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RE: Down Right Horny!!! - 1/29/2006 6:20:29 AM   
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RE: Down Right Horny!!! - 1/29/2006 6:52:34 AM   
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it would be a very dumb and stupid act if a dom said no . and it would show you that the sub is not loved in any way shape or form .
i am all for it .
love on darling


This is ridiculous. Saying no to sex doesn't mean you don't love your sub or slave. It simply means "No, I'm not interested" or "No, I don't want to" or some variation of that.

Few people are up for sex at all hours.

Or "No, I'm going to be a sadistic bastard tonight and enjoy your misery for a bit, hehehe." But I agree. Obviously this guy has no clue what he's talking about.

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RE: Down Right Horny!!! - 1/29/2006 6:58:02 AM   
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While this is true to an extent, IrishMist, the Dom/me that doesn't take the subs needs into consideration will not be with that sub or any other for long.

It's an exchange of power and with power comes responsibility. To take that power and completely ignore the needs of the sub is irresponsible.


But, sex is not a NEED. It's a WANT :)

And, I would never suggest that a submissive/slave not try and have their NEEDS met. When I was married, it mattered not if I was in the mood or not. If weeks went by and he wanted to deny me sex...so be it, I was denied. This did not make me UNHAPPY, it just made me very very sexually frustrated.

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RE: Down Right Horny!!! - 1/29/2006 7:17:02 AM   
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And, I would never suggest that a submissive/slave not try and have their NEEDS met. When I was married, it mattered not if I was in the mood or not. If weeks went by and he wanted to deny me sex...so be it, I was denied. This did not make me UNHAPPY, it just made me very very sexually frustrated.


Funny....when I was married (for 20 years), sometimes we would go weeks without sex as well. I would start out frustrated, but then I noticed that by the end of that time, I just didn't care. The more sex I have, the more I want! Now, I just meet Him at the door naked. THAT says it all! LOL! And, if he says "not now" as JW pointed out....then I get very, very frustrated. By the end of the evening, seeing me squirm, naked, with the obvious frustration he has created, I am usually rewarded and BOTH our needs are met. Sometimes these are the most explosive times.

(And if that doesn't work, you can always slip Viagra into his food or drink....I AM evil!)

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RE: Down Right Horny!!! - 1/29/2006 7:17:47 AM   
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But, sex is not a NEED. It's a WANT :)


Mist, you know I love ya, but you got this one wrong, unless I miss understood your post.

Sex may be a WANT for Women, but if women understood Mens plumbing they would further understand Sex is very much a N=E=E=D !



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RE: Down Right Horny!!! - 1/29/2006 7:35:27 AM   
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While this is true to an extent, IrishMist, the Dom/me that doesn't take the subs needs into consideration will not be with that sub or any other for long. It's an exchange of power and with power comes responsibility. To take that power and completely ignore the needs of the sub is irresponsible.

But my dear Tress, sex is not a need, it's a want. Food is a need, shelter and clothes are a need. Sex is only a luxury that we, as humans, take for granted.





My dear MrD, sex is a need, good sex is a luxury. (See Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, ranked #3 under Deficiency Needs)

While some posters took my statement to mean that subs should get whatever they want whenever they ask for it my meaning is simply this...to constantly deny every request made by the sub simply because s/he is asking and how dare s/he ask for something? doesn't s/he know that's topping from the bottom? is going to lead to a very lonely Dom/me.

Those who think being Dom/me means complete authoritarianism with subs that cease to have human needs, wants and desires outside of your complete and utter happiness are setting themselves and their subs up for failure. These unrealistic expectations and demands will break down the spirit and willingness of a sub very quickly.

All of that being said, I LOVE Teasing and Orgasm Denial, LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT, within a well framed and planned out structure with a sub that also enjoys it.


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RE: Down Right Horny!!! - 1/29/2006 7:36:07 AM   
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Mist, you know I love ya, but you got this one wrong, unless I miss understood your post.

Sex may be a WANT for Women, but if women understood Mens plumbing they would further understand Sex is very much a N=E=E=D !


LOL, well DelRey, you also have to understand that most of my opinions comes from my own PoV...

