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Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 11:56:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		H.R. 45 - Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009
 
You can read it for yourself... but you can probably already guess.
 
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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 12:10:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I didn't read every word of it - just browsed it quickly - but I didn't see anything in there I can't live with. I saw a few things I didn't like very much, but I can probably live with just about everything I saw in the bill. These are compromises that have to happen at some point, I'm afraid.

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 1:01:36 PM   
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Same "federal registration" B.S. we get every few years in different forms. Given the number of firearms out there already, it really is just another worthless, feel-good, piece of legislation. It is just another step on the "slippery slope."

There is no real justification for registering firearms. Misuse of firearms is already regulated...you hurt/kill someone ; you shoot into the air, etc., already consequences for those things.

People who abide by the law aren't the problem, and that's what this registration regulation will cause to be the problem. it becomes a burden on good people. The "bad guys" don't register their firearms. They don't get Concealed Carry permits (don't start me up on that.) And they sure as heck wouldn't abide by this law either.



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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 1:36:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		This bill is a waste of everyone's time, we don't need it, we don't want it, it won't have the desired effect and it certainly would be the first step off the slippery slope. The government's time would be better spent working on health care legislation, that would at least have the possibility of measurable, positive results.

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 1:40:28 PM   
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As someone who supports completely getting rid of guns for all civilians, I likely won't like this because I won't see it as 'enough' =P

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 1:46:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldn't be surprised of you are correct, Scooter. Canada implemented a firearms registry program several years ago and it turned into a multi million dollar fiasco for us tax payers! 

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 1:52:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Don't see a problem here,other than the aforementioned isn't enough thing.
BTW Crush all of the regulations you cited have one thing in common,they are all after the fact consequences...none of them address the need to prevent some people from possessing some types of weapons.

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 2:41:46 PM   
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There is no real justification for registering firearms. Misuse of firearms is already regulated...you hurt/kill someone ; you shoot into the air, etc., already consequences for those things.


I'm with you.

Myself, I'm starting a campaign to ban car registrations and driver's licenses.

I mean, after all, if you hurt/kill someone in a car there are already consequences for those things. 

So why waste taxpayers' money on driver's licenses, vehicle inspections, and auto registrations?

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People who abide by the law aren't the problem, and that's what this registration regulation will cause to be the problem. it becomes a burden on good people. The "bad guys" don't register their firearms. They don't get Concealed Carry permits (don't start me up on that.) And they sure as heck wouldn't abide by this law either.


Again, that's exactly my point.

I abide by the law so why should I have to be licensed just to drive a car when there are plenty of "bad guys" out there driving around with suspended or revoked licenses.  Some who even never had a license.

You know, I'm a "good person" and I can sympathize because this whole car registration/driver's license thing is a HUGE burden on me.

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 2:44:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rule you seem to be missing the point .The bad guy driver,after killing others, perhaps driving drunk faces legal consequences....no need to try to regulate who is on our highways till after the fact....see how simple that is.

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 3:00:34 PM   
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Actually, most of you miss the point. The registration laws, background checks, etc are already in place in the states that want them. So from that standpoint, this law is entirely unnecessary. This law is an attempt to do an end run around state rights and bring firearm restriction laws under federal control by trying to claim that regulating intrastate sales of firearms to individuals is needed as part of regulating interstate commerce. By that logic, every transaction is "interstate commerce" and thusly subject to federal oversight.

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 3:06:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Honsoku

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Actually, most of you miss the point. The registration laws, background checks, etc are already in place in the states that want them. So from that standpoint, this law is entirely unnecessary. This law is an attempt to do an end run around state rights and bring firearm restriction laws under federal control by trying to claim that regulating intrastate sales of firearms to individuals is needed as part of regulating interstate commerce. By that logic, every transaction is "interstate commerce" and thusly subject to federal oversight.
No Honsoku you seem to be missing the point.What use is state A's regulation when it's neigbor state B has few and toothless regulations.The result of such diversity in state laws simply creates a situation where one state acts as armoror for their neighbor.Not effective and certainly not uniform.

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 3:45:53 PM   
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I don't need to read the link,because it simply does not matter.I will do what I do until prevented by death or incarceration. If I can't live my life my way I don't want it.

I think that with the recent "Castle law" ruling by the supreme along with the pre-eminant Marbury v Madison an effective defense could be mounted. Of course that will have to be pro se as no lawyer would do it.

I will not let the shifting of political winds change my life. If there are legal consequenses I will burn that bridge when I come to it. (I love saying that) If it ever comes to that, look for some good reading on CM, although it might be after the fact. I might refuse to make bail (I could probably get quite a bit), but if I stay in jail I would have clean living and plenty of time to work on my defense. I would not sign off of the time constraints though, so they better be working as hard as I on this. I know I am not playing with kids, but they will find out, neither are they.

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 4:36:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		You don't have to register a vehicle (or obtain a drivers license) if you don't drive it off your property. And you don't have to register it with the Federal government, or obtain a federal drivers license, even if you do. This bill has nothing to do with simple licensing or gun safety. It's about the government compiling an inventory of who has what, where.

A reasonable person might care to inquire why they want to know.
 
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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 4:57:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		And how would that inventory be compiled since nothing in this(that I saw) would have anything to do with guns allready in private possession.The paranoia exhibited from the gun crowd is staggering.

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 5:08:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hell, I just bought a new hunting rifle the other day and had to do most of the crap that they have on the list, really aside from a test and passport size photo.  And I live in one of the most firearm friendly states there is.

Honestly, I love my firearms, and I'm in favour of this, at least in spirit.  Might just prevent a few idiots that shouldn't be owning a firearm from getting one.  And, as I don't plan on going on a killing spree any time soon, I have no problem registering my firearms.  That, and it provides another benefit.  SHOULD someone steal one of my firearms, and it's registered, and they catch the person using it in a crime, it will be easier to bring other charges against that person as well.

The test, well, I like to think I'm a responsible and knowledgeable firearm owner, but, if I'm not, I'd certainly like to KNOW!  Granted, I'm not too worried, as I already have my concealed carry permit, which does require classes and testing, but, whatever.  I'd still like to know if I'm being a tad lax or whatever.


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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 5:13:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

And how would that inventory be compiled since nothing in this(that I saw) would have anything to do with guns allready in private possession.The paranoia exhibited from the gun crowd is staggering.


It's the first step down a very bad road...

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 5:29:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		hhmm is this saying all the guns I have..ssome being in my family for over a hundred years..have to be registered now?

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 5:36:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

And how would that inventory be compiled since nothing in this(that I saw) would have anything to do with guns allready in private possession.The paranoia exhibited from the gun crowd is staggering.


It's the first step down a very bad road...

So at the alter of that particular slippery slope theory,lets not do anything to address the oh so evident problem this country has with firearms....cool.

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 5:41:06 PM   
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hhmm is this saying all the guns I have..ssome being in my family for over a hundred years..have to be registered now?


Not even remotely.  This is just pertaining to the legal sale of firearms once the bill is passed, which I doubt it will be anyway.


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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 5:41:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

And how would that inventory be compiled since nothing in this(that I saw) would have anything to do with guns allready in private possession.The paranoia exhibited from the gun crowd is staggering.

It shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to possess a qualifying firearm on or after the applicable date, unless that person has been issued a firearm license
 

In this subsection, the term ‘applicable date’ means-- (A) with respect to a qualifying firearm that is acquired by the person before the date of the enactment of Blair Holt’s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, 2 years after such date of enactment; and


(B) with respect to a qualifying firearm that is acquired by the person on or after the date of the enactment of Blair Holt’s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, 1 year after such date of enactment.
 
 

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