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kittyboy -> RE: Ren Faires... (3/29/2009 9:22:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kidwithknife

While the UK doesn't really have Ren Faires as such


Sure it does, or groups like the British Plate Armour Society wouldn't exist.

IMO there are a high percentage of people in the lifestyle within Living History, Reenactment, LARP and SCA circles for several reasons:

Skills, you find a higher concentration of leatherworkers, metalsmiths, people who need to know ropes etc in the Reenactment scene than you would in society as a whole.

Within Renfaire and SCA culture in particular you findd alot of fashion overlaps with the scene when it comes to corsets, boots, leather accoutrements etc.

Both scenes attract people who exist outside of the normal boundarys of society, moral, social, etc and as such people in the reenactment scene tend to be alot more accepting when it comes to outre aspects of peoples lives eg. TG, BDSM, Chartered Accountancy, etc.

You often have similar dynamics within a knight/squire or Lady/Lady in waiting relationship as a master/slave relationship.

Just my 2c of course.




Vendaval -> RE: Ren Faires... (3/29/2009 10:42:33 PM)

It's a real shame, Wyld.  I have performed there too as a musician but don't feel like dealing with the new promoters at all.


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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt
That's a shame, Vendaval. SLO used to be a kickass Faire that I worked many times. I wonder what the rules for after hours are there now. If they are as draconian, they will lose even more of their performers. 




WyldHrt -> RE: Ren Faires... (3/30/2009 12:03:14 AM)

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It's a real shame, Wyld.  I have performed there too as a musician but don't feel like dealing with the new promoters at all.

I don't blame you. Performers get paid a pittance, and often spend more than they make on costumes, gear, camping passes, etc. Even for those making tips, it isn't a huge money maker and is usually done as a hobby for fun. When "new management" takes away the fun, the motivation to participate is gone. 




InTonguesslave -> RE: Ren Faires... (3/30/2009 5:10:04 AM)

i put up ren fairies on my profile cos i thougtht it was something to do with fairies perse - god im such an idiot!!![&o]

what is it then? - apologies if anyone has explained already, ive just flicked through this - ignore me if someone has and ill come back later and read this properly...,




Aneirin -> RE: Ren Faires... (3/30/2009 5:35:42 AM)

Looking on the youtube for video material about renn fires, they look a whole lot of fun, the emphasis being on fun, not authenticity. Authenticity was the bugbear of British re-enactment societies, everything had to be correct and authentic to six feet, (this being the distance something should look ''correct'' at when being viewed by another). Other societies, one I started, back in my sad days, were authentic as near as is humanly possible, we learned the skills and recreated the kit, it looked good, but was looking back, kind of anal. At the time, it was about looking good for the English Heritage mob, so we could ensure future bookings, maybe even payment, or at least expenses, but it was all kind of boring in a way, we were more educators than people out to have fun.

The only events which I feel might come somewhere near to the renn faire, is the pagan camps I used to attend, where it was fun, and fun with a capital ''F'', it being more a free for all with people, campers who were of the fringe set, not the general public. Stuff like multi period circle of treachery, some unclothed battling, getting pie eyed around camp fires drinking home brew wine, the musicians, playing what they brought, drums, lyres, whistles, (always a strong Irish flavour to the music) and then the dancers, wild and naked, dancing to drums and leaping the flames, always a good entertainment.

It was in Battle Re-enactment I first came across the Gorean, and did think at the time, perhaps some people were taking things a little too seriously, myself not being aware of Gor at the time aside from a vague name on a book with a wonderous often Vallejo painted cover. But other things that went on at pagan camps, there I saw elements of such that I now know are included under the umbrella of BDSM.

So, yep, I would say anything '' fringe'',, bdsm activity practioners, will be found, as it is those that are willing to devote their spare time to dressing up like a plum and living an alternative life, are free enough in themselves to be expressive of themselves and we all know freedom of expression is an indicator of a free'er person, and adults playing fantasy games is freedo of expression, and good for us.




GreedyTop -> RE: Ren Faires... (3/30/2009 6:38:35 AM)

A.. here, it depends on the Faire.  If you google Renaissance Entertainment Corp., they are known for emphasis on authenticity. Those are the Faires I worked. The faire here in Tampa makes me twitch because it seems like authenticy is an afterthought.




