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RE: And now the end is near .... - 2/5/2006 10:15:00 AM   
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Mr. Discipline took the words right out of my mouth. As I sat here and read this, I thought the same thing. Your Master seems to be someone who is having his own internal confliction (particularly sexual identification) and is projecting this conflict onto the "lil one." It seems to me that this is a man who is living in constant fear of who he is and that fear acts out in his behavior toward your son.

I've read all of the replies on here and would strongly suggest you take the advice from those who wrote that you should seek out professional help. Perhaps a therapist who is familiar with the lifestyle would be the best for choice for you but at this point, even if you can't find such a therapist, I would suggest that you at least find someone professional who can help you and your son. My guess is that your Master isn't ready to get help for himself because of his pride and fear but if he can past all of that and start working on his internal conflicts, perhaps the three of you can eventually live in peace and harmony.

My slave and I wish you all the best and especially hope things turn around, for the good, for your son.

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RE: And now the end is near .... - 2/5/2006 10:16:31 AM   
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When I posted that I think this or that about the master in question, I was merely giving my opinion of what might be going on with him. Not giving a difinitive excuse or answer to what is going on with him. I agree that only he can say for sure what is going on with him.

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RE: And now the end is near .... - 2/5/2006 10:16:39 AM   
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Subjects which are unacceptable regardless of circumstance include, but are not limited to - minors, ****, ****, necrophilia, snuff and criminal activities...


why does this "rule" even exist if it is so blatantly disregarded by people posting here? this slave fails to understand why people drag out their parenting issues and their unmentionables as subjects for discussion on a BDSM discussion board with rules stating such discussions are unaccaptable.

from your descriptions, your lack of communication with your Master/husband and your lack of a source for support offline in spite of the fact you have family and "so-called" friends could have taken up a whole page without even mentioning the unmentionable.

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RE: And now the end is near .... - 2/5/2006 10:19:36 AM   
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There are many guy's out there that are bi or gay and you just have no clue. I've talked to many men who have told me they have had some sort of sexual experience with males in their adult life, some consider themselves bi and some don't. Your Master sounds like he is bi. There is nothing wrong with that. What might help you is to do some reading on the matter or even talk to some bi or gay men. I hope that helps.

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RE: And now the end is near .... - 2/5/2006 10:42:22 AM   
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i understand that he has a lot on his plate, as do I, I work very hard, at a very stressful office, i work from dawn to dusk, i am always tentive to his every need, i do it all for him - There is nothing on his plate that he hasn't chosen to take on himself...because he will have it no other way. He is extremely controlling and needs to be in control of everything and everyone around him. As far as my unmentionable, i allowed him to have control of his discipline because of the fact that he was the first adult that my lil one would respect....before him, my unm never respected anyone....not even his own dad, not nearly as much as he does my Master....so it was like a blessing for me, i felt it was the very best thing that could happen to my young one...and i am not saying he is bad to him, but i just believe that everything needs a balance of some sort....and i just don't see it here, not really.

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RE: And now the end is near .... - 2/5/2006 10:45:02 AM   
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IMO, there is a difference to having had an experience with a man and having on going and wanting future sexual experiences with men. The former does not mean you bi, just experimental. The later does mean your bi. If one doesn't wish to say they are bi but still has sex with men and women then that's just denial of their inner self.

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RE: And now the end is near .... - 2/5/2006 10:57:37 AM   
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i don't make the rules, sorry.

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RE: And now the end is near .... - 2/5/2006 12:40:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetkajira

thanks for your reply. It was quick to judge, point finger, and offend. But we all have the right to voice our opinion, so i am voicing mine as well. Normally i have no problem debating any issue, since this however, is regarding my own life, there really is no point in me trying to convince you, a stranger, of who i am and who i am not....you drew your own conclusions and more power to you!

God bless you.


I thank you for your words, in accepting my being able to voice my opinion, now I hope you can take that same attitude toward your husband. You sound like a strong, intelligent lady, and your words imply you know what you want. I'm confused by your stated actions. I wish you well.

