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RE: GOP becoming a cartoon - 3/14/2009 4:53:31 PM   
truckinslave


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We've so far had, especially by the standards of public message boards, pretty decent exchanges; so I am not going to say anything sarcastic. I'm just going to quotepart of  post #61 and ask you if you're sure you don't see anything hateful.
 
"There are few (if any) new faces, minority faces, or faces that look like anything other than old, white, racist, homophobic, mean spirited assholes within the party"


Again, this is a post from a self-described conservative Republican who doesn't like the direction his own party is going.

I can't see how criticism from within can be described as hateful.

Then again, if you have a problem with his comments, it is not up to me to defend them, go to the source.


Perhaps our level of discourse hasn't been quite what I imagined.

I have no desire to chat with the writer of that and several other posts. I used this one as an example of the pure partisan hate to which conservatives are subjected; why do I want to talk to him? I care not a whit how he describers himself.

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RE: GOP becoming a cartoon - 3/14/2009 5:09:45 PM   
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I used this one as an example of the pure partisan hate to which conservatives are subjected



The same kind of pure partisan hate that left wing people are subjected to, perchance? Or are conservatives exclusively persecuted by the evil commies?

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RE: GOP becoming a cartoon - 3/14/2009 5:12:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Spinner, I have no idea how you could misunderstand my positions so badly. I would be really interested to see you try to justify what I am forced to call grotesque mischaracterizations with quotes from my posts.

Further-
I have never, here or elsewhere advocated "abstinence-only", or a ban on "sex-education".
School funding is another matter. Are you aware that tuition and books at state-supported colleges is less than at public high screwels? Our schools do not lack for funds.
If you cannot afford to care for your baby I am totally in favor of publicly-funded prenatal care until the cost of such can be taken over by the couple we (the state) are going to adopt the baby out to.

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RE: GOP becoming a cartoon - 3/14/2009 5:22:44 PM   
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Are conservatives persecuted only by evil commies? Oh hell no. We're persecuted by evil socialists, evil liberals (no, I'm not being redundant. Not quite, anyway  ), even by the occasional evil self-described conservatives!!

Look, I use "Dims" and "Shrillary" and "Pres Hussein". I love Laura Ingrahams use of "the senior balloon from Massachusetts" to describe T Kennedy, and the "Silky Pony" to describe  John Edwards. That's about as rough as I play. If that causes some people not to talk to me, well, ok. If people want to play rougher than that, I'm probably going to disengage.

"Racist, homophobic mean-spirited assholes" is beyond my personal pale.

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RE: GOP becoming a cartoon - 3/14/2009 5:43:53 PM   
kittinSol


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Status: offline 		Poor you. My heart bleeds. No wonder Rush Limbaugh is so vocal: you've gotta defend yourself against those libewal scumbags, don't you?

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RE: GOP becoming a cartoon - 3/14/2009 11:30:18 PM   
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Kitten-
Are conservatives persecuted only by evil commies? Oh hell no. We're persecuted by evil socialists, evil liberals (no, I'm not being redundant. Not quite, anyway  ), even by the occasional evil self-described conservatives!!

Look, I use "Dims" and "Shrillary" and "Pres Hussein". I love Laura Ingrahams use of "the senior balloon from Massachusetts" to describe T Kennedy, and the "Silky Pony" to describe  John Edwards. That's about as rough as I play. If that causes some people not to talk to me, well, ok. If people want to play rougher than that, I'm probably going to disengage.

"Racist, homophobic mean-spirited assholes" is beyond my personal pale.


So let's recap, conservatives are persecuted by evil commies, evil liberals, evil socialists, and evil self-described conservatives.

I've got to give you credit.

You show such bravery in the face of all these people intent on your destruction.



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RE: GOP becoming a cartoon - 3/15/2009 7:46:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		A republican named Cantor (sic) was interviewed Sunday morning and criticized the administration at length.  When asked if he had any proposals, he picked up a couple sheets of paper and said we (republicans) did in fact have an alternative  being tax cuts for business.  That is no alternatives but rather the trickle down theory that has been shown to be of no viability.  I am beginning to view the tax cuts merely as payments to republicans and to hell with the economy.  The last five economists I have read have said the stimulus package was not large enough and that the tax cuts contributed to the problem and added little to stimulus.

O'Connell was bitching about AIG but had no alternatives per usual.  Is the old "Know nothing party" label copyrighted?  The label fits the GOP.

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RE: GOP becoming a cartoon - 3/15/2009 8:02:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Again- no history here with Catholicism- but wasn't there a much-publicized story recently involving the RCC taking Nancy Pelosi to task on this very subject. As I recall, her understanding of the teachings of St Augustus were quite publicly corrected and she was pointedly told from the Vatican that life begins at conception. Did't a Bishop in SC declare that voting for Obama was a mortal sin, because of his stance on abortion, and that congregants should confess and do penance before taking communion? I'm completely (blissfully?) unaware of 12th century RC "conclusions" on the subject of abortion; but the position of the Pope during my lifetime seems to have been pretty clear. To wit: abortion = excommunication.

I must not have been clear concerning my position on Islam. I abhor it, a position I reached only after actually studying it post 9/11. I say "actually" because in the long-ago I took a "comparative religion" course which pretty much sanitized it. Hateful, intolerant, actually homophobic, totally sexist- that's the doctrine. Some in the West don't practice it, currently, but that's the doctrine. Worse even than NoI, and that's going some.

Killing an adult may well have a smaller "impact on society at large" than killing an unborn child.

