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Dominants Wearing Collars - 4/7/2009 1:30:16 PM   
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The worst? I saw a women in a collar (not a switch) leading a guy with a collar on a dog chain


from another thread got me thinking. Many people support the "there's no true way" and "make BDSM whatever is right for you" theories, but then there's something like this. The quote was made in context of public play, does that change anything?

How do you feel about dominants wearing collars?
How do you feel about unowned people wearing collars in public venues?
Do you think we should strive for a more unified culture in public space?
Do you always assume a person in a collar is owned?
What is your opinion of people who go to BDSM clubs (frequently or not, doesn't matter) to play, but do not keep a power exchange dynamic anywhere else?

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RE: Dominants Wearing Collars - 4/7/2009 1:34:44 PM   
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I think its fine if dominants wear collars, especially women because chokers are also jewelery. I also think its find if you are unowned loads of reasons for that, I wear them if I want to be left alone, and they sure can complete an outfit.

To be honest I dont think we should have a 'unified' culture, (sorry I have a terrible image of gold stars emblazoned onto clothes). I make no assumptions about people based on collars and thats good, as a young dead sexy female sub id hate the idea that all unowed subs had to be collarless because for me its an invitation to preditory doms and to be honest thats not why I go to events.

Your last question doesnt fit but who gives a crap? Each to their own.

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RE: Dominants Wearing Collars - 4/7/2009 1:38:53 PM   
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colouredin, as soon as I read "unified" I also had the same image.
The people who go to clubs in this vicinity wear  collars for numerous reasons. Either they want to enjoy the evening without being pestered lol...........or the collar matches the outfit.
although I have to say..............Sir in a collar..............erm........nope lol
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RE: Dominants Wearing Collars - 4/7/2009 1:40:50 PM   
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How do you feel about dominants wearing collars?
How do you feel about unowned people wearing collars in public venues?
Do you think we should strive for a more unified culture in public space?
Do you always assume a person in a collar is owned?
What is your opinion of people who go to BDSM clubs (frequently or not, doesn't matter) to play, but do not keep a power exchange dynamic anywhere else?


1. To each his/her own.  I don't and won't wear one but it has more to do with not liking tight things around my neck than a dynamic.
 
2. I have no opinion.  It's not important enough for me to care.
 
3. No.  I refuse to conform to someone else's idea of how kink "should be" done.
 
4. Yes, unless they've given me a reason to think otherwise (e.g. leading someone else around on a leash).  I also assume someone wearing a ring on the left ring finger is married, even if the ring doesn't look like a typical wedding band.  Better to err on the side of caution than be accused of poaching.
 
5.  Again, no opinion.  I don't care enough to form one.

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RE: Dominants Wearing Collars - 4/7/2009 1:41:23 PM   
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I frankly do not care what anyone wears. If a D type wants to wear one, fine go right ahead. I could see where at a play party (Unless the persons label is well known) where it might get confusing. But I see so many people running around with collars on nowadays that aren't even into BDSM, its a fashion thing.
If I see someone wearing a collar at a bdsm event I assume that they are owned unless it says "Mistress/Master" on it. People who do not have a D/s dynamic and go to the bdsm events to play is cool with me as long as they let their play partners know that is all they are there for.
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RE: Dominants Wearing Collars - 4/7/2009 1:44:04 PM   
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How do you feel about dominants wearing collars?

Aesthetically, they can look good.  Doesn't matter who wears them.

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How do you feel about unowned people wearing collars in public venues?

Doesn't matter.

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Do you think we should strive for a more unified culture in public space?

You mean dictate?  That already happens dresscode wise and that's crass enough.

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Do you always assume a person in a collar is owned?

No.

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What is your opinion of people who go to BDSM clubs (frequently or not, doesn't matter) to play, but do not keep a power exchange dynamic anywhere else?

