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RE: Intelligence of extremely submissive males is much ... - 4/1/2009 5:54:22 AM   
OmegaG


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Status: offline 		The cross section of idiot male submissives v. other demographics on this site who e-mail me enmass declaring their love for me and their willingness to become my bitch, indicated to me that male submissives do not corner the market in intelligence.

In order for the theory proposed to hold water, the OP would have to eliminate at least half the men who identify as submissives, or at least give them reading comprehension classes.

Of course, it would seem to me that shrinks would say that someone who endured as a child and continues to seek out the same situations is not clever, but rather is suffering from a disorder that plenty of couch time would take care of.  Masochism isn't about staying in a familiar zone, it's about seeking exhiliration.

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RE: Intelligence of extremely submissive males is much ... - 4/1/2009 6:28:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		OP, you DO realize that using proper grammar will not undercut your statement with irony, right?

Okay, now with the snarky comment out of the way, is there a study that you are citing here?  Or is this simply your unsupported opinion?

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RE: Intelligence of extremely submissive males is much ... - 4/1/2009 6:31:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Stubbornness and strong survival instincts have no correlation to intelligence.
In fact, I might hypothesize that a truly intelligent person would have learned how to survive without being beaten bloody and scarred. And one who did not develop such effective coping strategies must therefore be less intelligent.

Out, damned typo

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RE: Intelligence of extremely submissive males is much ... - 4/1/2009 7:44:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: subinchico

Because, extremely submissive males (i.e. into being beaten bloody, scarred/trampled/broken), survived/endured "hardships" during childhood/adolescence, which built “character” including intellect, even cleverness. I don’t know, just throwing this out there.



An interesting idea, though I will mention I've known of several women in my lifetime who have admitted to looking upon submissive men with Top Secret contempt, often citing their proclivities as the mark of dumb and weak victim. Inversely, I've known women who look highly upon submissive males, feeling that any male who authentically submits to a female has actualized the natural intent of his sex—a process of reasoning that can only be reached through deep inflection and human understanding. As for the males themselves, there are those in vast quantities who believe they are "submissive" and but fail miserably in its application past being topped, and (finally) the select percentage of males who really get it. To the latter group—which is, by virtue of its purity, much more finite—one can still find a variety of dispositions and intelligence levels, from truly pathetic to brilliant, from those made by their abuses and those who chose to walk the path willingly. The more one looks into the permutations of male (or female) submission, the grander and more complex the tapestry gets. Assuming nearly any absolute to any group of people will fail. Millions of individuals may converge upon the same general answer to their way of life, but you'll find they have all done different math to get there.

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RE: Intelligence of extremely submissive males is much ... - 4/1/2009 7:44:10 AM   
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RE: Intelligence of extremely submissive males is much ... - 4/1/2009 7:48:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut

Omg you have it so wrong op. Anyone with a bad background is either a stripper, a hooker or a no limit sub. Read the power or right thread, you'll learn


I'm waiting for the clif notes, that thread was already 8 pages long the first time I saw it.

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RE: Intelligence of extremely submissive males is much ... - 4/1/2009 7:51:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OmegaG

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ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut

Omg you have it so wrong op. Anyone with a bad background is either a stripper, a hooker or a no limit sub. Read the power or right thread, you'll learn


I'm waiting for the clif notes, that thread was already 8 pages long the first time I saw it.


It's carnage i tell ya
i always did like a bit of a mayhem though !!

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RE: Intelligence of extremely submissive males is much ... - 4/1/2009 7:57:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut

quote:

ORIGINAL: OmegaG

quote:

ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut

Omg you have it so wrong op. Anyone with a bad background is either a stripper, a hooker or a no limit sub. Read the power or right thread, you'll learn


I'm waiting for the clif notes, that thread was already 8 pages long the first time I saw it.


It's carnage i tell ya
i always did like a bit of a mayhem though !!


I may have to take the time to slog through it then.

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RE: Intelligence of extremely submissive males is much ... - 4/1/2009 8:16:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Are you proposing that perhaps the more submissive someone the higher their intellect is because they over analyze the negaive side of life more than they even consider the positive side? This is a leading theory on why highly intellectual people are 5 times likely to be depressed than average intellectual people. I personally beleive that the more you know about life, and the world, the more trivial things seam.

Now another theory on extremely submissive people is smarter people ussually have more demanding jobs and responsabilities and they may just want to "lose" control when they aren't at work. May they are tired of being in control and desire to be submissive instead of being on top all the time.

