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They can't "defend" Obama, and so they "... - 3/10/2009 1:43:39 AM   
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You can see the frustration turning to concern that Chris Matthews, Keith Ubarmann and Rachael Maddow are feeling in the growing disappointment in Obama as his ratings start to reflect the end of the normal "honeymoon" Americans give a new leader. In actuality, Obama's rating  actually trail George Bush at this stage of their administrations, and are well behind Jimmy Carter, undoubtedly the worst President of the 20th century!

Within less than two months time, the inexperience that was swept under the carpet by an adoring media of just a year ago like ABC's "Nightline" David Wright memorable commentary following on of Barack's rock and roll primary rallies.. "Politics doesn't even begin to describe it. A visit to an Obama rally is a pilgrimage." , and advised viewers to think of the events as "Springsteen concerts, but the tickets are free." Obviously, he left out the fact that these rallies WERE often generated by warm up acts of R&R bands who brought out the poitically blind, politically naieve, primed for their messianic quest for a person they could believe in by years of an brainwashing education in liberal philosophy. You just can't pay enough for this type of political propaganda. Coupled with the Lehman bankruptcy, the nationalization of AIG, and the deterioration in the economy and stock markets, by October the race was essentially over.

And so here we are today..with a Leader who's resume' for the job is blank.  A leader whose "new ideas for change" are just the same old failed politics of the extreme liberal wing of the democrat party. It is a disgrace to see the party of JFK racing to the extreme left and he must be turning over in his grave. There is growing concern about his "RUSH" to spend hundreds of billions of dollars, even among leading members of his own party...and the boys from Chicago had to set up a "distraction" a diversion...you know, like during prohibition when they would send out three trucks but only one had the booze.  And so...lets jump on "Rush"...lets build on the story of a republican party imploding..ANYTHING to get our failures below the fold for discussion. And the boys and "girl" and MSNBC loved it!  AndHours and hours of TV time devoted to "Limbaugh".  How many times do I have to look at Ariana Huffington? At least Laura Ingraham has an attractive personality. And people wonder why Air America was a failure..adults can only take just so much drama...after awhile you tune into a TV commentary for information!

Why the Rush Limbaugh "distraction" from the issues of the day?
What we have today is an administration that wasted one of the best transitions in decades with George Bush virtually turning over the keys to every Executive office the day after the election.  In the midst of a national fianancial crisis his Secretary of the Treasury begins withhout the trace of a plan and bombed in his first public hearing.  The man was essentially in the job since election day, as President of the New York Federal Reserve was totally immersed in the financial mess we are in, and after flopping in his first appearance the media excuse was that the man was in the job for "only two weeks"! 
Certainly that was not how Barack introduced Mr. Geithner in November.." Tim Geithner offers not just extensive experience shaping economic policy and managing financial markets - but an unparalleled understanding of our current economic crisis, in all of its depth, complexity and urgency. Tim will waste no time getting up to speed. He will start his first day on the job with a unique insight into the failures of today's markets - and a clear vision of the steps we must take to revive them."  Gimme a break...the man, like his boss, is over his head, although the President does seemingly know more about filling out his tax forms than his new head of the IRS.

Why do they set up Rush Limbaugh as a demon and saturate the airwavs with liberal pundits spending hours on Rush..instead of Obama's seaming "No Rush" strategy to do the right thing?
 
And so we have legislation "RUSHed"through a Congress not given an opportunity to read the final Bill out of conference, "RUSHed" to the Presidends desk for signature since passage into law was an emergency and had to be "RUSHed" to save the country but...alas...the President was on a Valentine Day date with Michelle, and Rohm and the boys had set up such a great "photo op".  No question this group know how to run a campaign.  If only they could run a government out of this mess instead of into the ground!

The Obama adminsitration is now on a course "RUSHing" into a National Healthcare scheme that will destroy a system that is providing outstanding care, with leading edge therapy, and servicing over 300,000,000 citizens and why, because 45,000,000 are not or 15% of the population is uninsured!  Why the RUSH towards Big Government healthcare?  Silly me, of course, because we are in a RUSH towards Big Daddy, Big Government!  To put it in perspective, the U.S. Census report of 2005, obviously still current, indicated.."The historical record is marked by a 12-year period from 1987 to 1998 when the uninsured rate (12.9 percent in 1987) either increased or was not statistically different from one year to the next (Figure 7).2 After peaking at 16.3 percent in 1998, the rate fell for two years in a row to 14.2 percent in 2000. The rate then increased until 2003-2004, where it remained at 15.6 percent, before it increased to 15.9 percent in 2005."

