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RE: What about me? - 5/8/2009 7:33:31 PM   
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You're a bottom. Nothing wrong with that, there are scads here on CM.

You are quite welcome on the forums- there's plenty of room for all kinds of people here!

And being a bottom doesn't make you a "do-me" sub. Do-me's are selfish. That's what makes them do-me's.

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RE: What about me? - 5/9/2009 10:56:29 AM   
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I guess I'm asking if this leaves me out of this community. I spend a lot of time lurking here, and it sure feels like it.

Just asking,


J.


You know, quite a lot of people like Indian food, some of them might like a vindaloo, some like madrass, some like dishes from different regions better, some only like the vegetarian options, other prefer beef, chicken or fish...

Are only the ones who like the super hot dishes are into "real" Indian food and all the others are not worthy of eating in Indian restaurants or eating Indian food at all?

It's the same with BDSM, a lot of different things under that umbrella, you don't have to embrace it all, not everybody is into everything, not everybody wants to go the whole 9 yards. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

As long as you are honest about your desires, there is NOTHING wrong with that, in fact if you would pretend that you want to be a lifestyle submissive and it goes against everything you are looking for, you would be doing yourself and the dominant a disfavor and it would most likely all end in tears.

I always find it a bit funny if people declare BDSM is what they declare BDSM and nothing else, it's what you and your partner make of it. Most amusing actually to think where vanilla stops and BDSM starts, so many BDSM elements have crept into vanilla, I think 50 years ago people would have been shocked and thought it perverted if somebody would have used blindfolds or restrains, I would think that this is fairly normal now for most vanilla couples, but just because the vanilla world has embraced certain elements, it doesn't mean that they aren't BDSM anymore.



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RE: What about me? - 5/9/2009 11:00:20 AM   
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One man's trash is another man's treasure.



Perhaps that ought to have been "one man's thrash . . ."

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RE: What about me? - 5/9/2009 11:03:06 AM   
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One man's trash is another man's treasure.



Perhaps that ought to have been "one man's thrash . . ."


I'm not exactly a thrash metal fan ;)

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RE: What about me? - 5/9/2009 11:45:01 AM   
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Firstly, "do-me sub' is completely inappropriate a description for you if you really are submitting to someone else sexually.  Assume a woman tells you of a dominant sexual fantasy that she's had all her life and this fantasy has been something you've never imagined, yourself.  Would you do it?  If so, she's dominant because she's getting her way; you're submissive because you're submitting to her desires - even (especially) if you enjoy what started out as her fantasy alone.

Secondly, that depth of desire to be dominated sexually can grow at different stages in one's life.  It can broaden too; such that one might end up wanting dominance 'outside of the bedroom'.  From what I've seen, all this can change according to the particular partner one finds and how a given relationship develops, too.

Thirdly, I concur that the important thing is to be honest about exactly how you feel about your feelings as they are, at present.  Beyond that, though, I'd say that if you find that this site interesting, then this is because you fit - at least to some minimal degree - into whatever 'community' can be said to exist here. 

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RE: What about me? - 5/9/2009 3:33:52 PM   
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I guess I'm asking if this leaves me out of this community. I spend a lot of time lurking here, and it sure feels like it.

Just asking,

J.


You know, quite a lot of people like Indian food, some of them might like a vindaloo, some like madrass, some like dishes from different regions better, some only like the vegetarian options, other prefer beef, chicken or fish...

Are only the ones who like the super hot dishes are into "real" Indian food and all the others are not worthy of eating in Indian restaurants or eating Indian food at all?

It's the same with BDSM, a lot of different things under that umbrella, you don't have to embrace it all, not everybody is into everything, not everybody wants to go the whole 9 yards. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

As long as you are honest about your desires, there is NOTHING wrong with that, in fact if you would pretend that you want to be a lifestyle submissive and it goes against everything you are looking for, you would be doing yourself and the dominant a disfavor and it would most likely all end in tears.