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RE: Intelligence of extremely submissive males is much ... - 4/1/2009 8:22:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: subinchico

Because, extremely submissive males (i.e. into being beaten bloody, scarred/trampled/broken), survived/endured "hardships" during childhood/adolescence, which built “character” including intellect, even cleverness. I don’t know, just throwing this out there.



Abuse doesn't build character. Abuse doesn't make anyone more intelligent. Abuse doesn't make anyone submissive. Being submissive doesn't make anyone more intelligent. Being submissive doesn't mean a person has better character.

Repeat above but replace submissive with dominant.

Quit trying to glorify personality traits. Quit making excuses for being submissive.


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RE: Intelligence of extremely submissive males is much ... - 4/1/2009 9:36:14 AM   
littlekitten1


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Status: offline 		I'm so tired of the idea that harships "build character"... They don't.. Havng had a tough life doesn't make you more improtant, interesting, smarter or better than anyone else...

I've dealt with things, but I would never use that as an excuse to brag about myself and gain pity/attention/praise....
I also try as hard as I can not to take advantage of hardships... Some people use it as an excuse to have it easier than other in for example school and work. "I was too depressed to deal with the work." ... Sometimes it's true, but many people just use it as an excuse.

Now.. If someone has dealt with hardships and decided to better themselves after that. Then good for them :)

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RE: Intelligence of extremely submissive males is much ... - 4/1/2009 11:41:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian


quote:

ORIGINAL: subinchico

Because, extremely submissive males (i.e. into being beaten bloody, scarred/trampled/broken), survived/endured "hardships" during childhood/adolescence, which built “character” including intellect, even cleverness. I don’t know, just throwing this out there.



An interesting idea, though I will mention I've known of several women in my lifetime who have admitted to looking upon submissive men with Top Secret contempt, often citing their proclivities as the mark of dumb and weak victim. Inversely, I've known women who look highly upon submissive males, feeling that any male who authentically submits to a female has actualized the natural intent of his sex—a process of reasoning that can only be reached through deep inflection and human understanding. As for the males themselves, there are those in vast quantities who believe they are "submissive" and but fail miserably in its application past being topped, and (finally) the select percentage of males who really get it. To the latter group—which is, by virtue of its purity, much more finite—one can still find a variety of dispositions and intelligence levels, from truly pathetic to brilliant, from those made by their abuses and those who chose to walk the path willingly. The more one looks into the permutations of male (or female) submission, the grander and more complex the tapestry gets. Assuming nearly any absolute to any group of people will fail. Millions of individuals may converge upon the same general answer to their way of life, but you'll find they have all done different math to get there.


That is probably as perfect an answer to this question as it is possible to articulate. You smacked it right square in the nose.


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RE: Intelligence of extremely submissive males is much ... - 4/1/2009 11:52:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		First off, I don't buy into the theory at all.  But, if I did, it would also mean that submission always (or almost always) stems from an abusive past- if I'm reading you correctly, that is. 

So, to play devil's advocate, if this WERE the case, why would submissive males have a much higher intelligence level?  Would not ~all~ submissives, male or female, be on the same learning curve?  Or are you suggesting that female submission comes from some other motivation or background?  Just curious.

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RE: Intelligence of extremely submissive males is much ... - 4/1/2009 11:56:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: littlekitten1

I'm so tired of the idea that harships "build character"... They don't.. Havng had a tough life doesn't make you more improtant, interesting, smarter or better than anyone else...



I won't really disagree with that, but I will nitpick just a bit. Time and again I've noticed that people who've never faced genuine adversity in their lives are people i have a hard time really getting close to. I tend to trust people who have a strong sense of who they are and why, what they believe in and why, what they're willing to do to achieve their goals and what they're not willing to do. And why.

And I've seldom, if ever, found that quality in people who've had really easy lives. Nobody really knows who they are until they've been tested, and if they don't know who they are - and what they're made of - how can I know? And if I can't know, how can I really count on them? Enduring hardship in and of itself does not necessarily mean someone will have strong character, but in my personal experience the absence of having ever gone through really difficult times has almost always meant there was some sort of void in a person, something not fully shaped or developed. I know some people will strongly disagree with that, but i don't care. I stand by it.

So, yeah. You're right in saying that hardship itself doesn't build character. But it does give people much more opportunity to shape their character, makes for a much more fertile ground for building that character. When it comes to making friends, give me people who've suffered, who've had to overcome some sort of significant obstacles to build a life for themselves. Those are the people I want close to me.


