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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 7:18:31 AM   
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I have to wonder what is going through the mind of the remaining pirate this morning after watching his three cohorts taken out by our Navy snipers. As most know I am not an Obama supporter, but he did the right thing in letting the Navy do what had to be done.. 

Whatever it is that is going through his head...he is just thankful it isn't a bullit like his buddy's got!


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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 7:30:48 AM   
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I have to wonder what is going through the mind of the remaining pirate this morning after watching his three cohorts taken out by our Navy snipers. As most know I am not an Obama supporter, but he did the right thing in letting the Navy do what had to be done.. 


Another convert.

Your "I luv Obama" t-shirt and bumper stickers are in the mail.

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 7:40:25 AM   
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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 7:46:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fantastic to see no talk and shooting in the head! Especially good to see some who frown upon capital punishment welcome the judgment and execution of these men, rumored to be as young as 15 years old. However better dead than imprisoned and tortured in Gitmo, huh?

Good to see the "talk to our enemies, to understand them and make them our friends" disclosed as just campaign rhetoric.

Wonder if he called President Bush first, or just used the playbook he left behind, moving from the chapter about 'Economic Stimulus' to 'Killing US Enemies of Any Age'?

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 7:47:51 AM   
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Save the postage. I am not a convert.



Way to burst my bubble. 

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 7:53:08 AM   
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Fantastic to see no talk and shooting in the head! Especially good to see some who frown upon capital punishment welcome the judgment and execution of these men, rumored to be as young as 15 years old. However better dead than imprisoned and tortured in Gitmo, huh?

Good to see the "talk to our enemies, to understand them and make them our friends" disclosed as just campaign rhetoric.

Wonder if he called President Bush first, or just used the playbook he left behind, moving from the chapter about 'Economic Stimulus' to 'Killing US Enemies of Any Age'?



No, somewhere you got lost here.

These aren't U.S. enemies, these are common criminals.

And yes, if they threaten an innocent person just doing his job with death, then they deserve the same.

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 8:12:26 AM   
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No, somewhere you got lost here.

These aren't U.S. enemies, these are common criminals.


Really? So you and others are okay with 'Rambobama' shooting common criminals in the head and are off the 'chat' and 'convert' plan? Common criminals deserve to die. Okay - I can live with that and your 'I support DEATH for 'Common Criminals' bumper sticker is on the way.

We should only shoot common criminals in the head, and still just chat with 'US Enemies'? Is there an 'America Idol' phone vote to determine which is which?

A 'revolutionary' in Iraq a 'common criminal? '. A militarized drug lord in Afghanistan a common criminal? People who plan and implement attacks on the US - 'common criminal'? People who come illegally into the US - 'common criminals'?

These 'simple fishermen' supplementing their meager existence by piracy need to know - as common criminals - a bullet to the head is what this Administration will do - just like any other .

But honestly, its good to see bipartisan support to the death penalty. Appreciating the punishment of criminals too - I LOVE your plan and will even support your position regarding 'common criminals'. Will this position be published for the world to see in the next 'stimulus package'? I'm sure the maritime businesses would rather pay extortion to Congress than ransom to pirates, so it could be. A policy that the US will kill all 'common criminals'; regardless of age and circumstance. Now that's a 'CHANGE!' I can get behind.  

Should support of this administration come with a warning: 'Rationalization Required!'? Maybe we'll hear from the 'Commander and Chief' who ordered these executions once the important matter of taking 'Bo' for a walk.

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if they threaten an innocent person just doing his job with death, then they deserve the same.
Sorry - forgot to include support to this position too. Of course - it's a good thing Israel doesn't apply this to their friendly President of neighboring Iran.

However, based on this quote from the AP; "Angry pirates vowed Monday to retaliate for the deaths of their colleagues, raising fears for the safety of some 230 foreign sailors still held hostage in more than a dozen ships anchored off lawless Somalia." will you be clamoring for the immediate invasion and/or attack on Somalia unless they turn over these people for their bullet in the head, who are threatening innocent persons just doing their jobs?


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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 8:18:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		no no.They`re scarwy scarwy terrorists who give "some" Americans reason to urinate on the Constitution.

Treating al-queda like supper villains and not the common criminals they are ,upped their cache` and street cred.


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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 8:21:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		These pirates operate from a mother ship several hundred miles out. These ships will be the next target of our Navy. These common criminals have links to the same groups we are fighting in Iraq and Afganistan.