K

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RE: And now the end is near .... - 2/5/2006 2:42:50 PM   
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Well I'll probably get blasted for this but I dont care. Your child is THE most important person in your life. You carry them in your bodies, they are a part of you that no one else can ever come close to. Masters/Doms will come and go but that child is a part of you. Their well being and safety comes before even your own. Now if you think this guy is being to heavy handed with this child then damn right stand up to him and tell him to back off! It sounds as if your parenting styles are different and if he see's you standing up to him in defense of your child is wrong, then your better off without this guy. He could be a control freak who needs a reality check.

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RE: And now the end is near .... - 2/5/2006 2:50:51 PM   
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I only read the first page of responses so I apologize if I'm repeating what others have said. In fact, I know I'm going to repeat what at least one person has said because I think it bears repeating and really hope you heed the advice.

I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with candystripper. You need to get your child to at least a well qualified professional for a psychological assessment and/or diagnosis. A team of multi-disciplinary professionals is ideal, but if you can find a good psychologist you might also be OK (not all of them understand behavioural issues and what can be at the root of them...it could be any number of things in the end). THIS SHOULD BE YOUR FIRST PRIORITY RIGHT NOW!! You are this child's mother and slave or not you have a responsibility to this child and it's about time you stepped up to the plate and did what you probably should have a long time ago. Your time for fantasy role playing is over. Forget about your "Master" and about your needs as a "slave" and the ex-wife and all the other incidental drama. GET THIS CHILD SEEN BY PROFESSIONALS!

I apologize for how harsh this sounds but from the few responses of yours I read it sounds like you're not really facing reality here. Your child needs help and it's your job as a parent to make sure he gets it. I happen to have two minor children with 'needs' so I know from where I speak. Knowing what the cause is goes a long way in dealing with the issues and frankly, I'd rather a child be given a medically recognized label than being labelled as a "problem" child.

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RE: And now the end is near .... - 2/5/2006 2:58:00 PM   
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Just out of curiousity, can I ask on what you base these comments? I'm curious if you happen to work with kids/families like this or if it is based on anectdotal evidence. While what you say can be true for some families there are also many medically recognized reasons for why children act out. Once you know why and understand that the behaviour is a form of communication it' easier to deal with the behaviour and provided the environment that helps alleviate the behaviour.

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ORIGINAL: Shayna
I'd like to second Lady Julie Ann's comments. Problem behavior that children exhibit are almost always a combination of nature and nurture. Stability and love, with structure and clear expectations, is the best situation. Of course it's much easier to say that than provide that environment all the time. Stressors on the adult relationship can get acted out in the parenting arena. If the parents aren't able to handle their own problems (relationships, work, health) then their parenting will suffer (impatience, over reaction, etc.). I do not believe in first looking at the child's problems; the parents need to get THEIR act together, then deal with the family as a WHOLE, not isolate a child as "the" problem.

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RE: And now the end is near .... - 2/5/2006 3:15:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsIncognito

Just out of curiousity, can I ask on what you base these comments? I'm curious if you happen to work with kids/families like this or if it is based on anectdotal evidence. While what you say can be true for some families there are also many medically recognized reasons for why children act out. Once you know why and understand that the behaviour is a form of communication it' easier to deal with the behaviour and provided the environment that helps alleviate the behaviour.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Shayna
I'd like to second Lady Julie Ann's comments. Problem behavior that children exhibit are almost always a combination of nature and nurture. Stability and love, with structure and clear expectations, is the best situation. Of course it's much easier to say that than provide that environment all the time. Stressors on the adult relationship can get acted out in the parenting arena. If the parents aren't able to handle their own problems (relationships, work, health) then their parenting will suffer (impatience, over reaction, etc.). I do not believe in first looking at the child's problems; the parents need to get THEIR act together, then deal with the family as a WHOLE, not isolate a child as "the" problem.



I work with families in their homes and am part of a team that works with development. I didn't mean to imply that there weren't any medically based reasons for behavioral issues, because I know that they exist, and some to the level of severity that require hospitalization.

