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veronicaofML -> RE: Cold Feet or Common Rudeness (2/7/2006 3:36:37 PM)
The fact that your Lady is married does not change your role as a submissive or a slave. === yes'M it does. there is no attachemnts...no bond. i am my own man. yes---ALL subbies n slaves can walk any time they wanna. at least if they have any sense. but it does change..in that i aint like the majority of em in the lifestyle. take care Ms Gold

pollux -> RE: Cold Feet or Common Rudeness (2/7/2006 3:37:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missnoir For Veronica, a sadly underdeveloped submissive: I would strongly question the skills of your current mistress. Either she is not doing her job or you are not complying. On what premise do you condescend my status as a lady or anything else for that matter. Because you have read a handful of replies on what appears to be your only connection to the real world, you are suddenly on level with those who are actually witness to my character? Your use of the english language is certainly indicative of your intelligence and your profile speaks silent volumes of your personality. It is sparse and wanting of actual substance. I feel pity for any person 52 years of age who shows no signs of actually gaining the wisdom of their surroundings. If anything, you have given me further motivation to strive for my goals and expand my horizons. I'm sure I'm wasting my energy here but as for your argument, I only wish you had proved a formidable opponent. In general, what you listed were opposites. I'm glad to see you were paying attention during your sesame street years. Unfortunately, the moral arguments of right and wrong are a little more complex than right foot, left foot. You also seem to believe that excuses are somewhat intertwined with the process of determining right and wrong. Your school of thought is so ridiculously backward, I am almost left speechless. Telling a judge that you would not have murdered your spouse if only he would have been more attractive is an excuse. Telling a judge that your spouse was attempting to stab you and in turn you shot him causing his subsequent death is cause for deliberation. I apologize for being unable to employ Big Bird and Elmo to visualize this concept for you but I imagine your mind is already swarming with multi-colored creatures who will gladly come to your aid. It seems that because you are almost thirty years my elder, you expect for my life experience to be at a minimum. Unfortunately for both you and I, that is not the case. I am a mother, a former wife and a college graduate. The courtroom is not an idealized sitcom fable in the back of my mind. I have stood before the judge and was most definetely not restricted to yes or no, guilty or not guilty. So unless Iowa or Wisconsin or wherever you may currently have burrowed your hole has an entirely different judicial system, I'm afraid your analysis of American justice is just a smidge off par. Thank you for your paltry attempts to demean and your insincere wishes for my future. I can honestly say that if I were able to impart knowledge anywhere in your general direction, I gladly would. My only hope is that people such as yourself are few and far between. Might I suggest establishing some type of establishment or brotherhood for others with your resolve? An ensemble of those carrying the torch to further the spread of the one and only divine truth? Perhaps, you could call it, I don't know, a cult? Try google searching "David Koresh". I'm sure you'll find ample inspiration in his undeniable like-mindedness in everything you have perpetuated here. Sorry, I haven't been following this thread, so I have nothing substantial to add. But I think I'm in love.

missnoir -> RE: Cold Feet or Common Rudeness (2/7/2006 5:27:00 PM)
Veronica, This will be the last time I waste my time or that of the members reading this post for viable information. It is apparent after your last post that you are not concerned with accuracy or intelligent thought. You have lived your life by certain standards and will seemingly never change. In that aspect, you most certainly could be my father or grandfather. Both grew up in eras that did not allow for compromise or alternative points of view. Because of this, neither of them have a relationship with myself or my son. It is unfortunate that the antiquated values of yester years are cause for the lapse in valuable relationships. I have learned from the above mentioned situation that no social prejudice or moral loftiness is worth holding above the ones you love. Hopefully, you and so many others, won't have to learn in such a harsh manner. Veronica, you continually site age and excuses as your reasoning for disapproval. I am a firm believer that age has nothing to do with a person's character. I may be young in the eyes of the world, but I have experienced quite a bit in a short time. Abuse, divorce, motherhood, school, multiple careers, purchasing a home, losing loved ones. The make-up of my character is deep set and forever emblazed. I do not doubt that continued wisdom will come my way with age. However, I will not discard what I have already learned as child's play. As for making excuses, I'm sure I have fallen prey to the easy road out from time to time. Yet, in my posts here, I have not. I make no excuses for who I am or what I do. There are no apologies for my beliefs nor my opposition to those with differing positions. I am able to openly say, "Yes, I am a prodomme. I have tributed submissives and I will continue to practice as I do now." I am not asking for approval. I do not want those who find this unacceptable to change their stance because of me. All I ask is an objective point of view and a response without the intent of character asassination. You seemed to have a problem with my example of excuses vs. deliberation. I am sorry to say that many people are made to make these decisions whether they want to or not. You say that people should not be stupid enough to put themselves in these situations. Are you saying that battered wives and children are responsible for their wounds? I would tread carefully in the path you are headed. Contrary to the words you have tried to place in my mouth, I do not find myself to be a gift or a goddess of any form. I am simply a woman, stating my opinion along with the life experience I have gained. To my submissives and those close to me, I am someone special. I don't need additional gratification. I am surrounded with it. The only thing that separates you and I, Veronica, is a willingness to accept the opinions of others as well as being able to process social evolution. And, yes, for the record, I have been taught many lessons concerning my elders. I am more than willing to offer respect where respect is due. Sadly, those who conduct themselves in the manner of a stubborn child, are not deserving in my eyes.