The "Peter Principal on steroids" would probably be the best description of this administration and their programs for the country will bring us to ruin.  It is these policies that Rush Limbaugh stated he hoped would fail...and so do I.  It is no more a desire for the country to fail than liberals who waned Bush to fail.   But again...the Chicago mob has people tuned into an Obama v Limbaugh self-generated discussion....and no one is examining legislation that is changing our lives forever.    What an indictment of our educational system.

                        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/#29595206

                   http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Vote2008/Story?id=4313643

                   http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/hlthins/hlthin05/hlth05asc.html

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 2:00:34 AM   
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I have to reply and not just to the rambling slander. You are not in a position of strength when you argue such. The 8 yrs. of Bush was as partisan as economically stiltifying, as corrupt, as dictatorial, as incompetent, as internationally aggressive, as fascist, as philandering, as prolificate, as slothful, as vindictive, as parochial, as pompous, as dis-uniting. as power-hungry, as pandering, as hypocritical, as inefficient, as embittering as any and became the all around, the worst president in our history.

There are hard core Michigan, WVa., and Va. (the places of my life) republican conservatives who are disgusted with him and these last 8 yrs. as they are with Limbaugh who they regard as the judge Judy of talk radio and also a liar and a rascist (every single one of whom agreed...we had no business going into Iraq) and also brand Bush the worst 2 term pres. in our history. Enough !!!

There remains no partisan slant that you post here that will win anyone over to your arguments that somehow now...now we are in trouble. We are, and the last 8 yrs put us here, not the last 8 weeks...no matter what you post.

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 2:32:32 AM   
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I have to reply and not just the rambling slander. You are not in a position of strength when you argue such. The 8 yrs of Bush was as partisan as economically stiltifying, as corrupt, as dictatorial, as incompetenet, as aggressive, as fascist, as philandering, as prolificate, as slothful, as vindictive, as parochial, as pompous, as dis-uniting. as power-hungry, as pandering, as hypocritical, as inefficient, as embittering, and became the all around worst president in our history.

There are hard core Michigan, WVa., and Va. (the places of my life) republican conservatives who are disgusted with him and these last 8 yrs. and also brand him the worst 2 term pres. in our history. Enough !!!


I can appreciate the fact that you have a wonderful dictionary full of colorful words so I thought I would give them some color to bring more focus to the reader.  Just one tiny little comment, not a criticism, of course, ..you should really consider in debating an issue to string these words in individual sentences with meaning.   In this way your constructive thought processes so evident in this post could be exposed to review by all of us in the great unwashed.  Just a thought.

By the way, I'm not surprised at the negative feelings of your friends. If I lived in Michigan, West Virginia and some parts of Virginia, I would feel the same way.  But help is coming they can move from places like Detroit, Richmond, and the coal producing areas of West Virginia, to the west and build "windmills".  Your "conservative" friends must be delighted with Obama's debunking of the coal industry, putting carbon taxes on coal emissions, and all that good stuff.  Thank God, help is on the way...they can get jobs building a railroad from Cali to Las Vegas. 

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 5:23:42 AM   
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Do you do much else than spout back what you read in  pro-Republican blogs, Cory? I mean, do you have opinions of your own ?

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 6:46:37 AM   
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Do you do much else than spout back what you read in  pro-Republican blogs, Cory? I mean, do you have opinions of your own ?


Kitten,...please, I expect more of you than that.  I was unaware that ABC News, MSNBC and
the U.S. Census were "Pro-Republican Blogs!...  I think I fairly present "my" opinions and if you refer to "links" on other postings than this one, I do that becasue liberals have no basis in fact in much of what they say...hence the personal attacks instead of reasonable and contructive debate, and so I try to give the "reference" when it adds to anyone's knowledge.  As a matter of fact, by the way, of the almost 1500 postings I have been able to get through TOS, I would venture that if I do link a blog, the odds are that it is a liberal Huffington Post or Daily Kos.  Please reference to all of us, but particularly me, who you think I am "plagerizing" my thoughts? 
You really don't know me, my background, my life experience, and my education or "lack" of education as the case may be...so please, before you cast a stone and attack a persons thought processes make sure you can lift it before you attempt to sling it! 
I have shown my views of how people with limited knowledge are swooning over a President that is over his head in a job that requires "more than a speech".  The people agreeing with this point of view that I have had since January of 2008 not include people who love the guy, voted for him, and now belive he is out of control and on the wrong course. Obama is frenetically going in many directions at once to get his agenda legislated before the people wake up! Warren Buffet, who you might think is another republican blogger, believes the economy is falling off a cliff and the Administrations "muddled message" is hurting  the economy. The Link below is a video of HIS comments not those of some blogger.
                 http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/03/warren-buffett.html

