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RE: Obamas new plan to save the planet??? More Pollution? - 4/10/2009 7:39:07 AM   
Cagey18


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But wait,...if we need to produce more pollution we can still buy the pollution rights of a few 3rd world nation that makes no pollution and then we are back to where we were before Kyoto ;)  Just it will costs the American taxpayer some $$$. 

Wrong as usual.  Carbon credits will be bought by American industries who want them, not by the Federal government.  And one option is to pay with technology rather than $$$.

Nor does it take us "back to where we were before Kyoto". 

Read up on these things before posting.  Wikipedia is your friend.



(Ah heck, why start now...)


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RE: Obamas new plan to save the planet??? More Pollution? - 4/10/2009 7:40:21 AM   
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Read up on these things before posting.  Wikipedia is your friend.



Not in Shake's case, it ain't.

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RE: Obamas new plan to save the planet??? More Pollution? - 4/10/2009 7:54:35 AM   
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< Message edited by Owner59 -- 4/10/2009 7:58:58 AM >

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RE: Obamas new plan to save the planet??? More Pollution? - 4/10/2009 8:04:22 AM   
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China is a third world country? That's news to me.


Really? They're not white, and they don't speak English. I'm surprised you didn't know that.


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RE: Obamas new plan to save the planet??? More Pollution? - 4/10/2009 8:39:26 AM   
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Next door to the Bush Hater's Anonymous meetings ;)


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I wonder if there's an Obama Addicts Anonymous out there?



Poor bush,so so hated and put upon.


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RE: Obamas new plan to save the planet??? More Pollution? - 4/10/2009 8:45:46 AM   
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Shake, honestly.  Your posts have become really obvious.
And that is coming from someone in the UK who has no affiliation.
 
the.dark.

 
I wonder if there's an Obama Addicts Anonymous out there?


Sure, it's right down the hall from the Palin Pushers.

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RE: Obamas new plan to save the planet??? More Pollution? - 4/10/2009 8:47:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		You and Palin, boi... are you sure you're not a little bit in love with her? You can't make a post without mentioning her name. I see a major case of starstruckitis :-) .

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RE: Obamas new plan to save the planet??? More Pollution? - 4/10/2009 8:51:57 AM   
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You and Palin, boi... are you sure you're not a little bit in love with her? You can't make a post without mentioning her name. I see a major case of starstruckitis :-) .


Naw, she's not my type. I did get an email from her this morning though. Could be why I thought of her. But starstruck...no Lucy Lawless gets that honor. Strange thing but for some reason I seem to be attracted to liberal women. Maybe I should go to the park and think about that. The sky is turning blue and I think it's gonna be a good day for it. I better enjoy it while I can. Some idiot may shoot a rocket up there and screw everything up and then where would I hang out?

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RE: Obamas new plan to save the planet??? More Pollution? - 4/10/2009 8:59:44 AM   
MasterShake69


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Status: offline 		and company's just eat those extra costs right??? duh
the American tax payer ultimately pays the price in higher costs.


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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

But wait,...if we need to produce more pollution we can still buy the pollution rights of a few 3rd world nation that makes no pollution and then we are back to where we were before Kyoto ;)  Just it will costs the American taxpayer some $$$. 

Wrong as usual.  Carbon credits will be bought by American industries who want them, not by the Federal government.  And one option is to pay with technology rather than $$$.

Nor does it take us "back to where we were before Kyoto". 

Read up on these things before posting.  Wikipedia is your friend.



(Ah heck, why start now...)



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RE: Obamas new plan to save the planet??? More Pollution? - 4/10/2009 9:01:27 AM   
MasterShake69


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China is a third world country? That's news to me.


Really? They're not white, and they don't speak English. I'm surprised you didn't know that.


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RE: Obamas new plan to save the planet??? More Pollution? - 4/10/2009 9:02:55 AM   
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Strange thing but for some reason I seem to be attracted to liberal women. Maybe I should go to the park and think about that.



It's because  you have good tastes, even though you're a little misguided politically  :-) .

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RE: Obamas new plan to save the planet??? More Pollution? - 4/10/2009 9:04:12 AM   
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RE: Obamas new plan to save the planet??? More Pollution? - 4/10/2009 9:07:01 AM   
Cagey18


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and company's just eat those extra costs right??? duh
the American tax payer ultimately pays the price in higher costs.

