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RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' - 3/16/2009 1:26:39 PM   
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If I were dying and leaving behind a family that needed to be supported... I would do most anything.  That it brings public awareness would be an extra bonus.  My family would be my main concern and if people hated how I did it, I might not like that, but as long as my family was taken care of... what would I care?  lol I would be dead soon and not having to listen to it.  But I might die happier knowing that whatever I did, gross, ugly, crazy, too much or too little... took care of my loved one's.

As long as there are those who want to see... and those who will promote it... I can't blame her.  I hope she raked in a bundle for those she is leaving motherless.

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RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' - 3/16/2009 1:28:41 PM   
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I'm all for cancer awareness but I don’t think we need to see someone die publicly to get the point across.

We all know someone that has died from this disease we don’t need this type of spectacle.

Think of it…If you had her form of cancer would you rather see hope… or death and dieing. Would her situation provide comfort and that all-important “hope” when fighting this disease?

We don’t need to be scared into giving.

But I think they are doing it with good intentions…I just see no use in it.

God bless her and her family.

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I'd like reality.  And that is what Jade has given.  No fake hope.  No emptiness.  If you had watched any of her programme, you get to see that.  You get to see her the day her hair fell out and how she cried.  You got to see her mother being a mum.  You got to see the way a person copes.  I don't see how that could be useless.
 
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RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' - 3/16/2009 1:34:30 PM   
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Yes it is sad that a woman with such small children is dying. But how lucky is Jade in that she can earn money from the media to put into trust for her children.  How many other women suffering in the same way would love to be able to ensure the future of their children after their death.  I know how hard it is coping with bills and mortgages etc when you are not earning. Thank goodness I don't have any kids to think about.

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RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' - 3/16/2009 1:50:58 PM   
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If I were dying and leaving behind a family that needed to be supported... I would do most anything.  That it brings public awareness would be an extra bonus.  My family would be my main concern and if people hated how I did it, I might not like that, but as long as my family was taken care of... what would I care?  lol I would be dead soon and not having to listen to it.  But I might die happier knowing that whatever I did, gross, ugly, crazy, too much or too little... took care of my loved one's.

As long as there are those who want to see... and those who will promote it... I can't blame her.  I hope she raked in a bundle for those she is leaving motherless.



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RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' - 3/16/2009 1:57:52 PM   
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Yes it is sad that a woman with such small children is dying. But how lucky is Jade in that she can earn money from the media to put into trust for her children.  How many other women suffering in the same way would love to be able to ensure the future of their children after their death.  I know how hard it is coping with bills and mortgages etc when you are not earning. Thank goodness I don't have any kids to think about.


Hmmmmm ... Is any of the money going to help anyone else except her kids ?

I'm not taking the piss asking this,I don't watch TV and I don't buy Brit newspapers,so I really don't know if this has been covered.

(funny though,I gave up on tv because it is clogged up with mindless reality crap and news that suits the government and the monarchy,so in her part at least in some way the racist thicko in question has done me a favour)

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RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' - 3/16/2009 2:05:11 PM   
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I'm all for cancer awareness but I don’t think we need to see someone die publicly to get the point across.



Maybe we - as a society - do.  Things like cancer, other diseases, natural disasters are frequently (in my experience) viewed as something that happens to THEM.  To SOMEONE ELSE.  Not me.  Not you.  Even as a former registered nurse - this was also my own opinion.

Until my mom, as the age of 59, was diagnosed with breast cancer.  A lifelong smoker and heavy drinker - I expected something down the road - particularly lung cancer.  But not breast cancer.  I am any better at my own cancer screenings because of losing her?  Honestly - I haven't been.

But now with Jade - a woman younger with me, with a child the same age as mine ..... it hits home a little closer.  I've booked my mammogram.

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RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' - 3/16/2009 2:07:53 PM   
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RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' - 3/16/2009 2:37:47 PM   
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(funny though,I gave up on tv because it is clogged up with mindless reality crap and news that suits the government and the monarchy,so in her part at least in some way the racist thicko in question has done me a favour)


That's how I first became aware of her and couldn't get my head around someone with a face like a foot insulting someone elses appearance. Not that I'd wish any of this on her, but it's hard to get any more worked up over her than anyone else dying of cancer when trashy reality star was her crowning achievement.

It is good that she's raising awareness for screening of the disease, and it seems like she's made the most of the time she has, so I do give her credit for being inspirational in her final moments even if she's not a particularly inspiring person.

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RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' - 3/16/2009 2:53:59 PM   
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I'm all for cancer awareness but I don’t think we need to see someone die publicly to get the point across.

We all know someone that has died from this disease we don’t need this type of spectacle.

Think of it…If you had her form of cancer would you rather see hope… or death and dieing. Would her situation provide comfort and that all-important “hope” when fighting this disease?

We don’t need to be scared into giving.

But I think they are doing it with good intentions…I just see no use in it.

