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RE: Tell me who you are... - 5/24/2009 2:15:31 AM   
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the moment some sort of power exchange or expectation is presented... all of a sudden the talkative one goes into silent slave mode. 


I get just the opposite.  I get, "Oh, we don't have a relationship yet."  No, and if I don't see some signs of why you are supposedly submissive, we aren't going to have one, either.


We get some of both ... we also get the ones that want our permission to go to the bathroom or answer the phone or go to bed or whatever while we are talking (in the first conversation).  I don't care - I don't own the guy, and to be honest, we don't take that kind of control over the boy that we do own.  I've mostly quit arguing with them if the conversation is going well, though.  I just tell them "that's fine" and move on lol

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RE: Tell me who you are... - 5/24/2009 2:24:58 AM   
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I just read through this thread and a number of times I was antsy to post a reply, but then decided I would just read the whole thing through before deciding to write anything. The reason I've been so antsy about making a response is that I fit into several categories of the discussion, and hopefully an explanation might help to understand some of the people who are being discussed as a population within this thread.

You see, some time ago, I was one of the shyest people you could ever know. When it came to women, I was a basket case and rarely capable of holding up my end of a conversation. At the time, I was an Army officer and pretty dominant and forthright in my career with few problems unless it involved having to hold a conversation outside of the context of my work related duties. In the job, I was a powerhouse, and I even had a nickname of Major Destruction at one point because I used to walk into a situation and pretty much leave everyone in ruins or damn proud that they were doing one hell of a great job. But again, when it came to those personal situations outside of this work environment, I just avoided it, knowing I just didn't have the ability to make things happen. And looking back on it, it makes zero sense, but you don't know that at the time, and you end up living a life that makes very little sense at that time.

Before I became a dedicated submissive, which miraculously led to an almost immediate live-in situation, I was still suffering from this problem. But at that time, I started to recognize it was a problem I didn't like, so I started doing things that actually scared the crap out of me. I joined a debate team, and I went out every weekend and forced myself to speak in front of groups and to lots and lots of individuals. It was scary, but in a very short time, I began to excel at it, and to be honest, my life has never really been the same.

Today, people will laugh out loud if I tell them I used to be shy. They just don't believe it. When I tell them I used to have trouble speaking to people, they can't see it because nowadays you really can't shut me up.

With all that being said, this has led to a situation where I am pretty much who I am in whatever medium I exist. I always have a lot to say, but it tends to be relevant information as I avoid small talk and irrelevant conversation like the plague. Sometimes, that leads to those awkward moments where I don't have anything to say because there's really nothing to say. This is why I was such a good investigator; I don't fill up awkward moments with conversation; I wait and listen to what the other person has to say. The reason I mention this is that sometimes when I am with someone, she might believe this is a sign of shyness when it's a symptom of something completely different.

But with all of that, which is the antithesis of the problem itself, it doesn't really open up any more opportunities for finding someone over the noise that is everyone else. There are still tons of "look at me" submissives out there who are capable of drawing the attention of those to whom I also would like to attract, and quite often they are very successful. That gets tiring after awhile, and people tend to just avoid trying, or worse (become part of the problem). But for years I used to write long articles of advice to other submissives, only to discover that they aren't interested in how to better themselves, but in how to get rid of the competition. That, too, gets awfully tiring.


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RE: Tell me who you are... - 5/25/2009 2:14:05 PM   
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Although I'm mostly replying to Panda (but hello you LP)...Are you really so different in email compared to here in the forums? I am a writer so I would be disingenuous if I said I wasn't aware of my audience (I mean heck - I'm a gay sub woman and my favorite forum is where the dominant women are...thankfully they don't mind) but I am the same here, as I am in email as I am in person.


I don't think I'm any different in what i say or how I present myself,. with the exception that I'm generally a lot more candid and personally revealing in e-mail than I am in the forums. The difference is not so much in how i present myself, it's more a matter of what I choose to discuss and in what terms I choose to discuss it, as well as finding the proper inspiration to make the most effective presentation. Read on...