DavanKael -> RE: Ren Faires... (3/30/2009 9:27:47 AM)

I think that CallaFirestorm stated many reasons for kinky folk enjoying Ren Faires extremely well. 
I enjoy costuming very much.  As others have pointed out, corsets and bodices worn at Ren Faires are a part of bdsm-wear at times as well.  I think that a lot of folks know that it's a safe place to 'let their freak flags fly' (I mean that in the best possible ways) and take the opportunity to do so. 
Also, there are tons of subtle cues around in terms of what people are wearing and their interactional dynamics that are telling regarding kink involvement.  Additionally, I don't believe I have ever seen so many collars anywhere. 
People who are 'in the know' are more tuned in. 
Having attended and worked Ren Faires, I will absolutely say that there's a pervasive alt-lifestyle presence.  :> 
  Davan
(Who is finally getting her pirate coat custom made by Damsel in this Dress bodices: check out their web site for amazingly well-made goodies at fabulous prices.  And, good people too!)




DavanKael -> RE: Ren Faires... (3/30/2009 9:35:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

I think that CallaFirestorm stated many reasons for kinky folk enjoying Ren Faires extremely well. 
I enjoy costuming very much and haven't the tiniest shred of interest in authenticity so much as things that look cool.  As others have pointed out, corsets and bodices worn at Ren Faires are a part of bdsm-wear at times as well.  I think that a lot of folks know that it's a safe place to 'let their freak flags fly' (I mean that in the best possible ways) and take the opportunity to do so. 
Many people like to play with the use of titles.  Those facets annoy the crap out of me, but then so too do they when thrown around in bdsm parlance, lol!  And the accents, oh, how I hate the accents! 
Also, there are tons of subtle cues around in terms of what people are wearing and their interactional dynamics that are telling regarding kink involvement.  Additionally, I don't believe I have ever seen so many collars anywhere. 
People who are 'in the know' are more tuned in.  Many folks, at a faire I worked last year, cued in on relational dyanmics between myself and the individual with whom I was working and we were, in no way, overt.  It's kinda cool when people 'just know' and venerate power-dynamic-based relationships as a matter of course rather than exception. 
Having attended and worked Ren Faires, I will absolutely say that there's a pervasive alt-lifestyle presence.  :> 
Davan
(Who is finally getting her pirate coat custom made by Damsel in this Dress bodices: check out their web site for amazingly well-made goodies at fabulous prices.  And, good people too!)




DavanKael -> RE: Ren Faires... (3/30/2009 9:36:55 AM)

Gack, sorry folks: I meant to 'edit' and quoted myself with changes instead.  The second is the more thorough post. 
  Davan
(Who apparently isn't awake yet...need more caffeine)




lameduck13 -> RE: Ren Faires... (3/30/2009 1:17:55 PM)

Back to the original post and the question posed therein. You'll find that those who frequent/participate in Ren fairs and alt culture have a lot in common. Many desire the structure based society of the times as well as the M/s/D/s relationships of today's alt culture.  I absolutely love the fact that I can visit the local Ren fair and bring my Role Play character from both the internet and my small local RP society to life in flesh as well as on paper/internet. Granted my flesh version still doesn't have that $5,147.95 armor outfit my paper version does I do have the $900 British long bow and quiver set-up my paper version ahs as well as the $500 leather boots.

My local Ren Fest is on the pricey side and always falls in the begining of fall and in Ohio fall =cold & windy, so not very many people are as skantily clad as I'd like, and they've stopped serving "mead". [sm=buddies.gif]




FelineFae -> RE: Ren Faires... (3/30/2009 1:32:26 PM)

-fr-

lol, lets see.

Spanish Inquision, torture / SadoMaso
Corsets and people tied to burning stakes / bondage and fireplay
Dunking or Trial by Water / water bondage
Stocks and Pillories / bondage and humiliation
Whipping / public play, maso', humiliation

are we starting to see a theme here?




SteelofUtah -> RE: Ren Faires... (3/30/2009 1:41:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval
FYI,
 
The latest set of promoters at our local faire here decided to "clean up" the faire, no more floggers out or handcuffs or slaves on a lead.  And they even made the belly dancers cover their middle sections
 
As a result, attendance is down for vendors, performers and the audience.
Fewer people = less money.


This is the reason I have issue with trying to make everyone happy. I get that some people don't want people they are in charge of seeing certain things. However the SCA is a group of people reinacting that particular time period in which those things would have been seen.