Sorry Kitten, but every day Barack gives those of us who believe in the capitalistic system reasons and comments to write.  And all we get here in terms of criticism or ideas are "personal attacks" or attacks on George Bush.  As the days go by, Barack will OWN more and more of the the economic environment that he was expected to improve and, instead of "change", he has betrayed the trust of people who believed that he was a "different politician" than what we have witnessed over the past couple of decades. Rather, Barack has shifted to a radical left agenda that all were warned would occur.  He is well on his way to being one of the most ill prepared men ever to hold the highest office in the land, surrounded by bureacrat types who never worked in industry and are hell-bent on putting Big Government in charge of every facet of our lives....that to me is socialism...and not tapping the fantastic entrepreneurial spirit of Amricans who have given the world much of what it is today!

BTW, the stock market rally that we are going to see reflects a very over-sold situation, as well as positive comments from Bernake and Citicorp.  As I said last week on another thread, we are ready for a rally that will be fueled if the would remove the idiotic "mark to market" accounting rules..but that's another thread.

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 6:50:23 AM   
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I rest my case .

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 7:12:15 AM   
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cory, the guy's been in office thirty days, and he's pushed several controversial bills.  His approval ratings are plenty high - comparing them with other thirty day ratings ignores the fact that he'll be judged more by his rating at the end of his term than any other.




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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 8:04:40 AM   
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I can appreciate the fact that you have a wonderful dictionary full of colorful words so I thought I would give them some color to bring more focus to the reader.  Just one tiny little comment, not a criticism, of course, ..you should really consider in debating an issue to string these words in individual sentences with meaning.   In this way your constructive thought processes so evident in this post could be exposed to review by all of us in the great unwashed.  Just a thought.

By the way, I'm not surprised at the negative feelings of your friends. If I lived in Michigan, West Virginia and some parts of Virginia, I would feel the same way.  But help is coming they can move from places like Detroit, Richmond, and the coal producing areas of West Virginia, to the west and build "windmills".  Your "conservative" friends must be delighted with Obama's debunking of the coal industry, putting carbon taxes on coal emissions, and all that good stuff.  Thank God, help is on the way...they can get jobs building a railroad from Cali to Las Vegas. 

My conservative friends are giving Obama a chance and not burying him under partisan hate. And BTW, they certainly don't want to see him...fail.
 
My whole point on Bush is that for real conservatives, he was an abberation and not a practioner of truly conservative principles. Did you know BTW, that Bush became only the 2nd pres. in history NOT to veto a single bill in his first 4 yrs. in office ? Add to that the largest 'transportation' bill in history with just under 7000 earmarks in 2005. Where were you and all of the blogs in criticism of his agenda and his spending ?

Also, coal is about the dirtiest form of energy there is and I am not happy at all that the coal produced in the Ohio valley deposits acid rain down the Shenendoah valley and is taking the paint off of my car among other unpleasent things. The coal tax is a tax incentive to do what...clean it up.

Where were you and the bloggers when Bush inacted tariffs on steel and lumber effectively taxing the consumers of those prodcuts ? How is it that we have tariffs on foreign ethanol that our taxes subsidize in addition to that, which is doing nothing for our energy supply ? Ethanol producers now want an increase in that taxpayer handout for a 15% mix with our gas, up from 10%. The whole ethanol market is a creation of a govt. tax and subsidy regime that gives the country little while it becomes a $multi-billion windfall for producers...all under Bush.

You still haven't told me how it is that I am supposed to be a liberal.

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 8:18:52 AM   
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Oh honey, I was trashing Limbaugh lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggg before I even knew who Barack Obama was!!

Hell, I was trashing GW long before I had ever heard of Obama.


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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 8:26:52 AM   
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lol...1000 words and not a damn thing worth reading...you have won...you wasted 5 minutes of my life...damn

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 8:36:43 AM   
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So that`s what Rush said?

Nice spin.And creative,too.





Not.....lol

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 8:52:14 AM   
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You still haven't told me how it is that I am supposed to be a liberal.



Many liberals, myself included, get so furious with the blathering of the  Rushs of this country that we often knee jerk not recognizing that an intelligent and patriotic conservative may be speaking.  Since you are lucid, obviously intelligent, have a sense of humor and are not mean spirited, I have always thought of you as a liberal to a moderate.  I for one feel ashamed that I have become so defensive (probably offensive) because of people like Rush and some on this thread.  They obviously know how to push my buttons.  I admire people like Pat Buchanan but of course recognize him from over the years and consider him a true patriot; a populist conservative.  However, I am getting old and jump to conclusions except as to "nuns and rulers."