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Since you're making me think about it...I suppose I use my same abilities wherever I write and in this entire site (including email) of course I wouldn't write the same words as in say a college internal email (my work) but I don't become someone else. Maybe it is being a writer that I'm well aware not only of audience but my fictional world. This is my real world and here I am. I guess mostly what you see is what you get, because I genuinely have no interest in artifice and pretense.


Well, neither do I. And that's certainly not what I'm talking about. As a once and (probably) future professional writer myself, i also am acutely aware of my audience whenever I am writing something. It's not a question of choosing a different persona for myself, or unconsciously adopting a different persona - it's a matter of tailoring your presentation to speak most effectively to whomever you happen to be addressing. It's like the difference between giving a speech and having a private conversation with a friend over a cup of coffee. When I'm posting on a forum, I'm addressing a large audience, so in most cases whatever I write is probably going to be presented in broad, general terms. That's easy. You just open your mouth and  start typing. With most of my forum posts, once I've expressed it, people can read it or not, they can like it or not, whatever. I don't care. It makes no difference to me. I'm not communicating because I'm interested in hearing what every single person who reads it thinks about what I said, I'm communicating for the sole purpose of offering my opinion for total strangers to do with it whatever they like. I have very little further investment in whatever I have just said. If someone reads it and has an interesting response to it, that's fine, and I'll look forward to reading it. But in my experience, that's rare.

But when I'm composing a personal e-mail, my audience is very small, and quite private. That's a personal conversation, and it's something I'm going to want to put a lot of thought into. I may choose to discuss the same issues I was just discussing an hour ago in a forum post, but I'm certainly going to discuss them in a different manner, because it's a different context. Now, I'm directing my thoughts at one person and one person only, so when i choose what to say and how to present it, I'm going to be thinking in terms of just exactly how this is relevant to them, and how to say it in a way that is most likely to resonate with that particular person. Now I'm not just speaking in broad generalities; now I'm focusing my discussion, and I'm generally going to go into a good deal more depth on some specific aspects of the conversation. And I'm going to take great pains to ensure that I'm communicating clearly, and accurately, in the context of the specific discussion I am having with that person. Because I'm genuinely and deeply interested in hearing back about what they think of what I've just said. If I'm taking the time and making the effort to communicate privately with someone, it's because that's someone for whom it is very important for me that we have a productive, mutually satisfying conversation.

And I never - ever - feel that way about a forum post, because it's just a waste of time to make that much of an investment in something that 99% of the people who read it are going to completely misinterpret according to their own internal biases and neuroses to begin with.


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RE: Tell me who you are... - 5/25/2009 5:24:13 PM   
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OK Panda. I really don't know - at least not at all consciously - any neuroses I might have that will affect my writing, but sure...of course personal emails are different then the forum. It's talking to one person (hopefully) privately and the other is a general, public audience.

I suppose I likely do some of what you wrote without thinking about it. But again, as I write to you - directly - here, I'm writing you without thinking of this being a forum and adjusting (much) of what I'd write. If anyone else feels like reading these words - if anyone is that interested in my posts - feel free.

My point here is that to the male subs reading this and trying to get the attention of the beautiful dommes we have floating around CM, try to be as open as you can - push yourself to talk about you - and maybe if it's hard for you to think in terms of audience, don't. Just be. I think particularly as I get older, but honestly I've always been like this, I'm who I am - that fundamental doesn't change regardless of the audience or medium in question - and it sounds like some people are afraid to be who they are. I guess I feel that either a woman will like me for who I am or not. I realize male subs might have the numbers against them, but who knows? Maybe I do. But I still won't attempt to decipher what I 'think' a domme wants from me if it isn't who I am. She'll either like me as me or I'll move on. Maybe in some ways I'm just too darn confident at this point in my life that I know when I put myself out there - as the person I am - that eventually some nice ladies will appear. I could use more patience, but I truly don't have self-esteem issues - at least anything significant I'm aware of.