I always find it a bit funny if people declare BDSM is what they declare BDSM and nothing else, it's what you and your partner make of it. Most amusing actually to think where vanilla stops and BDSM starts, so many BDSM elements have crept into vanilla, I think 50 years ago people would have been shocked and thought it perverted if somebody would have used blindfolds or restrains, I would think that this is fairly normal now for most vanilla couples, but just because the vanilla world has embraced certain elements, it doesn't mean that they aren't BDSM anymore.



I agree with LadyC.  If you love the idea of a dominant woman and want to be dominated sexually, how does that make you *not* kinky, *not* into BDSM?

I've known many people into some form of BDSM, and there are almost as many different ways of having a relationship involving BDSM, as there are relationships.  Each couple (threesome, etc) custom makes their own, which is a wonderful freedom to claim.  Have it your way!  (Well, her way, when you find the right one.)

No one can keep you out of the scene community, because if you are into BDSM,  you are the community, however private or public you want to take it.

I think it's true that those who are most visible in the scene, are often more extreme, as to their involvement in BDSM, whereas others may keep it more private.  I think this is what you are observing.  And certainly, there is some elitism-by-extremes.  But, if someone wants to impose their own measure of what's hot and what's not on you, screw 'em.

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RE: What about me? - 5/9/2009 3:39:45 PM   
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But, if someone wants to impose their own measure of what's hot and what's not on you, screw 'em.

Well said.

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RE: What about me? - 5/9/2009 3:47:31 PM   
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Hi Madame M,

It seems that BDSM sometimes becomes disturbingly close to organized religion and some people have declared themselves to be the high priests or popes of it, completely forgetting that it's possibly the expression of individuals. How sad would it be if BDSM would be another set of rules that everybody has to follow? Some kinks, fetishes or practises might gross me out, but as long as 2 or more consenting adults are happy with it, it's none of my business what they do, unless they make it my business by asking me about it or force it on me with no way of avoiding it - and that is not BDSM, that's just bad manners.

Should somebody decide that I'm not a "true dominant" because I would be bored out of my skull laying on a sofa, being fed grapes and having a carpet of human slaves, that's fine, but there is so much more to life than just BDSM, I see it as something that enhances my life and not something that limits me. A little bit like spice, I love spicy food, but I would hardly want to eat just the spices on their own...

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RE: What about me? - 5/9/2009 4:21:46 PM   
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You say 'religion', I say 'ideology' - but it amounts to the same thing:  joy-killing.

Thank god for posts like yours, and MadameMarque's, on this thread.  I've seen so many posts that breathe of "this is true sub" or "this is true domme" recently that it's started to make it all feel heavy and downright tiresome.  Jeez, I'd had enough ideologies before I left college - I don't need any more of them now.



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RE: What about me? - 5/9/2009 4:30:58 PM   
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Most amusing actually to think where vanilla stops and BDSM starts, so many BDSM elements have crept into vanilla, I think 50 years ago people would have been shocked and thought it perverted if somebody would have used blindfolds or restrains, I would think that this is fairly normal now for most vanilla couples, but just because the vanilla world has embraced certain elements, it doesn't mean that they aren't BDSM anymore.


*shrug*  I find the statement "just because the vanilla world embraces certain elements" to be the key concept here.  If the vanilla world provides all that you could want and none of what you don't--why bother to deal with the bdsm community?  To pursue your Indian food metaphor--if all you want is samosas in London, you don't need to walk into a pricey Authentic Indian Food restaurant to get them.  You can stop at the stand on the corner and get exactly what you want with none of what you don't, at a much lower price.  So why not do it?

The construction of "vanilla" sexuality within the bdsm community is incredibly oppositional and proprietary.  People who have embraced the cultural construction of bdsm sometimes seem to honestly feel as if they OWN spanking, anal sex, bondage, and every other sexual act and kink that they practice--and that these things belong to no one else.  As if these were all invented by the "Old Guard" last year and therefore we can guarantee that "vanilla" people will never ever do, enjoy, or understand these things in the bedroom.