It's up to them.  You just have to understand the environment you are in.  Torture Garden in the UK was mentioned in another thread... the dresscode there is kind of specific - but it's not really somewhere I take serious because it's more a place to be 'seen'.  Being seen is rocks at times, and if I want to do that, I would attend TG.  But if I wanted elitism I wouldn't go somewhere that supported blinkered views like 'collars only for owned s-types'.
 
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RE: Dominants Wearing Collars - 4/7/2009 1:45:12 PM   
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*snide comment warning*

There is plenty of elitism at Tg

*snide comment over*

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RE: Dominants Wearing Collars - 4/7/2009 1:49:33 PM   
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*snide comment warning*

There is plenty of elitism at Tg

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Well yeah, that's why I don't go ...  but it's also the reason I don't take it too seriously.  If I go there, I go to rock out and be seen and guarentee I would get talked about whether that's good or bad.  It's about image at places like that, nothing too deep.
 
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RE: Dominants Wearing Collars - 4/7/2009 1:57:44 PM   
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Yeah I agree that its a good point, TG is almost exclusivly about what you are wearing (I got told off because I didnt 'match' my partner, pink and red clash dont you know soo not good for the photos dahling) So in that apparent 'BDSM' enviroment that has pretty much nothing to do with BDSM then statements such as collars will be seen all over the place.

People go to events for different reasons though, some people go to look good, Chloe a few seasons ago had PVC and Latex as a huge theme OH and there is girls aloud at the moment too. Its just clothes.

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RE: Dominants Wearing Collars - 4/7/2009 2:02:03 PM   
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Collars are just another piece of equipment. It’s only with the advent of the WEB that it has taken on such a high level of “meaning”. It seems to be simple way for the vanilla Ds/Sm’ers to relate to a given position.

20 yrs ago it had little meaning, but whatever knocks your socks off. But back then One could still make a bundle off of “Postal Training”!!!    LOL

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RE: Dominants Wearing Collars - 4/7/2009 2:08:14 PM   
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Many of the Dommes I know here always wear a "Domme Collar" which is usually more elaborate then a slave collar. Neets wears a rope collar I did for her using a series of coin knots. My collar will usually be a white silk cravat with a diamond stick pin, but sometimes I'll wear what could be seen as combat gear and a chain coife worn usually with the hood off my head but still affords throat protection. 

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RE: Dominants Wearing Collars - 4/7/2009 2:14:04 PM   
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Yeah I agree that its a good point, TG is almost exclusivly about what you are wearing (I got told off because I didnt 'match' my partner, pink and red clash dont you know soo not good for the photos dahling) So in that apparent 'BDSM' enviroment that has pretty much nothing to do with BDSM then statements such as collars will be seen all over the place.


I would have told them - that's the fucking point, duh.  Besides, what kind of photographer can't work with all that's thrown at them....(now who's elitist)
 
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RE: Dominants Wearing Collars - 4/7/2009 2:24:52 PM   
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from another thread got me thinking. Many people support the "there's no true way" and "make BDSM whatever is right for you" theories, but then there's something like this. The quote was made in context of public play, does that change anything?

For  how I do things, probably not.

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How do you feel about dominants wearing collars?

I don't particularly 'feel' anything about it.  What anyone wears is up to them.

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How do you feel about unowned people wearing collars in public venues?

Again, I don't feel anything about it.  I'm aware of the fact that a collar doesn't mean the same thing to everyone as it does to Me.  Some people use them as part of fashion or to get into a particular mindset when attending an event.  I have no more right to tell them that a collar means more than that than those who would say I put too much value in one.

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Do you think we should strive for a more unified culture in public space?

No, I don't.  After all, which culture would we choose?  How would we decide?

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Do you always assume a person in a collar is owned?

Yes, I do.  As with good manners, I feel it's better to err on the side of caution.  I'd much rather not offend someone by being too casual.  I don't believe anyone should lower what might be the protocol of their dynamic just because I happened along.