LaMalinche -> RE: Cold Feet or Common Rudeness (2/7/2006 6:36:51 PM)
I cannot believe this. I have just read this thread. MsNoir, Veronica was a BIG supporter of you having your clients give a deposit. He even gave an example where he did such. In no way did he denigrate your profession. Yet you attacked him on his view of "no excuses". Let me try to explain the whole "no excuses" concept. I do not accept excuses from myself. I either did something or did not. Period. End of story. I do not accept excuses from others. They either did something or did not. Period end of story. You should not accept excuses from potential clients. Either pay partially or in full or do not recieve services. Period. End of story. If there are extenuating circumstances, well, that is a case of "I fucked up" or "They fucked up." Decide. Period. End of story. And then there is the "Life happens." Well, this is the grey issue that I think you are referring to. Those you will have to decide on. But with no contact, well it is a "They fucked you." Yes, life happens, things happen, and we have to choose. We cannot make excuses for our choices, for they are ours. Any self-respecting, descent adult, will say, "That is the choice I made." They may give you their reasons, but they will OWN their choice. Veronica is correct, there are NO excuses. You either own up or you are a . . . I do not know as I cannot think of the proper vitrol. Veronica, if I have screwed up your viewpoint, I am sorry, and please flame away. Best, LaMalinche

MichMasochist -> RE: Cold Feet or Common Rudeness (2/7/2006 7:04:28 PM)
Dear missnoir I like you. You are definately a fun person to dick with. quote: yours was softened by the use of poor grammar and inproper spelling. Come now, in my experience the attacks on ones grammar and mispelling are almost all ways an attack of last resort by persons of unarmed intellect. [;)] quote: Unlike you, I chose not to hide behind the veil of the anonymous Unlike you, I choose to hide behind the veil of the anonymous. My customers and co-workers are, atleast in appearance, narrow minded. Amongst other things. quote: I would have to disagree with your analysis of my post. I do not write under the premise of an emotional outburst. I didn't get that impression from your post. But I must admitt your self control over your emotions is highly commendable. You do appear that you would make for a safe sadist to submit to. But that too is some what superficial. quote: When I realized that being a part of the career world I was involved in would greatly stifle my personal life and style, I decided to become a 24-7 lifestylist. I do what I do because I love it. I want every moment of my life to be as real and as close to my heart as possible. My profession, at present, allows that. So call me what you will, I call myself happy Actually that saddens me to read that you threw away a carreer for this. That simpley reads so very wrong, in many ways. But if your happy. Good for you. [;)] quote: "May some day when god should choose to bless me. Give me a woman who knows what she likes and doesn't like. Isn't afraid to ask for what she wants. And will speak her mind, if only to let me know that she is a real, living, person with thoughts of her own." Is this not the yearnings of your heart, splayed out on your profile like so much quasi-nauseating banter on the back of a harlequin romance cover? Oh, perhaps someone wrote it for you? No? Well then, when a lady of substance decides to become a professional femdomme, like myself and so many others, is she not speaking her mind?? Would it be accurate to say these women know what they want and are unfraid to pursue it? Maybe it's not them, but you, who is unsure of their desires OOOO. Your words have soften my heart. Actually I did write it, and it came from my heart. Needless to say I was in a very serious, no bull sh*t mood when I composed it. So some one actually did read my post. [:)] What I find suprising is your reference to "harlequin romance novels". My mother used to read those, how old are you? [:D] Darn it no verbal abuse! [:D]

