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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 6:05:57 PM   
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Piracy is a desperate measure by desperate people. If the world community hadn't turned a blind eye to the exactions committed against Somalia and its population by greedy criminals (dumping nuclear waste, medical waste, chemical waste, fishing illegally in the country's water), we might not be where we are today.


What she said.

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 7:25:00 PM   
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No Kittin,I don't think he is arguing that.......though I wouldn't put such an argument past some posters.


Maybe one of you could explain to me what that argument would actually be then, because I still have no idea what she meant!


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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 7:46:06 PM   
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Did you just start reading about this today? How long ago was the ship boarded by these "common criminals"? You define the time and the conclusion as "quickly developing"? Beyond rationalization that position requires ignoring the reality of on board video, infrared and heat cameras, instant communication, and real time satellite pictures.


So a situation that developed over several days is comparable to a situation that lasted several years?

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That's some some 'kool-aid' to be drinking to have your rationalized position maintained on a belief that the President wasn't aware! If/when he ever does address the situation you're hoping he says he found out the same time as you did?! That's another difference between us. I hope to hell he knew, approved, and authorized; as ANY 'Commander and Chief' should do liking the results of those in his charge or not. It's called integrity and living up to the responsibility of the office. I can't belief your biggest hope is that Obama doesn't have any.


Do you really believe that Obama, or any other President, would be standing by the phone and giving direct, minute-by-minute orders to the ships and crew on the scene?

Or do you perhaps think that the authority might just have been delegated to the captains of those ships?

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Now wait - you just said that the "threat" of taking "innocent life" was sufficient. I know you need to avoid applying similar logic to the other referenced situations I gave, but do I hear the distinctive "beep-beep-beep-beep" of a position backing up?


No, because this was a very real life or death situation, not the supposed "imminent threats" that Bush and co. used to justify their political ambitions.

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 7:52:00 PM   
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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 8:00:19 PM   
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Two very different situations.  The first, with Bush, an institutionalized policy that occurred over a long period of time.
No problem - I guess since we are still in the forming of the "institutionalized policy" of Obama. This case establishes an institutional policy of using military forces to shoot in the head any fishermen/pirates on the high seas holding for ransom the captain of a commercial vehicle in international waters.


I had to respond to this one separately because not even you can say this with a straight face.

Fishermen?

You mean these hard-working fishermen were just out doing their jobs and the Alabama happened by and they said, what the hell, let's hijack this ship and take its captain hostage for ransom?

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 8:17:17 PM   
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I think we should have had 4 snipers and no one alive except the American. There would be less trouble and expence for all of us in the years to come..


Of course,but we no longer kill in cold blood.

We wasted the armed perps and will try the 4th,b/c we are a nation of laws,with the strength not to be unjust.

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 8:18:43 PM   
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I think we should have had 4 snipers and no one alive except the American. There would be less trouble and expence for all of us in the years to come..


Agreed.

Which is really starting to scare me that I'm agreeing with you. 

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 8:21:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Remember one thing. President Obama is the commander in chief. He gave the order to take them out..

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 8:25:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		For those discussing our new President's level of involvement....CNN just aired a report,first off they made note of the fact that this President had nothing to say publicly concerning this situation...till after it was resolved.To me that is like a breath of fresh air....okay back to the report.President Obama received 17 briefings and issued 2 Presidential directives..including giving the military clearance to take what ever action necessary consistent with securing the safe return of the captain....If nothing else,even from his staunchest critics    Job Well Done Mr.President.
p.s.fisherman/pirates Merc ....really,you really want to go with that.

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 8:35:12 PM   
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Remember one thing. President Obama is the commander in chief. He gave the order to take them out..


If the Capt.`s life was in imminent danger.It was in the news........

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 8:35:46 PM   
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Which assumes we all know what a Dillon Aero M134D is.

No, it assumes that people who see a word or term they don't understand will have the intellectual wherewithal to plug that into their search engine of choice to find out what it is.  Sadly, it's all too often an erroneous assumption.

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Yes, I'm so silly. 


Then again, one might assume that a poster would try to use words and phrases that are clearly understandable to all, without the need to Google.

Sadly, I guess this is an erroneous assumption regarding your posts.



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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 8:41:20 PM   
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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 9:07:01 PM   
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How about a cat launcher or two on every ship?


You're a sick man Owner.



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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 9:34:03 PM   
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How about a cat launcher or two on every ship?


You're a sick man Owner.



An understatement to say the least.

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 11:01:06 PM   
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    I think a few decoys with camoflaged gatling gun mounts that blow the speedboats right out of the water with all hands would be a good way to send a message, but I also think the bosses who never get their feet wet need a visit from the gunships.  Officially arming the merchants has all sorts unpleasant side effects, but maybe a bit less "zero tolerance" for the guy with an exotic magnum he knows how to use, or the odd captain with a locker full of Uzis and body armor.

    

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/13/2009 11:08:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		A regular patrol of gun ships would do the trick.That`s a vital sea lane.I predict Pres.O will get other nations(w/ navys) ehem,.....on board..... and share the duty.

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/14/2009 12:57:06 PM   
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Piracy is a desperate measure by desperate people. If the world community hadn't turned a blind eye to the exactions committed against Somalia and its population by greedy criminals (dumping nuclear waste, medical waste, chemical waste, fishing illegally in the country's water), we might not be where we are today.


What she said.

Pirate

Because Somolia is victimized by the failure of her own state, we excuse the threatening of life and the extortion from these criminals ? I have no sympathy.

Somolia is one of those countries that could let the UN come in and be a lot better off. But no...that's re-introducing a bad western influence I guess. Soon, the only people living there will be criminals and maybe prospective terrorists.

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/14/2009 1:56:53 PM   
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A regular patrol of gun ships would do the trick.That`s a vital sea lane.I predict Pres.O will get other nations(w/ navys) ehem,.....on board..... and share the duty.
Owner I saw a quote today in the paper,sorry the name eludes me right now, from some guy in the Defence Dept.who said finding these little craft in that ocean would make finding a needle in a haystack a walk in the park..

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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/14/2009 2:09:40 PM   
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A regular patrol of gun ships would do the trick.That`s a vital sea lane.I predict Pres.O will get other nations(w/ navys) ehem,.....on board..... and share the duty.
Owner I saw a quote today in the paper,sorry the name eludes me right now, from some guy in the Defence Dept.who said finding these little craft in that ocean would make finding a needle in a haystack a walk in the park..


Don't "find them."  Let them "find you."  Remember the Q-boats?  We don't need a conventional warship, just something looking helpless and wealthy... and mounting a few Ma Duces.

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(loudspeaker) Speedboat at 1000 yards, please turn off.  You are standing into danger.
(loudspeaker) Speedboat at 500 yards, we observe you are armed.  You are advised to alter course to starboard immediately.
(gets noisy for a second)
(radio) Unidentified vessel, this is US Navy Orion.  You seem to be in difficulty.  Do you need assistance.
(radio) US Navy Orion, we are proceeding on course.  Please notify any vessel in area that a high-speed vessel seems to have undergone catastrophic structural failure 400 yards off our starboard stern.




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RE: American mariners retake ship from Somalian pirates... - 4/14/2009 2:29:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds good john,but decoys are a rather passive approach,after this latest incident I think the American public is going to want to see a more proactive response to the problem.

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