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RE: Tell me who you are... - 5/28/2009 3:16:14 AM   
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You know it's funny...I had been getting tons of "please do me without limits/i want to serve you/spank you/great tits" etc emails to the point I was going to block my profile. I thought I had explained clearly what I did/didn't want in my profile,and just assumed these people weren't reading it. I recently entered a D/D relationship with a 6"4 240 lb bodybuilding Dom...and when I posted that information I haven't gotten ONE of those emails since. It stopped just that abruptly. I guess folks do read profiles after all...they just choose to ignore certain information.

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RE: Tell me who you are... - 5/28/2009 4:12:51 AM   
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FR - I sincerely hate the question tell me about yourself...I mean seriously there's only so much you've done at the age of 22 so my typical answer is somewhere along the lines of: ...I'm a student, I had a parrot, and it died.

I don't know if I'll have anything more to say at the age of 50 but owell ..I mean..if I'll be alive by then


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RE: Tell me who you are... - 5/28/2009 10:29:11 AM   
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I don't know if I mentioned it in this thread or not, but I often ask the question as a test.  Even if someone is uncomfortable talking about themselves, I can get an answer by what they do tell me.  If the first thing out of their mouth is kink or sex... I have an answer that has yet to fail in telling me what their real interest is.  If they tell me something about themselves or their lives... I have another answer.  I just want to see what they say.  Will I get a couple sentences or a paragraph of basic stats or will I get someone who can say a bit more?

I see from this thread how some submissive's feel when asked this and now am tempering my lil test in a way.  If I feel there is more kink or sexual reasons for someone contacting me.. I still have said, tell me about yourself.  But have been kinder and considered more because of some of the things people said on this thread, when I think there is a chance they want to know me and it isn't just someone contacting for the wrong pleasures.

One thing I know that will not change for me... is I need a talker... one who can be interesting before and after the collar so to speak.  So I am trying to sum up all the threads lately and come to a few understandings. I am evolving and learning on this site too... and having the input of many is a wonderful thing! Thank you! 

Edit because I need to wake up!

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RE: Tell me who you are... - 5/28/2009 2:18:51 PM   
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Honestly, I usually encourage whomever we are talking to in asking questions.  I learn as much or more from what they ask then by how they answer my questions.  Plus, if they don't ask, I may forget to mention something important.

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RE: Tell me who you are... - 5/28/2009 2:31:05 PM   
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SweetDommes, after someone gets past my first requirements...omg... here come the questions! lol  I can go slow and easy with them or coming at them fast and all tangled up so they don't actually know exactly where I am headed... so they can't think of an answer I might want to hear, but instead, just respond.  God I love those moments! lol  I see so many things then.  I can go back and forth with the slow and easy and then bam! lol  I love gut reactions!

I don't always do this just to learn something.  Sometimes I do it to help them get out of trying to think too much or when getting stuck in a certain mindset.  There are many reasons.  Some just fun! lol  I do like to drill and grill... I'm kind of handy like that! hehe

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RE: Tell me who you are... - 5/28/2009 3:17:46 PM   
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LOL, my brain doesn't always work that fast.  Particularly when they catch me on my way to work (stressed, because I'm always running late) or after I get home from work (too tired to think lol).  It seems to be rare that they catch me when I'm not running late, or when I'm off work.  It gets fun sometimes. 

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RE: Tell me who you are... - 5/29/2009 2:29:00 AM   
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Gawd, they have internet access at the funny farm?


Hahaha, they do!!! I know the IT girl at a hospital.

I'm assuming she works there.... or they wouldn't let her out to play.

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RE: Tell me who you are... - 5/29/2009 4:47:54 AM   
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my life is an open book..the cover may be a tad dusty and discolored and the pages tattered..but it is open nonetheless...we can start when i turned two which is about as far back as i remember and go all the way to my current age of 56.and i am not saying this to be a smartass.i have stories up the ying-yang all true and non-habit forming..well except for maybe one thing in particular but that is neither here nor there..it would be a very interesting read too if i didn't say so myself.that may be looked upon as self-promotion but really i am a person who likes to talk which doesn't explain the gag fetish but what the hell..what can be explained about our lives that makes sense to the public anyways.so if you have an ear and are willing to respond then by all means let's have a go.chances are very high i'd get shot down anyways but at least you'd be mildly entertained for about three weeks..yes i have that much material.