Be well,
Julie

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RE: And now the end is near .... - 2/5/2006 3:29:29 PM   
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kajira,

From personal experience I can tell you it's not easy marrying into a ready made family. I went from living alone with a cat to a family of 4. One of the things that has strengthened my relationship with my slave is he has NEVER undermined my authority in front of his children. If we disagree we discuss it in private.

When you married your Dom, he accepted the role of a Father figure for your child. That means he has to be able to parent. From what I have read it sounds as though you "castrated" him in front of the child. I don't blame him for being angry. You have thrown the entire power dynamic of the household into the hands of an out of control child.

You need to decide if you are going to raise your children alone or if you are going to be parenting partners. If you are going to undermine Him every time he attempts to discipline your child, get a divorce and live alone.

I have read previous posts stating "your child is more important than your Dom" and other such sentiments. I disagree. In a FAMILY all members are important. So long as there isn't abuse, you should bite your tongue and save your dissent for a private
conversation with your Dom (NOT YOUR CHILD).

And BTW.....unles your child is being chained in a closet, being grounded isn't abusive.

If you continue to parent the way you always have.....your child's behavior will not change. You mentioned your child's lack of respect in an earlier post. The "lil one" has learned all he has to do is manipulate the adults in his environment to get his way. (Primarily YOU)

If you want things to change, it's time to parent differently. It will be difficult at first as the "lil one" tries to circumvent the new rules, but eventually things will settle out. One day your child is going to be an adult. For now he/she needs parents.

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RE: And now the end is near .... - 2/5/2006 3:39:12 PM   
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I didn't get that implication in your post at all. I was mostly curious about Shayna's comments.
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ORIGINAL: LadyJulieAnn

I work with families in their homes and am part of a team that works with development. I didn't mean to imply that there weren't any medically based reasons for behavioral issues, because I know that they exist, and some to the level of severity that require hospitalization.

Be well,
Julie[/color]

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RE: And now the end is near .... - 2/5/2006 3:42:46 PM   
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quote:

thanks for the reply.... my lil one was admitted in psychiatry (in patient) at one point, for abrief time, like a week... he's been on meds, and quite frankly did not help... a lot has to do with behavior, although he's improved and is not aggressive anymore, the problems are majorly at school.... at this point...and things like not doing what's asked of him etc.


Does your child still see a counselor? I have a 'problem' teen (on meds for bipolar disorder) and have found psychiatrists and therapists to be really great resource in dealing with some of the very serious problems we have been presented with.

I wish you the best of luck, Ophelia

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RE: And now the end is near .... - 2/5/2006 3:50:12 PM   
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Ok, I tried, I really, really tried but the urge got to be too strong


quote:

Master and i are having some serious issues...and i don't really know how things turned so sour so fast! One minute we were the happiest couple i knew, the next, we aren't speaking to eachother and he's sleeping on the couch.

Sounds like some serious miscommunication problems. A rule of thumb is never go to bed angry, all that does is help resentment build.

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The problem is that my little person, in all honesty, is a "problem lil person", and i know this, everyone knows this - my Master has been very stern with my lil person, and for the most part it has been a blessing - however, there are times where i feel it goes to an extreme, not in the abusive sense, not like the lil person has ever been touched, or yelled at - not at all - but the lil person is always punished, and for the most part i agree, since it's definetly deserved! trust me! What happened the other night, however, was that my Master grounded my lil person and i just did not agree with it,

Well, from what I am reading, you at first gave your Master permission to play a role of authority in your little one's upbringing, and then did a turn around and got angry when he did. You can not have it both ways.

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it is a "blind obedience" type M/s relationship

Even I, am finding this to be somewhat hard to swallow. There is no such thing as 'blind obedience' in any relationship. Obedience yes, but not blind.