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What is your opinion of people who go to BDSM clubs (frequently or not, doesn't matter) to play, but do not keep a power exchange dynamic anywhere else?

I don't think very much of it, but I also understand that My way isn't everyone's way. 

While I'm on the subject, I want to turn this around for a minute.  While some people do use collars as fashion statements or play only accessories, I think it fair that those who don't hold wearing a collar in high regard understand that there are those people who do.  The following is something that I wrote when responding to a question elsewhere about interacting with someone collared in regard to high protocol.  It might help people to understand how I see it.


Just like in any other setting, no one would decide it was a good idea to pick up an item out of my toy bag, or take the keys and drive off in my car, they don't have a right to use my boy for their purposes. It's just like anything else. If you know it doesn't belong to you, I would suggest that you have no right to it.
Now, truth be told, the day I put my collar on my boy's neck, he knew the responsibility and terms of that collar. It's entirely possible that an outside party isn't aware of the level of protocol that I expect because of it. So should you (general you) either be blind to it, ignorant of it, or just plain disrespectful of it, I'm honestly not going to blame you. (I'm not going to think very highly of you, but that's another matter.)  The responsibility of it does lie with my boy. I don't control the actions of others. I control him and he should know what I expect.

In the same breath, you (again, general you)have no right to feel slighted should the boy you just approached stand up and walk away from you, forward me your emails, or give me his phone to answer because that's the structure of this dynamic. Don't complain to me that he's disrespected you when you chose not to address me first and he's behaved accordingly.


For those who do identify as switch, it's absolutely correct that I have no right to decide for you which role you are in. If you are in my company or my home, I would treat you as you would like to be treated as to the role you chose. However, if you are not in sub mode for all interactions with my boy and I, the practical application, in my opinion, is to afford you the same as I would any other D, and expect the same courtesies that should come from one.



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RE: Dominants Wearing Collars - 4/7/2009 2:31:06 PM   
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How do you feel about dominants wearing collars?
How do you feel about unowned people wearing collars in public venues?
Do you think we should strive for a more unified culture in public space?
Do you always assume a person in a collar is owned?
What is your opinion of people who go to BDSM clubs (frequently or not, doesn't matter) to play, but do not keep a power exchange dynamic anywhere else?


Yea mean like a wedding ring on a doms finger?  Personally I think collars are lame  but then I'm not much into symbols.  You want to wear one go right ahead.  My style ain't your style.

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RE: Dominants Wearing Collars - 4/7/2009 2:41:21 PM   
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How do you feel about dominants wearing collars?

Indifferent. I grew up in the age of goths and punks. Wearing collars was a fashion statement. It didn't mean anything other than it being a kewl look. My views haven't really changed. Some people look hot in them, some don't.

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How do you feel about unowned people wearing collars in public venues?

Again, indifferent. Makes no difference to me.

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Do you think we should strive for a more unified culture in public space?

No
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Do you always assume a person in a collar is owned?

No

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What is your opinion of people who go to BDSM clubs (frequently or not, doesn't matter) to play, but do not keep a power exchange dynamic anywhere else?


Their perogative. What they do doesn't really concern me. I'm more interested and invested in what me and my partner do only.

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RE: Dominants Wearing Collars - 4/7/2009 3:02:52 PM   
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While I'm on the subject, I want to turn this around for a minute.  While some people do use collars as fashion statements or play only accessories, I think it fair that those who don't hold wearing a collar in high regard understand that there are those people who do.

I definitely think it's preferable for people to understand the basics.  To avoid awkward social misunderstandings if nothing else.

I'm not sure it's fair to expect them to do so.

In the same ways as there's a lot of BDSMers who wear leathers without understanding its significance in biker culture.