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RE: GOP becoming a cartoon - 3/15/2009 8:22:22 AM   
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I must not have been clear concerning my position on Islam. I abhor it, a position I reached only after actually studying it post 9/11. I say "actually" because in the long-ago I took a "comparative religion" course which pretty much sanitized it. Hateful, intolerant, actually homophobic, totally sexist- that's the doctrine. Some in the West don't practice it, currently, but that's the doctrine. Worse even than NoI, and that's going some.
ORIGINAL: truckinslave


Truckin'....I have to question your terms for Islam when Jeudo-Christianity holds many of the same belief. The punishment for homosexuality in the bible is death by stoning. That seems to me to be rather homophobic. Sexist? Well, there are many citations in the bible that says that a woman's place is complete subjgation and submission to men (A nice idea for an individual but not a terrific idea for a society)....Hateful and intolerant? How about all the biblical citations indicating god actually commanded genocide, that god is a man of war and blessing god for teaching the ways of war and killing?

As for putting these things into action, let us not forget the systematic destruction of the pagan religions (St. Patrick was cannonized for destroying the celtic religion in Ireland), the crusades, the inquisition, the killing of "witches" in America and all manner of other delightful things.

Of course, there is the fact that for the last century or so, Christianity has mostly calmed down in these areas while the Muslim fundamentalists haven't. But that isn't because the Judeo-Christian doctrine is any kinder than the Muslim doctirne. It's just that the Judeo-Christian doctrine has been sanitized to make it more appealing to the mass market.

The basis of all religions is simple: "There is a God. He loves us. He hates you. Therefore if we hate you, kill you, wipe you from the face of the earth, we're doing god's will." It's been that way in every mono-theistic religion through history.


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RE: GOP becoming a cartoon - 3/15/2009 9:23:42 AM   
truckinslave


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Status: offline 		When people attempt to do the "moral equivalence" thing between Islam and Christianity they have to sanitize the Koran while comparing it to the Old Testament and compare ancient histories (imo, even those histories are flawed, but they are nonetheless, commonly, comparisons of past practices).
You seem to agree there can be little comparison of current practices, for whatever reason.

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RE: GOP becoming a cartoon - 3/15/2009 9:36:31 AM   
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Kitten-
Are conservatives persecuted only by evil commies? Oh hell no. We're persecuted by evil socialists, evil liberals (no, I'm not being redundant. Not quite, anyway ), even by the occasional evil self-described conservatives!!




Keep thinking that conservatives who nix the social conservative agenda are merely an occasional minority. You'll find out differently. With half the country conservative (~150 million) and only 60-70 million evangelicals, you do the math.

You need to stop squatting on the conservative label.  You represent evangelical conservatives, not conservatives.  Like the Limbaugh gang, you represent a minority, and behave like you have the backing of a majority.




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RE: GOP becoming a cartoon - 3/15/2009 9:36:34 AM   
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When people attempt to do the "moral equivalence" thing between Islam and Christianity they have to sanitize the Koran while comparing it to the Old Testament and compare ancient histories (imo, even those histories are flawed, but they are nonetheless, commonly, comparisons of past practices).
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My point is not that the Koran isn't a hate filled document filled with barbarism and intolerance. My point is that the bible is pretty much the same. Organized religion has always been a destructive force and the source of horrendous crimes. The the current version of Judeo-Christianity has been sanitized, but it doesn't mean that it's underlying text is any kinder or more humane. It's just that most religious institutions have gone out of their way to clean it up.


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RE: GOP becoming a cartoon - 3/15/2009 9:44:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, most of the poly theistic religions have been excuses for bloodbaths too,  Spinner. It's basically the situation of, "you don't share our beliefs, or have broken off from our beliefs...so we're justified in killing all of you."

Religion = insanity

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RE: GOP becoming a cartoon - 3/15/2009 10:00:27 AM   
truckinslave


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Kitten-
Are conservatives persecuted only by evil commies? Oh hell no. We're persecuted by evil socialists, evil liberals (no, I'm not being redundant. Not quite, anyway ), even by the occasional evil self-described conservatives!!




Keep thinking that conservatives who nix the social conservative agenda are merely an occasional minority. You'll find out differently. With half the country conservative (~150 million) and only 60-70 million evangelicals, you do the math.

You need to stop squatting on the conservative label.  You represent evangelical conservatives, not conservatives.  Like the Limbaugh gang, you represent a minority, and behave like you have the backing of a majority.




Couple questions, cause I'm pretty confused.
1. What is a coservative, according to you? If Limbaugh and I neither deserve the label... what's left? I mean right
2. If I follow your math, you state that there are 80-90 million conservatives who are not "evangelicas" and/or "social conservatives". Do you expect to win anything without us?


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RE: GOP becoming a cartoon - 3/15/2009 10:02:22 AM   
truckinslave


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When people attempt to do the "moral equivalence" thing between Islam and Christianity they have to sanitize the Koran while comparing it to the Old Testament and compare ancient histories (imo, even those histories are flawed, but they are nonetheless, commonly, comparisons of past practices).
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave


My point is not that the Koran isn't a hate filled document filled with barbarism and intolerance. My point is that the bible is pretty much the same. Organized religion has always been a destructive force and the source of horrendous crimes. The the current version of Judeo-Christianity has been sanitized, but it doesn't mean that it's underlying text is any kinder or more humane. It's just that most religious institutions have gone out of their way to clean it up.



My point is that Islam is a hate-filled practice. Today.

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