gain the weight back if something happens -- who knows. She may or she may be able to maintain because of other motivations she focuses on that in the end aren't herself because of what he and the dynamic did for her. The personal responsibility is there -- just because i say i need a focus other than myself to achieve doesn't mean i don't know everything I do is what caused the issue. I also know i suck at self-discipline so you know what, to me, personal responsibility is acknowledging that and finding the discipline as an external concept to achieve what i want too. People always believe personal responsibility means accomplishing something ON YOUR OWN, it doesn't. Personal responsibility is acknowledging your weaknesses, your obstacles, your lackings and acknowledging what in you caused the negative thing you want to change, and then, figuring out what works for you and finding what works in making your weaknesses strength, your obstacles your helps, your lackings fullfilled in the positive. For SOME people who are slaves, that personal responsibility is ackowledging and then acting upon their understanding of themselves that self-sufficiency, independence and just doing it for them --- doesn't work for them so maybe being in this dynamic is the way for them to achieve their goals and successes. To me, its a lack of personal responsibility when you keep attempting to do things because others say its the right way to do it -- for example, using you as a motivating factor, as some have said within this thread - when you know its not there without external focus on something else. The lack of personal responsibility to me would be someone keeping on trying what isn't working for them and being afraid to not be or admit they suck at being the strong, controlled, self-sufficient woman many people believe is what is cool in our society and by trying to achieve this -- they are detrimental to their own success and their success comes in the end when they finally find and thrive in the control of another that helps them succeed in what they couldn't do on their own because of themselves or a drive for themselves within. angel

LaTigresse -> RE: have You ever helped a sub with weight loss? (3/10/2009 6:42:42 AM)
Sooooooo, all those that advocate a master/mistress "helping" a slave/submissive lose weight.........are you equally as supportive of a master/mistress "demanding" a slave/submissive lose and maintain a weight they feel is correct? Or does that cross the "Take me, want me, as I am. I am not good enough. You are descriminating against fat people." line?

AquaticSub -> RE: have You ever helped a sub with weight loss? (3/10/2009 6:43:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel Now, Aquaticsub, my words were not an attack on your relationship but a comparison which is what you have been doing through this whole thread, implying that any woman who would use their Master or Dom for motivation to succeed at something she can't do on her own is somehow not as good as you are. That's what i have seen of your posts. And i see much of what you have said as somehow condescending because a slave -- A SLAVE OR SUB -- not some random woman on the street but a woman who lives in a dynamic wherein she exists under the control of another either partially in some aspects or fully may actually thrive in doing so because its what she needs because she isn't self-sufficient. How interesting. I see condescending in your posts as well. I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on that particular subject. In this case we see it as making sure the slave or submissive won't fall back into undesireable habits once the owner is gone. For many of us who battle with our weight it will be a lifelong battle and he doesn't want me to lose it should he be removed from my life. How submissive is it to fight him on the subject?

sojourner9 -> RE: have You ever helped a sub with weight loss? (3/10/2009 6:54:05 AM)
One of the major enjoyments I get out of being a dominant is helping my submissives to learn and grow. It's a win-win, happier, healthier, and more knowledgeable they are, the better their life can be, the better they can serve me, and the better they can server someone else in the future. I've spent a lot of time working out and paying attention to my diet. So if a submissive comes to me asking for help, it is because they know what they want to do, but need someone experienced to help them achieve it. And, the main point of anything I laid out for them would be to create and reinforce good habits. Like barelynangel said - this is basically what places like Weight Watchers or Jenny Craig do. When I had my submissive exercising or dieting - she was never punished/rewarded for any weight gain or loss. She had to go to the gym, she had to eat within certain parameters. If she lost weight and gained muscle tone, then good. But, all I was concerned about was that she was doing the things that result in good lifestyle habits, not any weekly number or measurement.

barelynangel -> RE: have You ever helped a sub with weight loss? (3/10/2009 6:54:17 AM)
Some women will even you MAY gain the weight back -- while you believe you may be doing it on your own, are you sure he has not been a driving force you are scared to acknowledge and if he does find himself gone from you for whatever reason, could this unacknowledged concept you did and are using him be a trigger where you simply don't maintain what he is helping you with now? Exactly its a life long battle, and perhaps you may not win as well without him as you do with him in this battle, or maybe you will. No one knows until it occurs. I was not trying to be condescending but i see many times women acting like a slave being dependent on their Master is a bad thing or someone not being an adult or not being personally responsible or admitting one may NEED versus want a Master or Dom being like a faux pas. I simply don't believe its a negative thing. BUt yeah i guess we both have different ways of viewing things. angel

barelynangel -> RE: have You ever helped a sub with weight loss? (3/10/2009 6:57:31 AM)
quote: are you equally as supportive of a master/mistress "demanding" a slave/submissive lose and maintain a weight they feel is correct? Or does that cross the "Take me, want me, as I am. I am not good enough. You are descriminating against fat people." line? laughs, i am fully under the understanding when i become a slave to a Man what he wants of me and what he considers his pleasure is what i will accomplish the best i can based on his expectations and standards. Why would a Man waste his time taking a slave if he didn't want her even if he wants to change parts of her. To imply a Man would take a slave he doesn't want or finds not good enough, is an insult to Men because pretty much you are saying a Man would waste his time on a girl he doesn't want or is not good enough. Just because he wants to chang some things about her doesn't mean he doesn't like somethings about her, and he sees the potential for her to become ALL, is very cool thing to be for a woman. I don't see a take me, want me as i am, for slaves, i think its a silly mindset to have. You are a slave, his pleasure, expectations and standards are what you will achieve. Just because he takes you doesn't mean he accepts you as you are -- he more than likely sees potential in you -- not the finish product. I not only believe this to be true, i expect it. But then i don't have the politically correct concept many people do about slavery and equality and partnerships etc. angel