God bless her and her family.

Butch


I'd like reality.  And that is what Jade has given.  No fake hope.  No emptiness.  If you had watched any of her programme, you get to see that.  You get to see her the day her hair fell out and how she cried.  You got to see her mother being a mum.  You got to see the way a person copes.  I don't see how that could be useless.
 
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I don't need to see it with her...I saw it with my daughter
 
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RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' - 3/16/2009 3:41:54 PM   
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I'm not *in touch* with the media , in that I see headlines in the newspapers in my local shop and have no desire to read on.

I don't care what Jade Goody is , where she came from and how she lived/lives what's left of her life. I have no opinion on how she * does* the end of her life.

She's on her way out ...I hope she wrings every second of whatever she wants from her time left. She irritates the crap out of me as a *personality* but she was in the public eye before and is in the public eye now.

We all know when people in the limelight, fuck-up, make mistakes, love and die .........The rest of us are noteworthy to those around us and generally make do with that. We don't HAVE the life of a *celeb*....living OR dying.

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RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' - 3/16/2009 4:31:17 PM   
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It's a sad thing to have happened to her and her people. At this point passing any sort of judgement on it matters little. Hopefully peace for her and her family will come.

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RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' - 3/16/2009 4:58:52 PM   
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The biggest not concern but wondering is, in this day and age and in the future these clips of her are going to be easily accessible to people.  What about her kids when they are older and their friends find these clips or well hell their mean friends find it.  Nowadays so many things can be broadcasted "anonyomously."  I just believe that her decision while yes may be wise on one hand could cause her kids a lot of pain in the future also.  Could any of you imagine one of your friends saying hey, look at this and shows you a picture or video clip of your mom in pain and dying among the press when you are 10, 13, 15 etc?  Years ago things were so easily accessible such as video clips or newspaper and radio clips.  I just keep thinkng about her kids seeing all this footage in the future and the pain they will feel when they watch it.

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RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' - 3/17/2009 2:58:06 AM   
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Then don't watch it Butch.  It really is as simple as that.  Don't pick up the books, don't watch the programmes, do not watch the interviews.
 
However, some people seem oblivious to the fact that Jade is doing exactly what she is known for.  Reality T.V.  And good vibes to her.
 
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RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' - 3/17/2009 4:51:19 AM   
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Meanwhile the death Wendy Richard, a popular and loved television actress who started out in the 1960's, also from cancer, is duly noted and the world carries on as before.

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RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' - 3/17/2009 5:43:35 AM   
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The world always carries on as before, Stella.


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RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' - 3/17/2009 6:11:57 AM   
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Meanwhile the death Wendy Richard, a popular and loved television actress who started out in the 1960's, also from cancer, is duly noted and the world carries on as before.



Respect.

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RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' - 3/17/2009 6:41:16 AM   
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Meanwhile the death Wendy Richard, a popular and loved television actress who started out in the 1960's, also from cancer, is duly noted and the world carries on as before.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   Not quite as before.  Youtube have disabled the video of her racist remarks about the Thai woman, Kat.

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RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' - 3/17/2009 7:25:46 AM   
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What you and everyone else is forgetting is that this is a girl that came from nothing, a junkie/alcoholic for a mother, a junkie/alcoholic for a grandmother, an absentee father who subsequently died and few opportunities in life. When she appeared on Big Brother it catapaulted her to nationwide scrutiny that provided her with a celebrity lifestyle, albeit a bizarre one, and where she has remained ever since. The crew that follow her around and document her life are a kind of family to her, sad but true. She had very little affection/love in her life and she took it wherever and whenever she could. One thing that does shine through in this lady is her determination and tenacity to endure. Not only was her life changed, but also thousands of others who, like she, and through her, saw that there are opportunities available beyond the crap they grew up in and remained, that people who are siblings or offspring of addicts didn't have to follow in their footsteps, that there is hope.
Despite opinion, Jade is a very intelligent and likeable person. She used that tenacity to crawl out from poverty and change her life for the better. Whether people agree with how she's done it is incidental, it really doesn't matter, they aren't leading her life, haven't gone through her experiences and the main critique seems to be that she should die with 'dignity'. Behind closed doors and go quietly, you mean? Sounds about right. This is a lady who scares us, she scares us b/c we see a little of ourself in her but there is a huge difference, she took life in both hands and went for it and we seem to always down-tread people we think should 'stay down'. It smacks of jealousy, of bitter failures at not having the same opportuntiies, afterall, why should a common slapper reap such rewards where others have failed? Would you wish to trade places with her now to show her how it's done?

There is a huge misconception as to what is actually considered racist. We all are to a certain extent if ignorance is anything to go by, whether that's due to environment, stereotypical behaviour of our peers or a lack of education. Jade grew up in a mixed ethnic community, as I did, where it was common place to apply slang and refer to one another in terms of ethnicity b/c that's how we stood out. No one took offence b/c it was never done with the intention of causing offence. When Jade was shown how her comments were considered racist she could have simply stuck two fingers up and lauded in her notoriety and she would still have made a fortune, however, she chose not to. She educated herself, became involved in race relations and worked at changing her perceptions.