MistressSassy66 -> RE: Cold Feet or Common Rudeness (2/7/2006 7:50:20 PM)
To answer the question both... Even though they get cold feet doesnt mean they should be rude.Happens a lot though. Unfortunately,I think some tend to believe a Pro-Domme isnt a "real"business Person.So there for,the Pro doesnt need to be given the same respect that they would when cancelling a DR appointment. I have a no call no show ,Dont contact Me again rule. A cancel 3 times in a row,Dont contact Me again rule. I prefer to not have people make deposits,although it may ensure more money iis just one more way to attract attention you may not want.There is always at least one or two bad apples in the basket,throw those away and keep looking for the good ones.[:)]

veronicaofML -> RE: Cold Feet or Common Rudeness (2/7/2006 9:10:27 PM)
You say that people should not be stupid enough to put themselves in these situations. Are you saying that battered wives and children are responsible for their wounds? I would tread carefully in the path you are headed. -------------- since it was your last post i can do what anyway. i got news for ya. where "I" come from..women are told and taught..to get the hell out asap if something starts brewing because i DID live in redneck territory and it DOES happen. MY parents were part of it...but MY mother would never leave so i got stuck in child abuse growing up. i had a ring side seat for 20 yrs. the ole man told me for the 1st 14 yrs..."you have no say so in this house until you turn 21, or you can whip my ass"....so at 14 i beat his ass. at 16 he told me to get out and not look back...so i did... he's been dead since '73-- died at 43. any who way.. you do whatever ya wanna coz you are gonna anyway. good luck to ya. and yes i am a stubborn old coot. i am a mean grouchy old fart and i like it that way... it just strikes me..you got a lot of book learning... now you need some life learning. bye kiddo take care

seaturtle50 -> RE: Cold Feet or Common Rudeness (2/7/2006 9:22:09 PM)
quote: i am a mean grouchy old fart and i like it that way... Doubtful that you are ... and i think not as to your liking of it too ;-) st50

DiannaVesta -> RE: Cold Feet or Common Rudeness (2/8/2006 5:45:44 AM)
No shows cost you money. I’m not longer doing pro sessions but when I did I required a deposit. I charged $50.00 for a short phone interview. This gave us both a chance to understand one another. This amount was deducted from their session. If they didn’t show up I was still paid for my time. There were quite a few cases when they asked if they could talk more and paid me for my time. Speaking with them made a big difference in the quality of the session. I only deducted the original 50.00 from the session and most of the time they still paid me my full session price. If you don’t feel comfortable taking credit cards set up a niteflirt.com account and tell them when you want them to call you. The problem with this is the fees. I think their fees are high. If they are on the web you can set-up Epassporte and have them transfer the money to your account. Epassporte is a lot like Pay Pal only they will allow adult. It’s good for the merchant and for the customer because it gives the customer privacy and the merchant payment with a debit card they can withdraw the money worldwide at any ATM machine or use it like a credit card. If you check out Epassorte please click my link. If you sign up I get credits on my account. https://www.epassporte.com/secure/epassporte.cgi?req=signup&reseller=diannavesta Personally I’ve been using it a lot lately and they have reoccurring billing. I have a few slaves that send me money monthly and this makes it a lot easier. It is true they can charge back, as John stated, however I can honestly say that I never got a charge back for this. John if you sold something tangible and have proof of shipping there is no way a chargeback would stick. Also, a client can pay for a session and later charge back. There are always risk in doing business, however the risk are lessened when doing business face to face. Dianna

MistressSassy66 -> RE: Cold Feet or Common Rudeness (2/8/2006 9:55:42 AM)
quote: No shows cost you money. I’m not longer doing pro sessions but when I did I required a deposit. I charged $50.00 for a short phone interview. This gave us both a chance to understand one another. This amount was deducted from their session. If they didn’t show up I was still paid for my time. There were quite a few cases when they asked if they could talk more and paid me for my time. Speaking with them made a big difference in the quality of the session. I only deducted the original 50.00 from the session and most of the time they still paid me my full session price Yes it does,I dont think some people understand that(money) part.Most Dommes I know dress for a session...really sucks to be all dressed up with nowhere to go...lol I really like that idea of the phone interview.A great way to know if you'll hit it off in a session.

veronicaofML -> RE: Cold Feet or Common Rudeness (2/8/2006 10:43:08 AM)
Veronica is correct, there are NO excuses. You either own up or you are a . . . I do not know as I cannot think of the proper vitrol. Veronica, if I have screwed up your viewpoint, I am sorry, and please flame away. Best, LaMalinche ============= nope..Ya did just fine..thank YOU.