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 8:52:36 AM   
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What a warped sense of reality corysub has. Seeing everything through a lens that's filtered to let nothing through but ridiculously partisan neo-conservative slanted views.

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 10:07:53 AM   
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You still haven't told me how it is that I am supposed to be a liberal.


Many liberals, myself included, get so furious with the blathering of the  Rushs of this country that we often knee jerk not recognizing that an intelligent and patriotic conservative may be speaking.  Since you are lucid, obviously intelligent, have a sense of humor and are not mean spirited, I have always thought of you as a liberal to a moderate.  I for one feel ashamed that I have become so defensive (probably offensive) because of people like Rush and some on this thread.  They obviously know how to push my buttons.  I admire people like Pat Buchanan but of course recognize him from over the years and consider him a true patriot; a populist conservative.  However, I am getting old and jump to conclusions except as to "nuns and rulers."

Well my question was directed to corysub and because of the direct implication that he was debating a liberal...and loving it so much. I am an independent conservative as is a family member and didn't vote for Reagan either time, he being the first to talk a great game but never really acting like a conservative. Yet I still...wanted him to 'succeed.'

I agree with some of Buchanon's policy ideas yet still cling to the idea that a real conservative that actually acted like one as POUS...would be shot or killed somehow and by the capitalist who in the past, never had a problem of thus eliminating such a 'problem.'. That's one reason Obama can't bring all that much change...nobody can.

Limbaugh is a radio 'personality' and uses what I like to call partisan tripe..i.e., bullshit to try to cast everything that's wrong as always with a liberal or democratic party failing as its cause and I truly do believe that for the actual repub party to follow this man, they are truly...in trouble. The vast majority of all stripes of radio listeners couldn't care less what the Rush Limbaughs of the world have to say.

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 11:19:38 AM   
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Hrm, the only reason people demonize Rush Limbaugh, at least that I've ever cared to read, are because of his willful, and proud, bigotry against many groups. He's harsh, and outright violent in his beliefs.

The fact that his politics are attacked is completely seperate. People HAVE and DO use it to support their arguments against his politics, but the fact stands that he's only really ever judged as a person based on his personal beliefs, not his political ideology.

Granted, I see his name and I usually turn my brain off (both for pro-Limbaugh and anti-Limbaugh stuff). I hear his voice and I turn off whatever I'm listening to. I don't feel like listing to someone who espouses hate, or (usually) care to listen to anyone willing to 'feed the troll' as it were.

*shrug*

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 11:45:25 AM   
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I'm curious Cory,could you submit to a liberal Domme or does your partisanship color even that?
I'm just asking.....

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 11:57:11 AM   
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Hrm, the only reason people demonize Rush Limbaugh, at least that I've ever cared to read, are because of his willful, and proud, bigotry against many groups. He's harsh, and outright violent in his beliefs.

The fact that his politics are attacked is completely seperate. People HAVE and DO use it to support their arguments against his politics, but the fact stands that he's only really ever judged as a person based on his personal beliefs, not his political ideology.

Granted, I see his name and I usually turn my brain off (both for pro-Limbaugh and anti-Limbaugh stuff). I hear his voice and I turn off whatever I'm listening to. I don't feel like listing to someone who espouses hate, or (usually) care to listen to anyone willing to 'feed the troll' as it were.

*shrug*


But he himself constantly makes the connection between those personal beliefs and the conservative political positions he champions. He draws no distinction between the two, so why should we when we respond to  him?


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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 12:58:49 PM   
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I can appreciate the fact that you have a wonderful dictionary full of colorful words so I thought I would give them some color to bring more focus to the reader.  Just one tiny little comment, not a criticism, of course, ..you should really consider in debating an issue to string these words in individual sentences with meaning.   In this way your constructive thought processes so evident in this post could be exposed to review by all of us in the great unwashed.  Just a thought.

By the way, I'm not surprised at the negative feelings of your friends. If I lived in Michigan, West Virginia and some parts of Virginia, I would feel the same way.  But help is coming they can move from places like Detroit, Richmond, and the coal producing areas of West Virginia, to the west and build "windmills".  Your "conservative" friends must be delighted with Obama's debunking of the coal industry, putting carbon taxes on coal emissions, and all that good stuff.  Thank God, help is on the way...they can get jobs building a railroad from Cali to Las Vegas. 