As for the press focusing more on Jade's decline than the death of Wendy Richard. Are you seriously that egotistical in deciding who does/not deserve press coverage? I seriously cannot stand the pouting silliness of Paris Hilton but do not begrudge her the publicity she receives because of it and why? B/c there are people willing (for whatever reason) to purchase the magazines and papers featuring her. Their tastes simply differ from mine and I always have a choice - my choice is not to buy or watch the media covering stories of her.

Whether you like it or not, Jade Goodey is an icon for Reality Television and her legacy will continue long after you finish rejoicing the final nail driven into her coffin. I, for one, applaud all that she's achieved, accomplished and overcome, the way she has secured finances for her children (something most parents struggle to do) and used her plight to not only bring awareness to cervical cancer but also to potentially lower the age of screening in the UK.

We can't all be slumdog millionaires. Don't begrudge someone who is. The victim in all this is Jade Goodey but she worked damn hard to remove herself from victim-status. Shilpa Shetty forgave her for the bullying she was subjected to in the Big Brother house, why is it some members of the public can't?  Would I still say all of the above were she not dying, you bet your ass I would. The only exception being is if she had not worked at rectifying her mistakes/ignorance, but I'd still admire her tenacity and business acumen.


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RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' - 3/17/2009 7:57:51 AM   
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From a time when I used to watch Big Brother, before it got sad, a programme with an interesting cross of normal people I was amused with Jade Goodie, she to me represented  a normal working class type person. A person with a dream to own no more than her own hairdressing shop,what I then understood as a typical Essex girl, white shoes and handbags at the ready. I remember her antics on the show, her and her 'kebab', a completeley honest unpretentious person, a person up for fun. Now when first learning she had cancer, it passed me by, like so many others we hear of who develop this disease . Now this recent announcement that Jade has again become a victim and the prognosis being what it is, I was surprised at the lack of interest shown by the media, but then she does not have the allure of say, Miss Minogue who fought in a sea of media driven publicity and empathy. But now Max Clifford is on the case and with Jade's agreement they are bringing this horror to the world' attention, the true gritty horror as it is for normal people and by all accounts, it is working, those that in the past did'nt know, are learning.

Jade Goodie, is an Icon, a British Icon, she has had her moments, but she is in her pain and distress bringing home what this disease really is. I personally am very sad  at her condition, and by that sad for all those others who she champions, the otherwise normal people.

The only thing that is missing, is other people's experiences of NHS healthcare, which can be good, bad, indifferent and many other things in a service driven by performance and finance not care, a service likened by many to a postcode lottery.


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RE: Jade 'says goodbyes to family' - 3/17/2009 9:14:33 AM   
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You know.... when someone gets sick, most often people start walking out of their lives.  As a matter of discomfort for some in not knowing what to say or do or not liking to see it all and even to the point of being uncomfortable seeing illness and even death so close to home so to speak.  I had a thriving career in the public eye, lots of friends and co worker's and family.  When I had to resign and was left to make my way, I then also had poverty to contend with as well as finding a way to pay for all those doctors and whatever trip they decided to take me down.  Sometimes so much money went to them that I would be left with ten dollars a week to care for my household.  Well you can guess what happened to the household!  People scattered left and right.  Other's were so busy.. as we all worked day and night at what we did, that they could no longer fit me in and that was fine with me as what we did was far more important than visiting with me!

The one's that stuck around.. I walked away from.  After years of watching me and my life fall apart and seeing how it affected my friends, whom I loved dearly, I realized they simply were not strong enough to continue to watch me go from the dynamic woman they knew... to one stuck in poverty, always struggling, seeing the medications by my bed and all the personal details one lives with when really ill and sometimes with no answers.

Now many years later, less medications, less drama because we know what is wrong and not living in as much poverty because I now have a roommate in my son (adult)... after the other's walked... and I did too, I wonder... who the hell wants to watch someone die?  My answer... not many.  No one so far in my life took pleasure in watching it all.  I do have to wonder though... if making these things more public might be an advantage in helping some see that life and death can be ugly, but it can often require strength... becasue much of the time... you are dying alone.

One thing Jade did... she made sure she didn't!  Kudo's to her!  So some were there for the wrong reasons... guess what?  Even to the living healthy one's... there are those in their life that are not there for the right reasons.  So if she got some support... if she made her way.. if she took a stand on life and death or her illness and she paved a path of any sort... I think she deserve's credit... whatever her motive was!

Death is a part of life... one we hide away and hide from a lot of the time.  I think some people just need to deal.  Don't like it... don't watch... You are the more common from my experience as well as all the people I worked with, helped, loved and was a part of their life... Most walk away... or rather... RUN...

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