It's nonsense.  "Vanilla People" are not NEARLY as vanilla as folks around here make them out to be.  My hobby as a photographer has brought me into contact with a tremendous number of people with a wide variety of interests:  most of the kinkiest and most sexually adventurous people I've met were actually on sites like Adult Friend Finder, not here.  The key differences that I have seen are never in simple bedroom activities like hetero anal sex, bondage, spanking, or roleplaying in stereotypical costumes, blah blah blah.  The things that set the bdsm "community" apart from the vanilla world are the politically incorrect power dynamics within non-sexual parts of the relationship, and of course the more extreme activities associated with heavy masochism and sadism, emotional and physical.


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RE: What about me? - 5/9/2009 4:52:13 PM   
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The things that set the bdsm "community" apart from the vanilla world are the politically incorrect power dynamics within non-sexual parts of the relationship, and of course the more extreme activities associated with heavy masochism and sadism, emotional and physical.



That might be your idea of BDSM, I do not embrace every aspect of BDSM, as I said, some of them gross me out but because they are not right for me, doesn't mean they might not be right for somebody else.

I'm primarily a sadist, yet I would never dream of inflicting pain on somebody who doesn't consent to it, that would be abuse, abuse and BDSM are miles apart for me.

And as for vanilla, just because the vanilla community has embraced certain aspects of BDSM, I feel no need to knock them back just because "they" enjoy it as well, I'd consider that cutting off my nose to spite my face.

For some of us BDSM is an expression of our sexuality, for others it is something they want in every aspect of their lives, whatever makes you happy is fine, but claiming there is only one way of BDSM would be a bit like saying only straight intercourse is sex - Clinton tried that one...

As for cheap samosas, whoever likes them, they are welcome to them, but I would hardly claim that a cheap samosa gives you a taste of the many variations the Indian cuisine has to offer, that's like saying you like Italian food because you opened a tin of alphabeti spaghetti.

BDSM has as many faces and sides as anything else and everybody is entitled to pick out for themselves what they like about it, there aren't 2 dominants or 2 submissives that are exactly the same, so how can BDSM be the same for everybody? Why try and make it like such an exclusive club? I have to admit that I'm very glad that it has found its way into the mainstream because it has open people's minds a bit and we aren't regarded as a bunch of freaks who are only into brutality anymore (or at least it is going there). I would see little point in being an "exclusive club" and trying to outdo each other, but would rather see the "community" as something that embraces diversity instead of limiting ourselves within the community by "Only people who are into ... are true to BDSM"
The fact that the vanilla world has widely adopted some practises that used to be exclusively in the realm of BDSM has done us a hell lot of good.



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RE: What about me? - 5/9/2009 9:15:33 PM   
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That might be your idea of BDSM, I do not embrace every aspect of BDSM, as I said, some of them gross me out but because they are not right for me, doesn't mean they might not be right for somebody else.


*shrug*  This has nothing to do with "my idea" of anything, or what I particularly practice.  It is about my observation of the sexual behavior of two different groups of people, what they have in common and what really differentiates them.  And bringing up the issue of non-consent or abuse has nothing to do with anything I've said, so I'm not sure why you're mentioning it.

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As for cheap samosas, whoever likes them, they are welcome to them, but I would hardly claim that a cheap samosa gives you a taste of the many variations the Indian cuisine has to offer, that's like saying you like Italian food because you opened a tin of alphabeti spaghetti.


Your rejection of your own metaphor seems strange to me.  If you have standards for what "counts" as "real" Indian food and "real" Italian food, why is someone a villain if they have ideas about "real" bdsm as opposed to the canned Alphabet Pasta version?


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RE: What about me? - 5/9/2009 10:17:25 PM   
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I do! 