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RE: Tell me who you are... - 5/29/2009 8:18:08 AM   
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i can empathise with people who find it difficult to express themeselves in words. Sometimes it is very difficult.  Particularly if you say get 2 questions that look exactly the same on an application form.  What does one do? to be honest i just told them about my life experiences and left it at that. i got no response but expected none neither.
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RE: Tell me who you are... - 5/29/2009 8:32:22 AM   
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Why are men so reticent in opening up? You know i think its a psychosocial thing. A lot of men just lack self confidence.  A lot of men are shy. Many men feel put upon. They think its unmanly to express how they really feel. Maybe they feel they will be laughed at. A lot of men deep down have self esteem issues and like i say they feel its unmanly to have these,. that they are somehow wimps to feel in any way inadequate as they sometimes do. its terrible i know but for me i think its comes down to a lack of self confidence. Women i think are much better interpersonally than men.  Why do you think nearly all receptionists are Women? Because they can interact much better with the person on the phone. they can empathise and express themselves in a way which most men cant. they are better in person to person relating than men. just my 2 cents
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RE: Tell me who you are... - 5/29/2009 9:28:25 AM   
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Okay so you get an email and so far it looks like the person has tried to read your profile and go by your wishes, so you respond.   Basically…tell me who you are.  If you are lucky you get a paragraph in response which includes a former mistress, yearning for _______(fill in the blank) and not much else.  You give one more chance… tell me about you, the person you are.

(Smacks self in head) Duh!  They just did!  Dingy dominant, non-morning person… get a clue!  Okay I have a clue; I just friggin forget it all from time to time.

I do try to be understanding and compassionate and know that words and writing don’t always come easy for some, so I do try to give a chance or two much to my own dismay or punishment I think. (Now) 

So really, the expert on you is you and even if it is difficult to talk about yourself, isn’t it worth a bit of struggle to tell someone about yourself if you really, really want what you say you seek?

Do other’s feel like I do… that if I have to drag it out of you word by word, there is no way in hell you are going to be able to handle one conversation with me? 

Or… am I being too harsh?


I imagine this posting will go on into eternity. It's soooo typical. Maybe it's a guy thing - not sure.  Had a sub email Me - "would like to get to know you" - looked at his profile, very little on there. Wrote back, I suggest you provide more details on your profile. He wrote back - what about You? LOL - now My profile is quite extensive, so - have no idea what the problem was. But in any event, he appeared to be looking for an argument way more than looking to serve. So - don't know if this will ever change. If anyone finds a Domme crystal ball - keep it - I still prefer they put some effort into things.


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RE: Tell me who you are... - 5/29/2009 9:43:01 AM   
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Perhaps for some of them the problem comes that text is a horrid way to get to know some one. I know for my part I would MUCH rather have face to face contact with people. I take EVERY thing I am told here with a grain of salt and a healthy bit of skepticism. Couple that with the fact that well I do not write very well.. I tend to ramble on and on.

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RE: Tell me who you are... - 5/29/2009 4:56:12 PM   
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Are we still on Unified Field Theory?  I thought that String Theory was the new craze!

Hello A/all,

"Tell me about yourself."  <GACK>  Where to start... Hmmm... Well...  My favorite expression is "Double Lunch and Hook It!"  I like Mint Chocolate Chip ice cream (the only good thing that a helicopter EVER brought me).  I am a good dancer.  I just bought a GPS.  On the other hand, I am a good navigator by land or air even with out a GPS.  I want to buy a Kimber SIS model 1911 in .45 ACP.  I recently sold a bunch of stock and bought gold.  I am having a hard time rehabilitating my right knee.  I am reading The Five Thousand Year Leap right now.  Sometimes, I don't want to get up in the morning.  This May has just flat-stomp-down-sucked.