AquaticSub -> RE: have You ever helped a sub with weight loss? (3/10/2009 7:05:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel Some women will even you MAY gain the weight back -- while you believe you may be doing it on your own, are you sure he has not been a driving force you are scared to acknowledge and if he does find himself gone from you for whatever reason, could this unacknowledged concept you did and are using him be a trigger where you simply don't maintain what he is helping you with now? Exactly its a life long battle, and perhaps you may not win as well without him as you do with him in this battle, or maybe you will. No one knows until it occurs. I was not trying to be condescending but i see many times women acting like a slave being dependent on their Master is a bad thing or someone not being an adult or not being personally responsible or admitting one may NEED versus want a Master or Dom being like a faux pas. I simply don't believe its a negative thing. BUt yeah i guess we both have different ways of viewing things. angel I think you've gotten fixated on the phrase "doing it on your own". I never said a person should do it completely on their own. I'm certainly not and never meant to imply that I was. The post in which I mentioned I was "doing it on my own" was short and I didn't put a great deal of thought into the wording as I wanted to play the devil's advocate and provide a point of view. Had I realized it would be such a sore point for others, I would have gone over it with a fine tooth comb. [;)] I've, in fact, stated that people should be getting help and that Valyraen does help me. He will order me not to eat a particular item and I obey. As a matter of fact he just ordered me to stop posting this and eat breakfast. Which is why it's not an immediate response but took me awhile to get some toast. [:)] What I believe is that the drive for losing weight should be internal, not external because then once the external drive is gone there is nothing. That says nothing about dependence or personal responsbility only where the drive for weight loss comes from. I would also say that the drive for submission has to be internal and not forced. I have also said that the sub/slave should have the tools to continue should the worst happen. I see that as along the lines as making sure a sub/slave will not be broke and out on the street with nowhere to go. It's taking care of what you own past your own, perhaps untimely, passing and the more dependent the sub/slave is, the more important it is. Edited because... I can. And it's morning so I thought of new things. Blah mornings.

LaTigresse -> RE: have You ever helped a sub with weight loss? (3/10/2009 7:20:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel quote: are you equally as supportive of a master/mistress "demanding" a slave/submissive lose and maintain a weight they feel is correct? Or does that cross the "Take me, want me, as I am. I am not good enough. You are descriminating against fat people." line? laughs, i am fully under the understanding when i become a slave to a Man what he wants of me and what he considers his pleasure is what i will accomplish the best i can based on his expectations and standards. Why would a Man waste his time taking a slave if he didn't want her even if he wants to change parts of her. To imply a Man would take a slave he doesn't want or finds not good enough, is an insult to Men because pretty much you are saying a Man would waste his time on a girl he doesn't want or is not good enough. Just because he wants to chang some things about her doesn't mean he doesn't like somethings about her, and he sees the potential for her to become ALL, is very cool thing to be for a woman. I don't see a take me, want me as i am, for slaves, i think its a silly mindset to have. You are a slave, his pleasure, expectations and standards are what you will achieve. Just because he takes you doesn't mean he accepts you as you are -- he more than likely sees potential in you -- not the finish product. I not only believe this to be true, i expect it. But then i don't have the politically correct concept many people do about slavery and equality and partnerships etc. angel Thank you for your reply. A great deal of my concepts are not the most popular either. I am pretty harsh in my expectations. I only asked because I do believe that there would be sub/slaves that would cheer the idea of the dominant helping them lose weight, but would scream bloody murder if it was demanded that they lose weight.

OsideGirl -> RE: have You ever helped a sub with weight loss? (3/10/2009 7:49:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel Umm just out of curiosity for all of the people who are so negative about a slave or sub looking for help and incentive and ultimately support from someone important in their life which is usually their Master or Dom, you do realize there are PLACES such as weight watchers, LA weight loss, Jenny Craig etc that people look to for HELP and support etc to lose weight and yes accountibility, so what i don't get is why such negativity and pessimism because a slave or sub may need the help and support and yeah control and guidance from well hell THEIR DOM. The success rates for those programs are quite low. That's why there's a disclaimer at the end of the commercials that says, "Results not typical". My issue with someone enforcing a diet is that until you've ruled out medical reasons for the weight, you could be doing more damage than good. Eating what most people consider healthy would cause me to gain weight and ultimately would cause diabetes. I also think there's a difference between someone controlling your diet and someone saying, "Hey, honey, I thought you weren't going to eat that." Punishing someone for going off diet creates a weird relationship with food that can lead to eating disorders and abuse of drugs, etc.

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