Also ROTFL

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RE: What about me? - 5/9/2009 10:41:24 PM   
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Hi Madame M,

It seems that BDSM sometimes becomes disturbingly close to organized religion and some people have declared themselves to be the high priests or popes of it, completely forgetting that it's possibly the expression of individuals. How sad would it be if BDSM would be another set of rules that everybody has to follow? Some kinks, fetishes or practises might gross me out, but as long as 2 or more consenting adults are happy with it, it's none of my business what they do, unless they make it my business by asking me about it or force it on me with no way of avoiding it - and that is not BDSM, that's just bad manners.

Should somebody decide that I'm not a "true dominant" because I would be bored out of my skull laying on a sofa, being fed grapes and having a carpet of human slaves, that's fine, but there is so much more to life than just BDSM, I see it as something that enhances my life and not something that limits me. A little bit like spice, I love spicy food, but I would hardly want to eat just the spices on their own...


I think you really hit on something, too, about whether you allow yourself to be limited in some way, by BDSM in your life.  People talk about it and institutionalize it till they forget why they're into it, in the first place.  Isn't it something that - for better or worse - came naturally to you as a drive, a desire, a hunger, an impulse, the stuff your fantasies were creating, on their own?

It might be a question to ask about anything - is this letting me create my life, fulfill my needs, my desires, overcoming limitations on what can be? - or is it limiting me, limiting my beliefs about what can be?

If I'm going somewhere extreme with someone, are they feeling, 'ah, take me there! finally, I can be myself'.  Or are they feeling, 'To be that submissive, I'll just put aside all these other parts of myself, so I can be That.'  And if I become a 24/7, full-on dominant, am I being myself, relieved of the pretense of some other way of being?  Or am I fitting into my role every day, by denying whatever of me doesn't fit the mold?


I do wish you'd rethink the carpet of human slaves, though.  mmm, It's warm, it's smooth, feels great under your feet or lounging on it watching videos, and it practically maintains itself.  Actually, it maintains itself.

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RE: What about me? - 5/10/2009 5:57:58 AM   
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I don't think it is out of the question to find someone who wants to be in charge in the bedroom. I think folks like you may not necessarily post to the boards because they might feel like you that they somehow they don't fit. I think it is all about presenting yourself truthfully. I would recommend finding and attending a munch. All the best on your journey.

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RE: What about me? - 5/10/2009 7:43:23 AM   
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I think you really hit on something, too, about whether you allow yourself to be limited in some way, by BDSM in your life.  People talk about it and institutionalize it till they forget why they're into it, in the first place.  Isn't it something that - for better or worse - came naturally to you as a drive, a desire, a hunger, an impulse, the stuff your fantasies were creating, on their own?

It might be a question to ask about anything - is this letting me create my life, fulfill my needs, my desires, overcoming limitations on what can be? - or is it limiting me, limiting my beliefs about what can be?

If I'm going somewhere extreme with someone, are they feeling, 'ah, take me there! finally, I can be myself'.  Or are they feeling, 'To be that submissive, I'll just put aside all these other parts of myself, so I can be That.'  And if I become a 24/7, full-on dominant, am I being myself, relieved of the pretense of some other way of being?  Or am I fitting into my role every day, by denying whatever of me doesn't fit the mold?


I do wish you'd rethink the carpet of human slaves, though.  mmm, It's warm, it's smooth, feels great under your feet or lounging on it watching videos, and it practically maintains itself.  Actually, it maintains itself.


Anything that makes a person more complete, more happy, is a good thing. When I discovered BDSM, it was a huge weight off my chest, I realized that those vague fantasies that did turn me on weren't "odd" or "very worrying" but that there were plenty of people who actually embraced it, it also helped me to understand that I'm not in some way "evil" and that there's nothing wrong with dishing out pain and dominating somebody who enjoys it, that there are actually counterparts for me and I don't need to force it on somebody. Despite finding BDSM, it still took me years to come to terms with my sadism and actually embrace it. I get the "but you can't be a sadist, you're too nice" fairly often and the misconception of all sadists being abusers gets to me. Do I have to be impolite, uncaring, loud and rough to be a sadist? The best dominants (male or female) I know, are the most polite and considerate people you can find, they don't need to wear their dominance on their sleeve, they don't need to rub it into everybody's face, they just are and they're happy with themselves. The same goes for subs, they aren't sniffeling little creatures, most of them are successful in their own right and they accept their craving for submission, they bring it to the right place, they don't beg their secretaries to let them kiss their feet, but they live it out in the appropriate place.