Now, as to sex being a need for a man...well, I could not answer that



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RE: Down Right Horny!!! - 1/29/2006 7:37:44 AM   
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While some posters took my statement to mean that subs should get whatever they want whenever they ask for it my meaning is simply this...to constantly deny every request made by the sub simply because s/he is asking and how dare s/he ask for something? doesn't s/he know that's topping from the bottom? is going to lead to a very lonely Dom/me


Miss Tress, I understood what you were saying, and I was not trying to imply that.

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RE: Down Right Horny!!! - 1/29/2006 8:00:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DelRey

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist



But, sex is not a NEED. It's a WANT :)


Mist, you know I love ya, but you got this one wrong, unless I miss understood your post.

Sex may be a WANT for Women, but if women understood Mens plumbing they would further understand Sex is very much a N=E=E=D !




Hence the use of the CBT 3000---you only think it is a need because of the dangle of that thang---take that away and we have your undivided attention.

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RE: Down Right Horny!!! - 1/29/2006 8:00:41 AM   
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If littleone is horny she shows me but touching, kissing or telling me.

If I am interested we continue. Almost all the time i want it. I get what ever I want when i want it. Why on earth would I break that flow.

Sometime i make her wait if I have plans for later and sometime I make her ask for this explicitly (she has trouble saying some things) but in the end we both get what we want.

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RE: Down Right Horny!!! - 1/29/2006 8:03:41 AM   
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Hence the use of the CBT 3000---you only think it is a need because of the dangle of that thang---take that away and we have your undivided attention.


LMAO

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RE: Down Right Horny!!! - 1/29/2006 8:05:54 AM   
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it would be a very dumb and stupid act if a dom said no . and it would show you that the sub is not loved in any way shape or form .
i am all for it .
love on darling



A "no" may indeed be at that moment in the best interest of the submissive and does show care and concern--after all it is the Dominant who is responsible for their well being--and at that moment may not be prudent.

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RE: Down Right Horny!!! - 1/29/2006 8:08:26 AM   
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it would be a very dumb and stupid act if a dom said no . and it would show you that the sub is not loved in any way shape or form .
i am all for it .
love on darling


Ok, I need to ask...please explain to me how this would be a stupid act on the Master/Dom's side if he/she said no? I am truly curious to hear this answer.

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RE: Down Right Horny!!! - 1/29/2006 8:10:56 AM   
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it would be a very dumb and stupid act if a dom said no . and it would show you that the sub is not loved in any way shape or form .
i am all for it .
love on darling



Ok, I need to ask...please explain to me how this would be a stupid act on the Master/Dom's side if he/she said no? I am truly curious to hear this answer.




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RE: Down Right Horny!!! - 1/29/2006 8:59:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, my dear Tress, in googling Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, Deficiency Needs, I've found that the #3 that you're pointing to is:
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3) Belonginess and Love: affiliate with others, be accepted

This is in all of the listings that I've found. No where does sex come into the equation. Even biologically, men do not need sex. There is nothing that shows that if a man does not have sex, he'll die or that it leads to any illnesses. No, it's very much a luxury. One that people put more emphasis on than is needed.

Intersting how people just spew out crap without actually posting where they've got there information to back themselves up. Maybe they're just too full of themselves to understand that just because they say something, doesn't mean that it true or law.

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RE: Down Right Horny!!! - 1/29/2006 9:22:57 AM   
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Well, my dear Tress, in googling Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, Deficiency Needs, I've found that the #3 that you're pointing to is:

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3) Belonginess and Love: affiliate with others, be accepted

This is in all of the listings that I've found. No where does sex come into the equation. Even biologically, men do not need sex. There is nothing that shows that if a man does not have sex, he'll die or that it leads to any illnesses. No, it's very much a luxury. One that people put more emphasis on than is needed.




And Maslows needs cross all relationships and does not apply soley to adults--so number 3 does indeed include ANY human needs of which sex may not necessarily be an option--it is a luxury, not a basic human need.