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RE: Dominants Wearing Collars - 4/7/2009 3:03:09 PM   
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How do you feel about dominants wearing collars?
**I like the aesthetic of collars.  They can be fashion-accessories too (I've worn many a collar that had no purpose other than to look cool) or an experssion of mutuality in dedication.  No problem with that.  I like coordinating declarations of commitment. 
How do you feel about unowned people wearing collars in public venues?
**Note above: I was goth before there was a term for it.  I was making and wearing collars before the Hot Topic in every mall was selling kids their counter-culture.  I don't make an assumption that a collar is a lifestyle statement but I am always irritated and downright offended when it's a lifestyle expression when I see an ill-fitted collar: when I see that in a lifestyle context, it makes me think: "Wow, you don't have enough pride in what's yours to provide something that fits properly?!" 
Do you think we should strive for a more unified culture in public space?
**I don't really consider myself part of any bdsm culture.  Can't see that the omission has been detrimental and not sure how the addition would be life-enhancing. 
Do you always assume a person in a collar is owned?
**Nope, see above chattering about fashion. 
What is your opinion of people who go to BDSM clubs (frequently or not, doesn't matter) to play, but do not keep a power exchange dynamic anywhere else?
**To each his or her own. 
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RE: Dominants Wearing Collars - 4/7/2009 3:06:36 PM   
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I have a Domme friend who wears a collar that says Mistress.  She loves all sorts of collars.

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RE: Dominants Wearing Collars - 4/7/2009 3:46:03 PM   
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I stepped in it, I might as well own up to it- I am the one who posted the original 'domme in a collar' comment in a larger discussion about club dress codes.  While I am not personally interested in 'dictating' someone's clothing, I was hard pressed (as were those I was attending the party with) to make scene of a female dominant wearing a ring collar (note- NOT a choker) while leading a guy in another ring collar (you know...the whole back and forth back and forth 'oh gee this must be so humiliating for you' dance which is kind of tiresome and in the way at a crowded party).  Part of it came from my own memory of a time I was at another party where I was being dogged most of the night by a male s-type who I was, I thought, politily ignoring due to his collar after I told him that if he was interested, it should be his Mistress who spoke to me.  When I finally gave him some time, it was to ask "Well, who owns you?  Is she here?".  He looked at me flabbergasted and I had no idea what I was talking about (which explained why he ignored my first comment to him)- to him it just looked cool and (this is a direct quote) "It means I am a submissive..."  Well, to me it doesn't; it meant to me that he was a douche. 

Now, obviously not everyone agrees nor should they with me (and the more I think about it, the more I am thinking that it was the guy in the brown shoes with the all black outfit that might have been actually the 'worst') but, at the same time, I do spend more of my time with hardcore sadomasochist-fetishists.  And as we all know, fetishist can be quite...particular.  Personally, protocol is important to me, and part of that is the collar as a 'signal' to me. So I do take exception to the idea that NO one posting about their great 'live and live live' attitude wants to fess up to their own scene pet peeves. Even if you personally don't take a lot of stock in the value of fetish clothes (with the exception of when I go to parties, I am in this camp as well- I am just as good a Mistress to my boy in sweats than leather...better, in fact, because then I have a better range of motion ) but at the same time the original post was specifically about dress codes within the BDSM club community and should be looked at as such.  In that context it bothered me enough to give me pause (and not much else) as I feel that part of going to the clubs is the fetishwear, fantasy, and symbolism of it all... 

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RE: Dominants Wearing Collars - 4/7/2009 4:01:45 PM   
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How do you feel about dominants wearing collars?

No problem with that if that suits their fashion sense.

How do you feel about unowned people wearing collars in public venues?

Again no problem as long as they understand that a collar generally tells other people that they are partnered in some way and may limit interest amongst other dominants.

Do you think we should strive for a more unified culture in public space?

There's a fine line between unified culture and individuality - probably too fine for any of us to agree on.

Do you always assume a person in a collar is owned?

Always.

What is your opinion of people who go to BDSM clubs (frequently or not, doesn't matter) to play, but do not keep a power exchange dynamic anywhere else?

No opinion. To each his own.

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