"Tell me about yourself."  Really?..  I can't imagine that anybody really wants to know any of the above...  A bit of guidance about what you DO want to know would be helpful.

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RE: Tell me who you are... - 5/29/2009 5:51:13 PM   
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"Tell me about yourself."  <GACK>  Where to start... Hmmm... Well...  My favorite expression is "Double Lunch and Hook It!"  I like Mint Chocolate Chip ice cream (the only good thing that a helicopter EVER brought me).  I am a good dancer.  I just bought a GPS.  On the other hand, I am a good navigator by land or air even with out a GPS.  I want to buy a Kimber SIS model 1911 in .45 ACP.  I recently sold a bunch of stock and bought gold.  I am having a hard time rehabilitating my right knee.  I am reading The Five Thousand Year Leap right now.  Sometimes, I don't want to get up in the morning.  This May has just flat-stomp-down-sucked.

"Tell me about yourself."  Really?..  I can't imagine that anybody really wants to know any of the above...  A bit of guidance about what you DO want to know would be helpful.



I'd actually love to have potential partner send me something like that.  I usually ask people to "tell me about yourself" when I'm interested in them, but can't seem to get a conversation going.  Offhand, I can see five things that I'd love to talk to you about from what you've written, and I could probably pull out a few more.  In getting a feel for someone, the specifics of conversation (I need to know X, Y, and Z about you) are sometimes less important than the back-and-forth act of talking. 

You're welcome to explain the bit with the ice cream and the helicopter.  Extremely welcome.  By PM if necessary. 

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RE: Tell me who you are... - 5/29/2009 9:51:16 PM   
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i can empathise with people who find it difficult to express themeselves in words. Sometimes it is very difficult.  Particularly if you say get 2 questions that look exactly the same on an application form.  What does one do? to be honest i just told them about my life experiences and left it at that. i got no response but expected none neither.
kevin



Answer for question #2: 'see above.'

And this is coming from a screenwriter. I seem to blather on - oh I suppose when I just want to express a ton of thoughts/feelings - but screenwriting 101 - less is more so I can and do both.

Seriously, my answer for question 2 is appropriate. They want to know more, they'll ask.

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RE: Tell me who you are... - 5/29/2009 10:23:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mezrem

Perhaps for some of them the problem comes that text is a horrid way to get to know some one. I know for my part I would MUCH rather have face to face contact with people. I take EVERY thing I am told here with a grain of salt and a healthy bit of skepticism. Couple that with the fact that well I do not write very well.. I tend to ramble on and on.


Ironically, I just had this conversation with a young domme - I didn't ask, I just wrote to her saying she didn't say much about herself. Then she replied and viola, there's more then a cute, blondie domme in what she wrote...she's a real woman. I try very hard - honestly - to not judge others by their writing abilities. I am a writer, if it doesn't show, I can and do express my personality in written form, it is my other job as well (I'm an online instructor) so I realize I have this advantage and I try hard to give the other person I'm communicating with ample opportunity to show themselves.

Now this young domme suddenly became a real person to me, with patience on my end, I did not immediately move on after a few one-sentence emails. So this isn't an exclusively male phenomenon but maybe males have a harder time. I'm not sure but it could be less about gender/personality and more about writing skills.

And I'd agree - for however I present myself in written form - I tend to do better in person (but alas - two months + and counting...still no domme has met me for the dreaded coffee date).

I disagree that writing is a poor medium to get to know someone. On the contrary, I think it's an excellent form; however I tend to find it works better in tandem with meeting someone in person. In my best case scenario, when I meet someone first in person then I begin to dialogue with them in email is when I tend to build closer friendships.

If I could offer you some advice, go ahead. Ramble. It's much better then a non-properly punctuated one-liner. Those (sorry to the good guys reading this) tend to flag me that I'm less likely to be communicating with a woman and I truly have to want to work harder at trying to get to know the person. Catch me at the wrong moment and I might just move on out of frustration (which is what I've been experiencing lately).

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