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 8:24:19 AM   
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The pirates are doing all this because they live in a country which is a sack of shit - they need the money basically. Some of that money no doubt goes into hands we'd rather it didnt. How about we recruit the pirates - or some of them - pay them handsomely to work for us to stop the others attacking merchant shipping (the insurers would pay for it no doubt), provide intelligence etc. And of those remaining in their piratical lifestyle we offer rewards to rat them out and we send a few squadrons of attack helicopters to pay them a visit at home. Those we turn win as they no longer have to risk their lives for their incomes, we win in that the piracy is reduced and then eliminated - the only losers are those who retain their gangsterism on the high seas.

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That is typically refered to as a "Protection Racket."

Or historically as Danegeld.  And the problem with Danegeld, is once you pay it, you cannot get rid of the Dane.

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 8:31:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Come now Merc, you know that if they were representitive of a Government as opposed to  lawless groups of individuals there would indeed be a difference in the way the issue was handled. This is not unlike the other terroristic issues we face,these people do not represent a Government or an armed force serving a government. Not to say that they aren't supported by varying governments that have issues with us as a country. Taking out a few pirates is not going to war, and it isn't taking anything away from the campaign promises made by the President. 

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 8:41:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		If Obama hadn't given the order to shoot, who do you bet would be out here complaining that he's a wuss  ?

Note: I despise the way people in America are refusing to address the reasons behind the pirates' actions and choosing instead to bury their heads in the sand. Some of the people who are so quick to judge would be the first to advocate taking the law into their own hands in order to protect their own interests - I think there's not a small amount of xenophobia and racism going on there.

On the other hand, there was an emergency situation with an innocent man in mortal danger - the president did all that he could do, considering the circumstances. It's typical that the anti-Obama crowd is jumping on this train to vilify the president for taking the only course of action that was available to him.

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 8:45:37 AM   
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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 8:49:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		We must all be racist in Kittens eyes. When 2 F 16's followed a stolen airplane from Canada she said it was racist because he was from Turkey. The Navy kills 3 terrorists and it is once again because we are racists.

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 8:52:40 AM   
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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 8:58:19 AM   
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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 8:59:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		My …aren't you going just a tad overboard as the devils advocate? Remember they had every opportunity to release the captain and flee before the Navy was forced to intervene.

No one was holding them there at gunpoint… they choose to stay…not to make a plea for clean water…but to demand money for a life.

If it were your other tied and threatened with execution…and the captors were making impossible demands…I’ll bet you would be just fine with them receiving a bullet in the head in exchange for your loved ones life…If you say not then you are talking with your brain and not your heart.

What did you expect Obama to do? If he gave in to the ransom demands and released the pirates, or allowed them to make land, they may very well have not released the captain and demanded more money. If they could have made the US Navy back off then there would be no stopping them… There would be no incentive not to kidnap…imprison...and extort. They may feel its safe to move even father away and start attacking cruise ships…lots of rich kids there for ransom.

You talk about talk…will tell that to the other 200 plus prisoners…some have paid ransom and still the pirates have not released them.

I don’t believe poverty is an excuse for piracy and a 15 year old can kill just as well as a 30 year old. By the way if all they needed was money don’t you think the 200 million or so already paid in ransom would be enough?

I’ve lived in poverty…I’ve been the victim of injustice… but I don’t pick up an AK47 and rob a 711 and shoot the clerk or hijack a ship and threaten death to my victims.

They were given the opportunity to freely leave by the crew… then to peacefully surrender to the Navy…They choose another route and deserved their fate.


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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 9:02:07 AM   
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Since Obama ordered the Navy snipers to kill the pirates, he must be a racist to..


Absolute BS, but you know this already.

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 9:04:45 AM   
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And if this had been Bush you would have been applauding his heroic, decisive action.


Why not? I'm applauding it now WITH you!

However, I doubt where it Bush you'd have the same rationalized "they are 'common criminals' position.

Of course - you could play the similarly desperate 'race-card' when your current opinion doesn't match previously given statements under a different Administration. Of course we don't know the position of this President. He's still waiting to check the polls and make sure all the words are right on the TelePrompTer before giving his position. Who knows - maybe since they failed the fishermen/pirates will be rewarded with a few Billion dollars in US taxpayer acquired 'stimulus'.

What happened to the use of the UN and the 'Unified World' in light of this unilateral US action? This occurred in international waters and he order the killing of these fishermen/'part-time' pirates. North Korea fires a missile over the heads of Japan and the Administration's position is tolerance and chatting. A commercial ship and one man held hostage and 'shoot them in the head' is the order given. Which one do you considered a disproportionate response?

When it comes to hypocrites you don't need a sniper shooting in the dark - a  mirror work perfectly to expose them and their agenda based rationalizations. 

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 9:11:10 AM   
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Which assumes we all know what a Dillon Aero M134D is.

No, it assumes that people who see a word or term they don't understand will have the intellectual wherewithal to plug that into their search engine of choice to find out what it is.  Sadly, it's all too often an erroneous assumption.

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