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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 4/21/2006 12:09:00 AM

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Once again CM seems to have an above average number of idealists, which only goes to show that talk is cheap and on the internet there is a lot of that.

Money problems are often cited in reports as one of the major factors in marriage break-ups and by implication I'm assuming other long term serious relationships. I could be wrong but I doubt it.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 4/21/2006 12:12:11 AM

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There is no doubt that money is needful to stability in a relationship. It's very much tied into the concept of responsibility in life. The point I am making is where does it stop being needful,and simply translate into the fickle desire for luxury?

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 4/21/2006 12:16:52 AM

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I'd go along with that. I think the fickle desire for luxury in our society is the reason for many of its problems which one can extend as far as global warming but that is another thread.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 4/21/2006 12:19:04 AM

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Indeed,"play today,suffer tomorrow" seems the credo of the day. Whatever happened to living within your means?

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 4/21/2006 12:20:10 AM

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I agree. They didn't have global warming back in the days of jinrickshaws.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 4/21/2006 12:26:20 AM

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If you read the OP, you will find I asked if finances or the lack of them a reason for the BDSM, M/s, D/s and Gorean Communities to shunn people unless they earned a substantial amount of money, and if so what is the "We don't want to know you benchmark".. I also stated that I do know several people who are being excluded from their local scene for just that reason.... It has nothing to do with relationships and possible breakups.. Many people involved in the scene are not in a relatiuonship and some don't want to be involved either.... What is being discussed here is relationship finances which has nothing do do with the matter at hand......

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 4/21/2006 12:33:34 AM

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Interesting,bdsm "country clubs".... perversion never ceases to amaze me....................

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 4/21/2006 12:48:58 AM

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If you are refering to my comment regarding several scenes here, welcome to BDSM Queensland ~ The place which is fracturing and splintering as we speak and has more dramas in a month than Broardway in a year.....

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 4/21/2006 12:49:41 AM

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If we're going to shun people based on their balances, can "class" (however you define that) play a role, or is it a clear-cut "what flavor of metal is your card" type deal.

In other words, is there a difference between "K-mart poor" and "writer poor"?

There's a broad swath of people who have gone to four-year schools, can discourse half-way intellegently about politics and art and such, understand that beer doesn't really come in cans, but have chosen to be a writer or artist or even a teacher or nurse (both below the median, in most places) because that's who they are and what feeds their soul.

I would rather talk with those people about art and politics than with a more boring "bourgeois" member of the Armani brigade about what type of lawn fertilizer makes their McMansion look the greenest; they tned to be more interesting.

The above may sound snobbish, but education and taste have nothing to do with my definiton of "good people"

My definition of "good people" is simple--
How do you treat your friends?
Do you do what you say you will?

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 4/21/2006 1:11:25 AM

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Ahh,I see.

But what you refer to is mere snobbery.

Which has an interesting linguistic history,in itself. As I understand it, the word "snob" comes from an old latin slang corruption of the simple phrase "Sini Noblis"

(Lacking Nobility)

Silly faux Royalty.........

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 4/21/2006 1:12:06 AM

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Hehe.

I think it is My dominant nature that has kept Me relatively low income most of the time. I have a high IQ and love to try new things, so I switch jobs a lot. From birth My life was mobile and ever changing. I liked it. I kept it up.

I never worried much about belongings and such. Or belonging. Though I have a good wage and a great job now, I am bored again. I go from the easy life with lots of cash, to rock bottom, over and over. But I am never broke in spirit. The worst times are usually the times I discover the most, and gain the most in Myself.

In many ways My life made Me a Dom from day one. Always facing new situations, challenges. Seldom with any support. I got self sufficient fast.

I always could take or leave it, whatever it was. So if I take one as My lover, let them be that close to Me, I take them as sub. I demand that they be the one thing in My life that is constant, Mine, under My control. The rest of My life I like to free flow. The one I choose to share that with, must be under My control, as she is what I consider important.
I have a comortgage, a great job, good wage. But.......

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 4/21/2006 1:21:02 AM

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Can't resist--

"Silly faux royalty--pedantics are for kids...."