I guess some people feel happy being the 24/7 full-on dominant, if I have to be that every waking minute, something valuable would be taken from me. For example, hanging out with friends who are not into BDSM, being with my friends is as much part of me and is as important for me as BDSM is, now trying to play "uber domme" with them would not only be rude, it would also most likely result in losing said friends. Terribly limiting...

Basically if you know who you are, what you enjoy, then you do embrace it and it will fit into your life (not always without a struggle) but you don't feel the need to tell everybody what is the only "true" way of practising BDSM and beware those who don't agree... Luckily BDSM has no popes or high priests, though it can be fun if you're into a bit of role play. Some people actually require submissives to even ask if they are permitted to use the toilet, and there are submissives who like that level of control, so it's great for them, personally I don't really want to regulate somebody's bladder or bowel functions 24/7, I would feel I got much better things to do, but if they are happy with it, great for them.

Going to extreme places with a partner who also craves the experience can be a mind blowing thing, it's almost like bonding on a very special level, somebody trying to go there just to fit the mold might really ruin the experience.

One thing that I keep noticing over and over again is, that most of the people who preach so much about what BDSM is and what it isn't, they do seem to have issues and are often trying to mask their insecurities, a little bit like they found their fringe group and they need to establish themselves, trying to turn it into an organized cult. It happens on both sides of the whip.

Now, don't get me wrong, nothing against human carpets, but again, there's a time and a place for that, 24/7 I would find that rather stiffling. I mean, since my work requires me to travel quite a bit, organizing a human carpet from home or the office to the airport would be just too much work, I think I rather take a cab. Apart from the danger of stumbling on the uneven human carpet and running the danger of breaking an ankle... Mind you, I've done that once without human carpets and it was a rather unpleasant experience.

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RE: What about me? - 5/10/2009 7:47:09 AM   
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Now, don't get me wrong, nothing against human carpets, but again, there's a time and a place for that, 24/7 I would find that rather stiffling. I mean, since my work requires me to travel quite a bit, organizing a human carpet from home or the office to the airport would be just too much work, I think I rather take a cab. Apart from the danger of stumbling on the uneven human carpet and running the danger of breaking an ankle... Mind you, I've done that once without human carpets and it was a rather unpleasant experience.


Personally, I would opt for four hunky men carrying me along in a velvet-draped litter.

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RE: What about me? - 5/10/2009 8:05:49 AM   
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Personally, I would opt for four hunky men carrying me along in a velvet-draped litter.


The airport is about 30 to 45 minutes away by car... Early morning flight, imagine how long it would take those 4 hunks to get you to the airport... Bad enough to get up at 5AM sometimes, up at 2AM just for the pleasure of being carried to the airport is definitely out of the question, I rather have 3 more hours of sleep!

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RE: What about me? - 5/10/2009 2:11:29 PM   
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Lockit wrote: In my opinion I see a do me submissive as someone who does not see who I am and just wants me to service his kink.  If you aren't treating people as if they are nothing more than someone to help you get off, you are simply someone looking for bedroom submission within a relationship from what you discribe.

Politesub53 wrote: I disagree with this Ma`am. Whilst there may well be submissives who act like You say, there will also be guys who want to treat you with love and respect, within a normal type relationship, but be submissive only in the bedroom.

I think you missed a `not': if you aren't treating the woman as just something to get you off, you're not a do-me sub but somebody who wants to only submit in the bedroom.

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RE: What about me? - 5/10/2009 2:14:44 PM   
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ShaktiSama wrote:  I think it's pretty strange to expect to fit in at a site called "COLLAR ME" if you don't ever want anyone to...y'know...collar you.

So what are all those dominants doing here, then?

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