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Before this happened, he (my Master) had been acting a bit distant, and he kept saying nothing was wrong, etc etc..but i could sense something is wrong

Just the fact that you are dwelling on this, means that there is something wrong.

quote:

also, he was looking for male slaves, and i had some issues with that as well, since i don't want to include others in our relationship....i don't understand his obsession with tv's/cd's....he constantly reads those kind of stories, and then he contacts them on here and it just makes me wonder

Have you asked him his reasons for looking at male slaves? Did he actually come out and SAY that he was looking to add to the family?

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you see, my lil one is *to understate it* a handful, has always been this way, no one has EVER been able to deal with him

As already stated...consistancy in discipline is what is needed. My nephew is the same way with his mother...and yet, when he stays with me during the summer and holidays, there are absolutly no problems at all. Mainly because he knows that if I tell him to stop doing something, he had better stop or suffer the consequences. And he knows that I follow through.

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didn't say a word, i just sat there and sulked, (i am passive aggressive like that) and he just blew off at me, said he had nothing more to do with my lil one, that i would handle him on my own and that was the last he said to me

Well, no offense, but you wanted your Master to take the responsibility of helping to 'control' your littleone, and then you turn around and sulk when he does? I would have done the same thing.

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So he's behaving strangely

Maybe he feels hurt over your lack of support in the given situation.

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I see role playing that went spiraling out of control.

I would agree with MistressPassion on this one.

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Well, i have to say, i knew that blended families, or step famililes, was difficult for all involved, but i never thought it was this bad.....

I really find offense with this generalization. I married a man who had 3 children from a previous marriage, all living with him. The oldest hated me, the other two could have cared less. And yet, in no way was our road together difficult. I learned alot from the oldest about how I approached him, and he learned alot from me about how he approached me. All situations are workable if you care enough to work through the tough spots.

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i can't stand his ex, which for the record, this isn't something i vocalize or anything like that, i don't ever butt into his relationship regarding his ex and his umentionables

I hated his ex also. Never once said anything bad about her in front of them though. I went out of my way to include her in many FAMILY gatherings that we had.

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it seems as if we were doomed from the beginning and not because we don't love eachother and complete eachother in everyway, but my family has been against him since day one, friends have distanced themselves from me because they feel i don't pay atention to them as much as i use to... his family has also become jealous of the fact that he moved far to be with me and isn't around them as much as he use to be

Sounds to me as if you are letting other people dictate your life.

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RE: And now the end is near .... - 2/5/2006 4:07:42 PM   
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quote:

Instituationalization? That's major stuff and a last resort for the most severe of behavior issues, I would hope. Never underestimate the need for effective parenting, and a stable, loving home for umentionables.

If one understands that many unmentionables act out as a result of feeling insecure and as a result of family situations, steps can be taken to resolve those issues and restore some normalcy. I think in many cases it's the adults that primarily need the help in order preserve emotional health for their unmentionables.

Be well,
Julie


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RE: And now the end is near .... - 2/5/2006 4:37:42 PM   
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You present even more evidence here that you really need to communicate with him to find out what is really going on.


I agree with LadyJulie here.
There seems to be a Huge Gap in communication between all of you.

Personally I would get real in communication with my son and be there in a supportive way, acknowledging you are doing so to your master.
Maybe, when you get to a point where you are understanding and really listening to your son, you can then work more easily with your master/husband.

You state your short person has short people. Does he see his short people?
Don't want to make any assumptions and there are no easy answers here. You need to Communicate(Period).
If you have trouble doing that find someone to help you.


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RE: And now the end is near .... - 2/5/2006 4:44:33 PM   
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TALK TO HIM!!!!

When you agreed to submit to him, it was to submit in your relationship to him. It was not to stand back and have no say in the way your child is raised. Children to not consent to being submissive to a dominant, and your lil one knows YOU are the parent and your Master came into the relationship last. His 'acting out' may be his cry to get mom to take his side sometimes cause he was there first and wants to know he is still your main concern.

Having been in bdsm fo almost 20 years, I can honestly say that I have never seen a case when a dominant stepping into a ready made family and becoming the total authoritarian (usurping the life long parent's authority) has ever created anything but more problems.