sting516 -> RE: Cold Feet or Common Rudeness (2/8/2006 10:56:10 AM)
Ugh....this is always a hard tightrope to walk...before becoming owned by my Mistress, i had spoken with someone who claimed they were interested in me as a slave...we chatted for awhile when i suggested speaking on the phone...she told me the only way she'd do that is via niteflirt...to me, the relationship (online, though it was) changed at that point...i was no longer a potential slave, i was a client, at least i felt that way. Has anyone else here gone through a similar experience when talking to someone they thought was for real...what did you do? As for me, i told her thanks but no thanks...i wasn't looking to become a client. I'd also enjoy hearing the Domme's point of view on this. sting

missnoir -> RE: Cold Feet or Common Rudeness (2/8/2006 11:23:44 AM)
In response to Sting: I completely understand where you are coming from. I find it very hard as a prodomme, to appropriately title my potenial submissives. Everyone that contacts me is considerable for service but not all of these are acceptable as slaves. I try not to use the word client but sometimes it's unavoidable. Those submissives who chose to continue sessions despite not being offered a place in my keep are , in a sense, clients. Oftentimes, however, this type of submissive is comfortable with that label. I am sure that it is a complete turn-off to people of your nature seeking a full time mistress to be identified as such. All I can suggest is seeking out people who are looking for the same situation as you. If that population is sparse, you might have to swallow the label and try seeing a prodomme. Almost all of the slaves currently in my personal stable were once professional contacts. They exhibited the traits I desire for those I call my own and were able to transition over. I hope this helps. Good luck finding the right domme for you.

sting516 -> RE: Cold Feet or Common Rudeness (2/8/2006 11:27:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missnoir In response to Sting: I completely understand where you are coming from. I find it very hard as a prodomme, to appropriately title my potenial submissives. Everyone that contacts me is considerable for service but not all of these are acceptable as slaves. I try not to use the word client but sometimes it's unavoidable. Those submissives who chose to continue sessions despite not being offered a place in my keep are , in a sense, clients. Oftentimes, however, this type of submissive is comfortable with that label. I am sure that it is a complete turn-off to people of your nature seeking a full time mistress to be identified as such. All I can suggest is seeking out people who are looking for the same situation as you. If that population is sparse, you might have to swallow the label and try seeing a prodomme. Almost all of the slaves currently in my personal stable were once professional contacts. They exhibited the traits I desire for those I call my own and were able to transition over. I hope this helps. Good luck finding the right domme for you. Miss Noir, Thank You for Your comments...and i should be clear, the domme in question didn't tell me i became a client, i just felt that way...and while i agree, prodommes have their place, when i was first getting started, i did use prodommes to learn different aspects of submission...but that is not what i seek now...feeling the need for the overall connection. Thank goodness, i have found that...i'm now Owned...have been for about 4 months now...i was just relating something that happened to me prior to this relationship. Thank You for Your kind wishes as well. sting

DiannaVesta -> RE: Cold Feet or Common Rudeness (2/8/2006 12:15:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sting516 Ugh....this is always a hard tightrope to walk...before becoming owned by my Mistress, i had spoken with someone who claimed they were interested in me as a slave...we chatted for awhile when i suggested speaking on the phone...she told me the only way she'd do that is via niteflirt...to me, the relationship (online, though it was) changed at that point...i was no longer a potential slave, i was a client, at least i felt that way. Has anyone else here gone through a similar experience when talking to someone they thought was for real...what did you do? As for me, i told her thanks but no thanks...i wasn't looking to become a client. I'd also enjoy hearing the Domme's point of view on this. sting Sting this thread is about professional sessions and "no shows". As for the comment about Niteflirt- I can't speak for all the women here but I do know that when scouting for slaves I always make them pay to speak to me. It’s not so much that I need the money but that I want to filter out as many time wasters as possible. If you went out to seek some type of spiritual teaching the instructor or teacher may purposely charge an exorbitant amount of money because if someone is truly sincere they will find a way. I believe this is true. Sure the gift of submission is valued but how many sub males are 100% trained? Not many trust me. You reap what you sow and this lifestyle is no different. If you’ve got all the right mojo to make a dominant ladies head spin then good for you! Each woman has her own requirements and demands. Mine just happen to be VERY demanding but I also have a lot to offer. Should the relationship not work out he has many more tools to work with and can say, “Yes, I have had some training from Dianna Vesta”. I can’t tell you how many doors that opened for them. I admit that there are women who might dangle men around just for the sake of profit. It’s up to you to have good intuition and check them out first. Hell invest in one phone call and see how it goes. You both might click and have a great time. Dianna