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RE: Down Right Horny!!! - 1/29/2006 9:30:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am sorry...but I agree...sex is a luxury...a priveledge...it is not A NEED...it's a want. When I was with my husband, there were times he would purposefully withold sex AND masturbation...just for his own sadistic pleasure in seeing me in that state. Now, that does not mean that HE WOULD NOT USE ME in those times...it just means that I got no physical pleasure from the act...but, by knowing that he was pleased, that was all that mattered. And yes, I sincerely mean that.

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RE: Down Right Horny!!! - 1/29/2006 10:09:18 AM   
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you only think it is a need because of the dangle of that thang---take that away and we have your undivided attention


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A "no" may indeed be at that moment in the best interest of the submissive and does show care and concern--after all it is the Dominant who is responsible for their well being--and at that moment may not be prudent


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RE: Down Right Horny!!! - 1/29/2006 12:45:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

Well, my dear Tress, in googling Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, Deficiency Needs, I've found that the #3 that you're pointing to is:
quote:

3) Belonginess and Love: affiliate with others, be accepted

This is in all of the listings that I've found. No where does sex come into the equation. Even biologically, men do not need sex. There is nothing that shows that if a man does not have sex, he'll die or that it leads to any illnesses. No, it's very much a luxury. One that people put more emphasis on than is needed.

Intersting how people just spew out crap without actually posting where they've got there information to back themselves up. Maybe they're just too full of themselves to understand that just because they say something, doesn't mean that it true or law.




According to Maslow:

"Love/Belonging needs
After physiological and safety needs are fulfilled, the third layer of human needs are social. This involves emotionally-based relationships in general, such as friendship, sexual intimacy, and/or having a family. Humans want to be accepted and to belong, whether it be to clubs, work groups, religious groups, family, gangs, etc. They need to feel loved (sexually and non-sexually) by others, and to be accepted by them. People also have a constant desire to feel needed. In the absence of these elements, people become increasingly susceptible to loneliness, social anxiety and depression."

I personally believe his theory. You don't have to. Interesting how quick some are to judge others.




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RE: Down Right Horny!!! - 1/29/2006 1:11:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Need?....... Want?.... Luxury?

Ok,,,,, I need to feel something... I want to feel it all... I want to be allowed to savor the luxury of it all.

Some have understood the post... some still believe in it's all about what Owner wants.... This isn't a post to disrepect any Owners.. this is just a simple question of how a sub/slave approaches said Owner to say... hey.. I want sex! No matter what kind it turns out to be.

I can see the torment of saying no... making it more erotic for the wanting....


Seaturtle... you made a comment .... let me get this quote..


It seems to me that like so many things in this life, this one is subjective and specific to the individual. i imagine there is a level of service (read to include all that makes Dom/me feel pleased) that really does not have anything to do with the Dom/me pleasing or making the sub feel happy or content. In this imagining, the sub (read me ) is challenged to carry on in such service regardless of how he is feeling at the time. To develop a sort of finesse, and to go about that pleasing with dignity and a real attitude of gratitude. As part of the very process of submission. Service that has even more value when this sub may not feel like doing it, for any reason.


This is what I was refering to... a sub/slave must be prepared for anytime Owner wants sex, play,scene, (to each there own on how it's stated) no matter if in the mood or not. Ok we've established this.....

Now let's go on the aspects of this... SUB/SLAVE wants attention! It's all about Owners... And the few Owners I've seen respond make it all about them and nothing to do with sub/slaves. This is where I really find out I differ from so many others on here. I too know my Master comes first... but I know I come in somewhere too in all this.

So Master doesn't want to play, scene, etc... for a few days... weeks.. But when Master gets in the mood... he tells me and I do. But during the off times for Master... I have wants... needs... perhaps Master isn't in the mood(at that exact time).... but knows I give when I may not want to. (Though he would never know if I was in mood or not.. I would never show this on purpose) Master can give when not wanting to also. It can be something as simple as ..... ya damn horny slut.. go get your toys and __________(enter whatever here).

It's a simple case of being human..... sub/slave gets horney and wants to play just like an Owner does. It's not a matter of "Oh I only when Owner wants" Owner doesn't always want. That doesn't stop sub/slave from wanting.

Be one that wants and needs with out permission doesn't make me any less a submissive. Asking for.... doesn't make me anymore submissive....


Being made to beg for what I want and need...is even more fun. So I agree with the others on this... LOL

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