My conservative friends are giving Obama a chance and not burying him under partisan hate. And BTW, they certainly don't want to see him...fail.
 
My whole point on Bush is that for real conservatives, he was an abberation and not a practioner of truly conservative principles. Did you know BTW, that Bush became only the 2nd pres. in history NOT to veto a single bill in his first 4 yrs. in office ? Add to that the largest 'transportation' bill in history with just under 7000 earmarks in 2005. Where were you and all of the blogs in criticism of his agenda and his spending ?

Also, coal is about the dirtiest form of energy there is and I am not happy at all that the coal produced in the Ohio valley deposits acid rain down the Shenendoah valley and is taking the paint off of my car among other unpleasent things. The coal tax is a tax incentive to do what...clean it up.

Where were you and the bloggers when Bush inacted tariffs on steel and lumber effectively taxing the consumers of those prodcuts ? How is it that we have tariffs on foreign ethanol that our taxes subsidize in addition to that, which is doing nothing for our energy supply ? Ethanol producers now want an increase in that taxpayer handout for a 15% mix with our gas, up from 10%. The whole ethanol market is a creation of a govt. tax and subsidy regime that gives the country little while it becomes a $multi-billion windfall for producers...all under Bush.

You still haven't told me how it is that I am supposed to be a liberal.


Bottom line...Bush made some terrible mistakes...and I have a quarrel with him myself...I'm also fighting with people in my own family from time to time so that's not unusual.  The last person that I agreed with totally was walking around a little over 2,000 years ago!

Bush should have vetoed a lot of the huge spending bills that the republican sent to him.  It cost them the mid-term election and it was justified.  They gave the democrats a banner but it that won them control of both houses.  Once in awhile every party has to be shaken up and thrown out..given a couple or more years to rebuild with new blood with passion to serve the country instead of only an agenda.
I also agree that Bush was not a conservative, and neither was McCain.  I voted against Obama because he is dangerous for the country and voted for McCain as the much lesser of two evils.  At the end I was really more impressed with Hillary (as my tag shows) and was probably going to vote for her..the first time in decades that I would have voted for a democrat. The woman has more grit, more purpose, more leadership ability, and a hell of a lot more experience than Barack who was truly an abberation, as much as you say Bush was described.  It must also be remembered that the democrat party and their minions not only called President Bush the most vile names, and still do, but they tried incessantly to undermine his adminsitration and doing their best to bring the man down....and now they are pissed because Barack is giving so much cause to generate a similar response.  However, Barack is getting "D" marks not only from conservatives like me, but also from people who supported him with big bucks, voted for him, and now are having buyers remorse like Warren Buffet, a guy that gave Obama so much creditablilty prior to the election.  
I also agree with you on ethanol.  They killed the corn market when oil was over $100/bbl, one of those "unintended consequences"...and drove the price of everything from milk to meat, to bread every staple people need, was increased dramatically.  Now we have a lunatic green fringe running the democrat party and in the midst of a major recession Obama is bending over to institute a "green" program..when the country is out of "green money"!!  Instead of focusing on the financial system which, if it collapses, will take all of us down, he is gonna build "windmills", and grids to connect them, probably to that railroad from Disney to Las Vegas.  It's the same old pork and spend on your friends like Nero playing his fidle while Rome burned.  We are in deep doo doo at the moment and Obama is still on the campaign trail.. The guy is NEVER in the White House...Anyway...we do agree on a lot and I'm open to change my opinion for any better idea.

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 1:01:31 PM   
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I rest my case .


Errrrr...Kitten....You haven't made a case to rest, unless a one liner is a "case".    I Would love to hear your take, and so would a lot of other people.  Please show me, correct me, beat me too if ya want...  

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 1:02:15 PM   
MarsBonfire


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Gosh cory, thanks for that. This explains why now, Newt is speaking out against Limbaugh, there's a major cover peice coming out in Newsweek this week entitled "Why Rush is Wrong!" (written by some prominent republicans) and now, according to a recent poll, the republicans in congress are now 20% against what has happened with is power grab, post CPAC.
And this is just the beginning.
Let the GOP backlash begin! (Not that it's going to help their position any. These guys have screwed their own pooch in so many ways, it's going to take years of hard work for them to regain any credibility.) The party of Rush "I want the President to fail" Limbaugh, Sarah "I can see Russia from my house" Palin, and Joe "I'm not a real plumber but I can pontificate on national issues" the Plumber... Man, how the mighty have fallen...

All I need now, to really make this complete, is to see Rove behind bars, Cheany dead from a heart attack, and seeing Palin in court to defend her drug pushing sister in law.

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