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RE: Intelligence of extremely submissive males is much ... - 4/1/2009 12:33:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		"So, yeah. You're right in saying that hardship itself doesn't build character. But it does give people much more opportunity to shape their character, makes for a much more fertile ground for building that character. When it comes to making friends, give me people who've suffered, who've had to overcome some sort of significant obstacles to build a life for themselves. Those are the people I want close to me."

not personally directed to you and how you chose your freinds, but i would arguee that we seek out people with simular experiances, who have suffered in pretty close to the same way we have. the character you respect in someone is the character you see in yourself, that and its easyier to strike up conversation with someone from a simular backround,

i dont think anyone has lived an easy life(or hard for that matter) but the tests they have faced so far, if relating to your own will make them a strong character in your eyes, if they dont relate at all to something you find important you wont find it valid in your personal messurements of character


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RE: Intelligence of extremely submissive males is much ... - 4/1/2009 12:35:26 PM   
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RE: Intelligence of extremely submissive males is much ... - 4/1/2009 1:00:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Vanityfull

not personally directed to you and how you chose your freinds, but i would arguee that we seek out people with simular experiances, who have suffered in pretty close to the same way we have. the character you respect in someone is the character you see in yourself, that and its easyier to strike up conversation with someone from a simular backround,

i dont think anyone has lived an easy life(or hard for that matter) but the tests they have faced so far, if relating to your own will make them a strong character in your eyes, if they dont relate at all to something you find important you wont find it valid in your personal messurements of character



That's a very insightful observation; but actually, in my own situation I find that generally not to be the case. Not to blather on too much about myself, but in my case, I suffered some pretty horrific injuries in a construction accident in college. I was hospitalized for months, and it was years before I could walk normally again. I lost a lot of things during those years, including my home, a marriage I treasured, and all of my personal possessions, including every penny I owned. 10 years after I thought I'd recovered, I found out I'd contracted hepatitis C in the hospital, and in the years it took to rebuild my life from that, I once again lost almost everything I'd accumulated and everything that was most precious to me. So my own particular trials were all medically related, but i tend to shy well away from people with similar backgrounds, for reasons I won't go into here. Let's just say that my way of dealing with past trauma is to move on from it, not wallow in it. I don't fit well with people who have a different approach.

The kind of people I'm often most comfortable with are people who - no matter what the trials they faced - have learned from them and moved on. I've found it doesn't particularly matter what the obstacles were that they had to overcome, the commonality is that they learned lessons from it and now that it's over, they look to the future instead of dwelling in the past. It could be that the challenges they faced are that they're ex-Marines or former Special Forces; or it could be that it's a 25-year old single mother who lost her husband at age 20 and is raising three progeny on her own.... all that matters to me is that I need to feel some sense that whatever they had to go through, they came through it stronger and moved on from it. To me, those are the most interesting - and often the most reliable - people I've ever met. And those are the people i tend to trust.


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RE: Intelligence of extremely submissive males is much ... - 4/1/2009 4:14:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hm.. Well I don't know..
But as Vanity said, maybe you just relate better to people who had tougher hardships... or more unfortunate ones if you can call it that.
I don't think anyone has it easy, cos everything has its consequenses.

I have a really good friend, who never really experienced any unfortunate hardships of the kind you describe.. Or the kinds I've gone through. But he's a good person, he's smart, well-educated... He still isn't sure what he wants from life, but he's only 19 so that's ok.
He often has good advice, and has a good humor.
I don't see why a bad experience is needed here. He's already a good, well-shaped person, and I think that a bad experience would just complicate things :)

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RE: Intelligence of extremely submissive males is much ... - 4/1/2009 7:16:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I was definitely under the influence, chemically, as re-reading this OP, I see weaknesses abound!
1. First, Sexually submissive is missing from subject/title line.  I'm a dominant, pompous, conceited asshole in public (my occupation calls for it), extreme sub in private (like to be trampled bloody)..
2. Gender should have been left out, or females added to subject/title line.
3. Surviving childhood hardships should have been included in subject/title line.

Its genesis was inspired by the trend of mass intelligence assumed in humans here and on FL vs other sites I play in.
I’ve read only two replies so as I continue I expect some confusion/hostility/bitterness.  I apologize.
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ORIGINAL: subinchico

Because, extremely submissive males (i.e. into being beaten bloody, scarred/trampled/broken), survived/endured "hardships" during childhood/adolescence, which built “character” including intellect, even cleverness. I don’t know, just throwing this out there.






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RE: Intelligence of extremely submissive males is much ... - 4/1/2009 8:31:39 PM   
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<<<< keeps looking for the intelligent dominant males to show up...  But then they may be laughing so hard they can't type.

cAn"k pyte...

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