Nope.  Companies charge based on what the market will bear, not what their costs are. 

A common fallacy amongst your ilk, don't feel bad that you fell for it too.

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RE: Obamas new plan to save the planet??? More Pollution? - 4/10/2009 11:35:55 AM   
MasterShake69


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Status: offline 		going by all the false attacks it seems that they do.

every one of there attacks proves how stupid they are....  some are so desperate to attack me they have to resort to manufacture things that they claim i said but never did.  Others just directly insult me.  I typically just respond to attacks and not launch the initial attacks.


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Geez MS,are you under the impression anyone reads your stuff anymore......

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RE: Obamas new plan to save the planet??? More Pollution? - 4/10/2009 11:41:56 AM   
MasterShake69


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Status: offline 		how has higher prices stopped people from smoking? ;)
every new tax on them

what about higher prices at fast food places ;)
for ever idiot that spills coffee or decides McDs made them fat.

people pay the price because there is no other choice for the product they desire.

Dont ya think its the same with the extra costs related to Kyoto??....it just gets pushed down to the tax payers.





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ORIGINAL: Cagey18

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterShake69
and company's just eat those extra costs right??? duh
the American tax payer ultimately pays the price in higher costs.

Nope.  Companies charge based on what the market will bear, not what their costs are. 

A common fallacy amongst your ilk, don't feel bad that you fell for it too.


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RE: Obamas new plan to save the planet??? More Pollution? - 4/10/2009 11:44:00 AM   
Owner59


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Status: offline 		Let`s see....

Clean air and water.....or letting power co.s and big business pollute for free..........

I`ll take clean(er) air and water,TYVM.

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RE: Obamas new plan to save the planet??? More Pollution? - 4/10/2009 11:44:18 AM   
MasterShake69


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For MS and his previous aliases,the "one that must be obeyed" is the true source of knowledge (as well as these little psycho-blurb)s.

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RE: Obamas new plan to save the planet??? More Pollution? - 4/10/2009 11:53:04 AM   
Cagey18


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how has higher prices stopped people from smoking? ;)
every new tax on them

Uh, they already have.  Direct correlation between cigarette prices and sales, especially among teenagers and the poor, the most price-averse groups..


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what about higher prices at fast food places ;)
for ever idiot that spills coffee or decides McDs made them fat.

The coffee jury award was less than a day's profits for McDonald's.  Don't tell me you really think that's why fast food prices go up.


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people pay the price because there is no other choice for the product they desire.

Oh really?  So if a Starbucks suddenly charged $100 for a Mocha Frappucino, people would pay the price?

Did you ever take a course in Economics?


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Dont ya think its the same with the extra costs related to Kyoto??....it just gets pushed down to the tax payers.

As I mentioned, a fallacy that you've obviously blindly accepted, along with your fellow RWers.


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RE: Obamas new plan to save the planet??? More Pollution? - 4/10/2009 11:53:16 AM   
MasterShake69


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Status: offline 		do some research about Kyoto ;)

http://harvardmagazine.com/2002/11/problems-with-the-protoc.html

The Kyoto protocol is to date the only international agreement that calls for action to reduce emissions of CO2. Yet the Harvard scientists and economists who study climate change express almost universal criticism of the accord, which they fault as economically inefficient, unobjective, inequitable, and—worst of all—ineffective. And they point out that the protocol fails to include the largest future sources of CO2 emissions. China, for example, will pass the U.S. in annual emissions of CO2 by 2013, according to Boas professor of international economics Richard N. Cooper. Another projection suggests that, by 2050, China’s cumulative contributions of CO2 to the atmosphere will exceed those of the United States.


http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v449/n7165/full/449973a.html
The Kyoto Protocol is a symbolically important expression of governments' concern about climate change. But as an instrument for achieving emissions reductions, it has failed1.


http://ideas.repec.org/p/hal/journl/halshs-00002459_v1.html


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Let`s see....

Clean air and water.....or letting power co.s and big business pollute for free..........

I`ll take clean(er) air and water,TYVM.

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RE: Obamas new plan to save the planet??? More Pollution? - 4/10/2009 11:58:05 AM   
Cagey18


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do some research about Kyoto ;)

You left out the qualifier "selective"

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