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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

There are too many examples of people killing and robbing together to make a blanket statement that no master would ask that. Just because people give themselves a title and like their sex rough doesn't mean they're good people.

I don't dispute that yes, people do rob and kill for 'others'.
However, just because a person states that they have no limits and are willing do anything for their partner, does not automatically mean that they are stupid enough to go the illegal route.
I get so sick of hearing that fucking argument anytime someone pops up and says that they have no limits. To me it says that you are stating that the person is an obvious idiot who can't tell right from wrong.
Personally, I am more inlcined to think a person an idiot if they have to bring up an issue that is obviously wrong ( murder, robbery, etc ).

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

http://www.mayhem.net/Crime/robinson.html

A serial killer within the realm of BDSM.

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

http://www.mayhem.net/Crime/robinson.html

A serial killer within the realm of BDSM.

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ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

http://www.mayhem.net/Crime/robinson.html

A serial killer within the realm of BDSM.

Ya gotta love it when stuff like this gets dragged out to try and support the 'i have limits' camp. Yanno there are murderers in all walks of life and how do you know that the girls hadn't placed limits on their relationship with this man? It is just as likely a limit slave would get murdered as a no limit slave.
Dragging stuff up like this to support your case is just a crock of shit.

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I know subs who don't disclose on their profiles that they are single mothers because they don't want to be targeted by some sicko looking for an underage female to be brought up to serve him. You would hope that people like this would have died out of the gene pool but alas, they haven't and they are here, and on every other such site looking to indulge their disgusting habits.

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  there's a thread right now about some sub of six months all upset because her master is demanding she sell all her assets and give them to him instead of putting them in trust for her children as per their original agreement. And she actually needed advice and support to do the right thing!

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

If she needs advice for something that should have been a no brainer ( telling him absolutly no ), then she deserves any mistreatment she gets.

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ORIGINAL: subinchico

So if he said "kill that person" or "cut yourself" or "rob that bank/person" would you?  Those are limits to me. 

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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ORIGINAL: subinchico

So if he said "kill that person" or "cut yourself" or "rob that bank/person" would you?  Those are limits to me. 

The ol' 'what if' game. So, what if he said.. kill that person because that person is coming at you with a knife and it is in your best interest to kill them before they kill you? You gonna kill or be killed?

So, what if he said cut yourself because you've just been bit by a snake and need to suck out the poison? Is that okay.. or is your limit of cutting yourself going to over-ride the wiser decision to make that cut and suck out the venom? (I cut myself because I like to bleed.. so, yanno.. go figure. Cutting is YOUR limit, not mine.) Rob that bank or person .. hell, it depends on the circumstances but I can think of several things in all those 'if you don't have XYZ as a hard limit, you're a fucking nutcase' scenarios. I'd bet dollars to donuts that death is a hard limit for you. Guess what? You're going to die. So much for that hard limit and if death is not a limit, why should something less than death be a hard limit if the circumstances require it of you?

FFS .. Charles Manson is in prison, Slavemaster got caught and the instances of such things happening are a miniscule percentile of what happens in the real world. MOST people don't tell you to go out and kill, rob, cut or any other such things so unless you are a complete and utter dolt who hooked up with Charles Manson Jr. as your dominant, your odds are pretty good that having 'no limits' is not big thing. I trust Himself with my life and if he tells me to jump out of the 4th story window of our condo, he's going to have an excellent reason for doing so such that jumping out the window is the lessor of two evils. Hesitation or second guessing his decision could be the difference between life and death.

Have all the limits you want, but, please, spare those of us who choose a different path from your outrage. There are 6 billion+ people on this planet and you only have the right to speak for one of them .. you.

edited to add: People with limits just haven't been put into a circumstance which tests them because when push comes to shove, there truly is no limit to what humans will do to each other or to themselves. MMV

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ORIGINAL: subinchico

I like that word "dolt", but again a dolt, psychotic human or fibber, I’m just checking them out.  I have no intention of judging others and sorry if you felt judged

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Gotta disagree with this.  If a person needs advice and is at least smart enough to seek it, there's a reason for it...maybe they feel something is amiss but they aren't quite sure how to handle it.   I think in a case like that, the person deserves help or advice, not mistreatment. And well, even if they're not too bright and they get screwed over, I can't agree that a person "deserves mistreatment" because they weren't bright enough to see what was coming. 

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  there's a thread right now about some sub of six months all upset because her master is demanding she sell all her assets and give them to him instead of putting them in trust for her children as per their original agreement. And she actually needed advice and support to do the right thing!

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My point was that when people say we don't need to think about illegalities, immoralites etc in the realm of BDSM that they are deluding themselves.

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ORIGINAL: subinchico

I like that word "dolt", but again a dolt, psychotic human or fibber, I’m just checking them out.  I have no intention of judging others and sorry if you felt judged.,

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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ORIGINAL: subinchico

So if he said "kill that person" or "cut yourself" or "rob that bank/person" would you?  Those are limits to me. 

The ol' 'what if' game. So, what if he said.. kill that person because that person is coming at you with a knife and it is in your best interest to kill them before they kill you? You gonna kill or be killed?

So, what if he said cut yourself because you've just been bit by a snake and need to suck out the poison? Is that okay.. or is your limit of cutting yourself going to over-ride the wiser decision to make that cut and suck out the venom? (I cut myself because I like to bleed.. so, yanno.. go figure. Cutting is YOUR limit, not mine.) Rob that bank or person .. hell, it depends on the circumstances but I can think of several things in all those 'if you don't have XYZ as a hard limit, you're a fucking nutcase' scenarios. I'd bet dollars to donuts that death is a hard limit for you. Guess what? You're going to die. So much for that hard limit and if death is not a limit, why should something less than death be a hard limit if the circumstances require it of you?

FFS .. Charles Manson is in prison, Slavemaster got caught and the instances of such things happening are a miniscule percentile of what happens in the real world. MOST people don't tell you to go out and kill, rob, cut or any other such things so unless you are a complete and utter dolt who hooked up with Charles Manson Jr. as your dominant, your odds are pretty good that having 'no limits' is not big thing. I trust Himself with my life and if he tells me to jump out of the 4th story window of our condo, he's going to have an excellent reason for doing so such that jumping out the window is the lessor of two evils. Hesitation or second guessing his decision could be the difference between life and death.

Have all the limits you want, but, please, spare those of us who choose a different path from your outrage. There are 6 billion+ people on this planet and you only have the right to speak for one of them .. you.

edited to add: People with limits just haven't been put into a circumstance which tests them because when push comes to shove, there truly is no limit to what humans will do to each other or to themselves. MMV

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Wow, in a way thats cool that you would kill someone, rob someone if your dom told you.  I used to think I was a "no limit" slave becasue I was willing to let her destroy me.  It was a huge turn on when they said it too.  They would tell me how long I had and one said she knew a way to do it and get away with it!  Then reading posts/learning via CM, I did the WHAT IF process (I thought I was supposed to do the WHAT IF's). Thats when  realized I have limits.