Remind your husband that you may have given up your right to have a say in how he handles your relationship; however, your first priority is to your lil one, and he is NOT the childs legal guardian. Let him know that you truly appreciate his efforts to help you 'tame' your lil one, and you want him to continue to be active in your lil one's upbringin. Remind him that as the dominant, he has accepted the responsibility to caring for your needs and traiing..... and as the parent you have the same responsibility to your child. You are co-dominants where your child is concerned, and you should be able to voice concerns over how your child is treated.

I would strongly recommend sitting down with your husband/Master ALONE when the child is not at home or capable of over hearing your conversation. Like I said, let him know how much you appreciate all he has done, and how grateful you are that he has stepped in to take on the role of disciplinarian in the home even where your child is concerned. Then remind him of your resonsisbilities as the woman that gave that child life. Let him know that you do not wish to usurp his authority or create a situation where the child tries to pit one parent against the other because the lil one thinks mom is always going to bail him out. Ask your husband/Master that if he feels he must address a problem with the child immediately hat he does that; however, ask him to please send the child to a bedroom or to do some NORMAL chores or homework and WAIT for his decision on punishment. Then ask him to please come talk to you. Ask him to let you know what the offense is and how he thinks it should be dealt with. If you have a disagreement on the severity, discuss it with him then. You can still throw in a "Master, I respectfully request that lil one be presented with ______ punishment or if you would alter the punishment you have decided on by _____ to allow for ____ that you were not aware of beforehand.

This will ensure that you present a united front, your husband/Master will not feel disrespected or undermined, you will feel like a part of how you child is being brought up, and there are fewer issues to arise to cause the two of you to be fragmented. Team work brings people together as long as they keep the 'team's' best interests at heart and check the egos at the door. Egos are not a luxury you can afford when it comes to raising a child into a responsible respectable adult.

Good luck
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RE: And now the end is near .... - 2/5/2006 5:00:30 PM   
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quote:

One of the things that has strengthened my relationship with my slave is he has NEVER undermined my authority in front of his children. If we disagree we discuss it in private.

When you married your Dom, he accepted the role of a Father figure for your child. That means he has to be able to parent. From what I have read it sounds as though you "castrated" him in front of the child. I don't blame him for being angry. You have thrown the entire power dynamic of the household into the hands of an out of control child.
You need to decide if you are going to raise your children alone or if you are going to be parenting partners. If you are going to undermine Him every time he attempts to discipline your child, get a divorce and live alone.

I have read previous posts stating "your child is more important than your Dom" and other such sentiments. I disagree. In a FAMILY all members are important. So long as there isn't abuse, you should bite your tongue and save your dissent for a private conversation with your Dom (NOT YOUR CHILD).

And BTW.....unles your child is being chained in a closet, being grounded isn't abusive.

If you continue to parent the way you always have.....your child's behavior will not change. You mentioned your child's lack of respect in an earlier post. The "lil one" has learned all he has to do is manipulate the adults in his environment to get his way. (Primarily YOU)

If you want things to change, it's time to parent differently. It will be difficult at first as the "lil one" tries to circumvent the new rules, but eventually things will settle out. One day your child is going to be an adult. For now he/she needs parents.

Putting on my flame retardant corset
Ms Sandi
]Perfect advice in my opinion, so no flame retardant corset necessary as far as I'm concerned.

I also like and fully agreee with LadyJulieAnn's statements as they pertain to your unmentionable:
quote:

Instituationalization? That's major stuff and a last resort for the most severe of behavior issues, I would hope. Never underestimate the need for effective parenting, and a stable, loving home for umentionables.
If one understands that many unmentionables act out as a result of feeling insecure and as a result of family situations, steps can be taken to resolve those issues and restore some normalcy. I think in many cases it's the adults that primarily need the help in order preserve emotional health for their unmentionables.
Julie

As for your Master lusting after male slaves, etc, don't know what to tell you, because I can't imagine how I'd cope with the threat I would feel in that case. M


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