UtahGoddess -> RE: Cold Feet or Common Rudeness (2/8/2006 12:36:59 PM)
To Sting, When I first began chatting with my current slave / husband I was very reluctant to begin a personal relationship. As I stated in another post I was quite guarded with my personal life due to past experiences. Therefore when my dino approached me wishing to see me personally and intimately I refused. The only way I would even agree to meet him was by professional appointment. We met as Dominatrix and client and in the weeks following that first appointment began a more intimate relationship. The point is....had he been unwilling to be a client first, we never would have met. Though I am responding to your post about being a client, I am not directing this to you. :) I am glad you have found your Domina and wish you and She much happiness. But I do want to point out to other submissive males that being a "client" to begin with does not necessarily relegate you to that status permanently. Ms Sandi

GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Cold Feet or Common Rudeness (2/8/2006 12:49:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sting516 Ugh....this is always a hard tightrope to walk...before becoming owned by my Mistress, i had spoken with someone who claimed they were interested in me as a slave...we chatted for awhile when i suggested speaking on the phone...she told me the only way she'd do that is via niteflirt...to me, the relationship (online, though it was) changed at that point...i was no longer a potential slave, i was a client, at least i felt that way. Has anyone else here gone through a similar experience when talking to someone they thought was for real...what did you do? As for me, i told her thanks but no thanks...i wasn't looking to become a client. I'd also enjoy hearing the Domme's point of view on this. sting I do have pages on niteflit, and I also do the occasional Pro Session. Considering My reputation as a hardline TPE where My lifestyle is concerned, one might conclude that I would tell any boy who wants to speak with Me (if we get to that point, that is) to call Me on niteflit. But I don't. It never occurred to Me that it would even be appropriate. Now I have referred some to niteflirt who are obviously trying to get a free wank. Of course they have never called! S I don't ask for funds to read email. I don't ask for funds to speak with Me on the phone. I do expect a boy to pick up the check if and when we have a F2F, even if it's just over a cup of coffee at Starbucks. (Did I mention I love Starbucks?) I don't measure sincerity in dollars. But I am practical. And I am honest. It is very annoying to be pursued, and then have "money grubbing scam artist" thrown at you. It is easy for me to separate a reality based TPE, from the fantasy most boys seem to require. It appears it is not so easy for them. This is only One Domina's POV. *Edited to add: Yes, I did think they were for "real", else I wouldn't have provided a number to call. It was when they realized I was for " really real", and I do not negotiate on certain areas of a TPE that they fell off the planet. But not before they tried to get enough sexual fodder for one good wank as they were falling asleep that night.

DiannaVesta -> RE: Cold Feet or Common Rudeness (2/8/2006 1:04:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UtahGoddess To Sting, When I first began chatting with my current slave / husband I was very reluctant to begin a personal relationship. As I stated in another post I was quite guarded with my personal life due to past experiences. Therefore when my dino approached me wishing to see me personally and intimately I refused. The only way I would even agree to meet him was by professional appointment. We met as Dominatrix and client and in the weeks following that first appointment began a more intimate relationship. The point is....had he been unwilling to be a client first, we never would have met. Though I am responding to your post about being a client, I am not directing this to you. :) I am glad you have found your Domina and wish you and She much happiness. But I do want to point out to other submissive males that being a "client" to begin with does not necessarily relegate you to that status permanently. Ms Sandi Most of my slaves, at least the ones that stand out the most were once clients. I must admit this is a major perk in in doing pro sessions. You get a chance to see them (lol- no pun!) first hand and there are no animosities should things not work out. Ms Sandi I love your photo BTW. It is soft and feminine while still being powerful and penetrating. You are a beautiful woman. Dianna

veronicaofML -> RE: Cold Feet or Common Rudeness (2/8/2006 1:40:39 PM)
Ms Sandi I love your photo BTW. It is soft and feminine while still being powerful and penetrating. You are a beautiful woman. Dianna ========== i 2nd that. a very soft looking but compelling picture. a lovely young Lady.

UtahGoddess -> RE: Cold Feet or Common Rudeness (2/8/2006 2:04:43 PM)
Thank you both very much! I'll pass that on to the boy that took them. :) Ms Sandi

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