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 4/21/2006 1:44:30 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

If you read the OP, you will find I asked if finances or the lack of them a reason for the BDSM, M/s, D/s and Gorean Communities to shunn people unless they earned a substantial amount of money, and if so what is the "We don't want to know you benchmark".. I also stated that I do know several people who are being excluded from their local scene for just that reason.... It has nothing to do with relationships and possible breakups.. Many people involved in the scene are not in a relatiuonship and some don't want to be involved either.... What is being discussed here is relationship finances which has nothing do do with the matter at hand......

I have to admit when I have been to events, on both sides of the atlantic, I have noticed a preponderance of expensive SUVs and European luxury cars and Harley Davidisons which are posing bikes, you ride Japanese if you are really into bikes. Which is why I've noted my surprise at the number of people on CM say money isn't important. Maybe it is just the people I mix with but there does seem to be a class/status thing going on. But then there is in every walk of life so why should BDSM be different?

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 4/21/2006 1:52:40 AM

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quote:

I have to admit when I have been to events, on both sides of the atlantic, I have noticed a preponderance of expensive SUVs and European luxury cars and Harley Davidisons which are posing bikes, you ride Japanese if you are really into bikes. Which is why I've noted my surprise at the number of people on CM say money isn't important. Maybe it is just the people I mix with but there does seem to be a class/status thing going on. But then there is in every walk of life so why should BDSM be different?

People with those cars and bikes can afford to go to events. CM is free. BIG difference. ;)

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 4/21/2006 1:57:55 AM

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Which events are we talking about that are so exclusive? In most towns, munches are often and the "Top O China" buffet or some such, and the barrier to entry is usually about 7.99....

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 4/21/2006 2:25:57 AM

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I've always had the philosophy that money's just a tool to get stuff done. I don't want to rub bills on my naked body to get off. I won't eat rolls of coins. Money just is something we need in today's society, but has no actual value unless we give it value. *shrug*

I've never given any thought that my opinion (above), and the fact that I'm sexually dominant, could have any correlation. They seem like totally different things.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 4/21/2006 3:04:45 AM

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Master Ironbear greeting

I am so suprised and wonder why so many would think that
and I speak of submissive too, money is the key to thinking'
someone may be a better person to be with. I Had many submissive
who think that if they have this amount of something it will make
me want them more. Money does not make anyone of use better
or agood person to have. I see many submissive and dominant
people act so rude and nasty, but then again there are many who are
nice too. I choose my submissive on the case of how they act.
How good are their ,manners and I can spot a strange person
dominant or submissve. It is the person inside that counts so much.
Kindness , trust, honest and the grace to know how to treat others. As
always Master Ironbear you bring up the best post I do believe many will
answer this. I knew a domme who in her profile she would say how she
needed the best submissive he must be the greatest have money, because she
was not having anything less, but she was one rude domme i mean so mean to
others whom she felt was below her. So she was one ( she was no from this place)
who had from what she said so much money! It did not help ever.! I just saw Meatclever post
no I do not think it has ever been a class thing going on at all.

best wishes

mons/jane

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 4/21/2006 3:17:19 AM

mons

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Greeting Rayne58

May god bless you! You have found love in the best way!
I know you wish for his health back I will say a pray for the
both of you! I wanted to let you know I have a niece who
married a man she said she loved. Oh but when he lost 500,000
in the stock her love after 12 years is now hate she even want to send
him to iraq to build things I told her my god your nuts. Her asnwer was
he made us have no money so I want him to make it back (the money)
she is cold hearted. I wanted someone who is kind honest, and has honor.
Oh yes we will need momey but it will work out. You have open many eyes and
minds this day dear i wish you well
best wishes

mons/jane

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 4/21/2006 3:25:31 AM

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I agree with mons and I'm sure with most people here that money doesn't make you a better person but it sure as hell makes you more desireable!

I remember going to a restuarant near the Ecole Militaire in Paris and I was astounded by the age difference between the men and the young women, I thought they couldn't all be fathers taking their daughters out for a meal and if they were, incest was one of the main preoccupations. I mention this particular place because it seemed like a sugar daddy social club. One thing I'm sure of, if those ugly old guys were poor, they wouldn't be seen with a beautiful young female unless it was their daughter.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 4/21/2006 4:01:09 AM

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But the question arises is it you as a Dominate they are desiring so much or your money?

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