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N4SDChastity -> RE: Bush's 'torture lawyers' facing arrest in Spain for war crimes? (4/16/2009 1:46:54 PM)
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ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire
Yeah. The Bush administration was made up of some real winners, you bet.
The fact that Obama wants Bush and his minions to get away with trashing the Constitution, and their crimes is probably the worst thing I can say about the guy at this time. He's willing to look the other way while these people run free. So, in the future, the GOP will again run roughshod over all of America's ideals... and they'll know there will never be a price to pay for their treason.
You say this as though it's the first time its ever happened in the annals of American history.
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ORIGINAL: servantforuse
I know that the Bush hating liberals on here are having an orgasm over this but there will be no trial or extradition to Spain. Get over it..
I agree. I do not think we should even consider this type of action, either. Sets a bad precedent. I think they were guilty of creating bad policy, wholesale, but I do not think America should EVER hand it's citizens over to a foreign power, for ANY reaason.
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ORIGINAL: chiaThePet
Not sure if I like the idea of Spain's court assuming the reign over another countries citizens.
No different than a US court issuing arrest warrants for Spanish citizens...*IF* they committed crimes upon American citizens.
Since Spanish citizens were detained at Guantanamo, the case has enough merit to go before a Spanish judge.
Agreed, Cagey, on the merits of the basis for the case. Spain would be equally foolish to voulntairly surrender Spanish citizens acting under the "color" of law (not ACTUAL law, mind you) bringing about policy that harms US citizens. Trials in abstentia were made for just such situations.
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Yeah if these guys are to be tried,and I hope they are,let an American court do it.After all it was our laws they twisted into a pretzel to suit their ends.
Here, here!
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ORIGINAL: Marc2b
What Gonzales and co may or may not have done is irrelevant. The only relevant point to all this is that a foreign government is arrogantly presuming upon itself to try our citizens – an authority it does not have.
..oh come on. The US has been happily holding citizens from other countries without trial for years, pot-kettle-black. If it's ok for the US to apply it's justice system to citizens of other countries then it's ok for other countries to do the same to US citizens.
All countries have the right to try citizens of other countries if it perceives a crime against its own interests. Now this case appears to have fizzled out, but the idea that other countries have no right to try US citizens, without qualification, is utter rot.
Try 'em all you want, just don't expect teh US to extradite. It will not happen. Too politically suicidal!
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ORIGINAL: ienigma777
Hello, What ever happened with Noreiga (spelling???); He is still in some US dungeon, long time, no trial, .....just forgotten. His country was invaded, he took prisoner, deported to US, locked in the slams...and??????
Actually, Noriega was tried and convicted, in a US court, I might add; has served his time and is currently ONLY being held because we have NO IDEA where to send him. Panama doesn't appear to want him back. If memory serves (and, it seldom does), we went and collected him up under teh flimsy pretense of protecting the canal zone, which we still "owned" (again with teh treaty's) at the time.
Dint make it right, but we got away with it.
Mostly, all of this crap boils down to (like it or not) the fact that we (The US of A) are the biggest, baddest bullies on the block (read: Earth). Right or rong we project our actions as inherently right because the only OTHER big, bad bully bankrupted itself trying to keep up technologically while oppressing its population, and could no longer sustain the facade (how do you make the funny letter-C with teh little tail on it, anyway?). Big, bad # 3 is just emerging in teh form of mainland China, and are engaging in a more effective, more insidious kind of warfare (google "Steel Rain"). The "jury" is still out on who will bankrupt who's economy...
edyt: mispelt warfare[:)]
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