When peopl go and try to PC Police these things they RUIN them. PISSES ME OFF.

THIS is why we need to tell people who whine and piss and moan about certain things to get over it because what gets ruined is what made it profitable in the first place.

Steel




JovialSadist -> RE: Ren Faires... (3/30/2009 3:29:36 PM)

Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to read and post. I always try to keep an open mind and find that my concept of what Ren Faires entail is a bit different from fact. What little bit I had been told about them must have come from someone who disliked them; but having heard what has been said, I think I'll attend the next one here in Vegas...




thatonebitch -> RE: Ren Faires... (3/30/2009 3:49:25 PM)

I love them because I love history.  The renaissance was my favorite period in time.  Why, I don't know.

And also, I second the turkey legs.




HeavansKeeper -> RE: Ren Faires... (3/30/2009 3:52:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: InTonguesslave

i put up ren fairies on my profile cos i thougtht it was something to do with fairies perse - god im such an idiot!!![&o]

what is it then? - apologies if anyone has explained already, ive just flicked through this - ignore me if someone has and ill come back later and read this properly...,



You must have misread... It says Ren Faire, not farIE. Renaissance Festivals (or fair/faire) are a celebration of Middle England in the Middle Ages.




Drifa -> RE: Ren Faires... (3/30/2009 5:16:38 PM)

The SCA gives me the opportunity to put on a bunch of armor that mostly protects my hands, head and joints, and then go out and have a bunch of big men and tough women beat my ass black and blue with rattan sticks. Do I need to explain that further?




Andalusite -> RE: Ren Faires... (3/30/2009 6:33:41 PM)

I was a Ren Faire participant for a while, but didn't start until after I'd been doing BDSM for a few years. Yeah, it does tend to be a place where a greater degree than usual of public display of S/M is allowed/encouraged, and of course, everyone wears corsets! I think it's more that a few particular subcultures tend to have a lot of the same people: D/s, BDSM, Ren Faire/SCA/other historical reenactors, gothic/industrial, geeks, Sci Fi fandom (particularly conventions), pagans, poly/open relationships, and bisexuals. Not everyone is "all of the above" of course, but the Venn diagrams thave a lot of overlap!

I don't like the big ones, they tend to be too commercialised for my taste. The smaller ones are a lot more fun!




PommeDeMonSang -> RE: Ren Faires... (3/30/2009 10:19:56 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval
FYI,
 
The latest set of promoters at our local faire here decided to "clean up" the faire, no more floggers out or handcuffs or slaves on a lead.  And they even made the belly dancers cover their middle sections
 
As a result, attendance is down for vendors, performers and the audience.
Fewer people = less money.


This is the reason I have issue with trying to make everyone happy. I get that some people don't want people they are in charge of seeing certain things. However the SCA is a group of people reinacting that particular time period in which those things would have been seen.

When peopl go and try to PC Police these things they RUIN them. PISSES ME OFF.

THIS is why we need to tell people who whine and piss and moan about certain things to get over it because what gets ruined is what made it profitable in the first place.

Steel


SCA is a rockin thing to be involved in and believe me though it can get interesting it is defiantly a family thing




WyldHrt -> RE: Ren Faires... (3/30/2009 11:03:22 PM)

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What little bit I had been told about them must have come from someone who disliked them; but having heard what has been said, I think I'll attend the next one here in Vegas...

Woot! I last worked Vegas in 2002, but it has always been a great little faire (little as in 10,000+ people through the gates in a weekend). For one thing, it is the last "stand" of the season for many vendors, so leather goods, jewelry, and nearly everything else is a fraction of the price charged at the big, mid season, REC type events. For another, it is the last "huzzah" of the season for many of the West Coast performers, and they make the most of it. Lastly, I always loved Vegas for the number of locals that show up and get into the spirit of things. Something about ditching the neon for a day and going "old school" with the costumes and characters and turkey legs seems to bring out the fun in folks there.

Hmmm... almost sounds like an excuse for a CM/rennie/SCA convention in Vegas, dunnit? [:D]




Vendaval -> RE: Ren Faires... (3/30/2009 11:10:27 PM)

I have gone to the faire in Vegas and it was a blast.  Don't know if it is at the same location every year or not but that time was in a park by a lake.




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