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MissJanice2 -> RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? (5/12/2009 7:46:11 AM)

As long as you keep online in its proper perspective, it is ok, but in my opnion a waste of time.
I started online six years ago, but once I woke up and realized it was a bunch of bull, then I was able to move on.
Some of the folks who use online for their own personal pleasure are very slick and smart.   Just always be aware that they may not be the person they say they are.
 
Best Wishes,
 
Mistress_Jan




KnightofMists -> RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? (5/12/2009 7:46:49 AM)

There is a lot of reasons why 'online' D/s relationships occur.  Are they a legitimate relationships... of course.... ever relationship is legitimate.  However, what they can experience in an 'online' relationship is going to be significantly different than other types of relationships.   In the end, what is fulfilling for the people involved is what is important.




marie2 -> RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? (5/12/2009 7:53:37 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoiJen



Surgeons also practice on cadavers and spend years with doctors over their shoulders to fix the fuck ups. Would you visit an MD who got his degree from an online only school? Would you like to drive next to someone who got their license by reading about how to drive? Are you interested in forming a relationship with someone who's not ever actually been in an adult relationship....they've only read what it's like?


No one is talking about being operated on by a surgeon who has never learned how to do surgery.  An no one is talking about swinging a bullwhip at someone's back because they read about HOW to do it on the net.

The OP, Jen, is about having an online ds relationship, it's not about "can you learn to do a cutting or whipping online". 

quote:

The information on the net is shotty and inconsistent at best. The value of an actual vanilla relationship v. a virtual relationship of any kind isn't equal. Fuckin around on the net isn't going to prepare someone for what it feels like to watch your partner leave during a fight to cool off. Reading about someone else's death won't ever prepare you for a death in your own family. The emotional impact isn't even comparable.

General: As far as I know, the human body functions on actually getting the beverage and consuming it, not someone typing in that they got you a beverage and you pretending to consume it. There is value not just on intent but the follow through. In cases of military deployment from actual service situations, the intent is there and the ability to perform is there...and eventually, the follow through will occur. When dealing with "online only" situations, there is questionable intent and no follow through. These things don't hold the same value for individuals who actually serve or are served.



And they shouldn't hold the "same value", but to someone else, what THEY do holds value and what you do doesn't interest them in the least. 

The assumption that I see in your words is that every person seeks the same type of experience, or that every person should seek the same type of experience.  

It (an online ds affair) becomes very easy to understand  as soon as you (generic) fathom the idea that not everyone desires the same type of relationships and experiences. 
Why bother reading a book if you're never going to meet the author?  You read the book to experience whatever enjoyment you wish to have from reading a book.  Some people don't have a desire to have a face to face relationship in the physical sense.  So what if two people never meet and simply affect each others lives through online communication for as long as it works for them?  So it isn't enough for some (or even most) people, but it's everything to someone who only seeks that type of experience.  

I personally have no desire to be in an online relationship, yet I don't have any problem wrapping my head around how others might enjoy this, the same way you might enjoy a book, a movie, a pen pal, a porn flick, a soap opera, an online rpg or whatever else.   No one is saying that it's comparable or the same thing as what BoiJen does.  It's different, but that doesn't make it invalid.




LadyPact -> RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? (5/12/2009 7:57:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoiJen
Lady Pact it needs to be pointed out that your situation(s) are not what's being talked about directly. Your situation(s) began in "real life" well before deployment of the men in your life. The other thing to note is that they are serving our country. Their service doesn't stop, it just changes focus.

And let's talk about the reality of the situation...I get that it's heart breaking to hear someone you love say "I wish I could do x for you right now" when they are deployed, whether it be service oriented or not. There is emotional impact and the primary basis of that emotional impact is that if they weren't deployed they wouldn't be saying it, they'd be doing it...not typing it to you.

<snipping the part that wasn't addressed to Me>

In cases of military deployment from actual service situations, the intent is there and the ability to perform is there...and eventually, the follow through will occur. When dealing with "online only" situations, there is questionable intent and no follow through. These things don't hold the same value for individuals who actually serve or are served.

boi
Future ruler of the Universe serving MsKitty
Silently plotting the revenge of the swine


Good Morning Boijen.  My regards to MsK.

To begin, I know that you "get it" and are quite supportive of those of us with deployment situations.  I'm not sure if I've mentioned lately how much that is appreciated when I hear that coming from you.  Sweet, though sometimes hot headed person that you are.  (And quite cute when you're doing it.)

You know, the "I wish I could be doing 'x' for you" does suck at times.  Yes, he'd be doing it if he was here.  Believe Me, I'm calling in all kinds of markers when his ass (and the rest of him) get back.  I really do hope the boy will have the ability to sit on the plane for the return flight, but I have My doubts.

On the sucking part, I have to imagine that it's the same for other circumstances where people just can't be together.  Those that want to be, at any rate.




LaTigresse -> RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? (5/12/2009 8:01:09 AM)

Antheia, what you need to understand is that what you describe as service is not service to many of us.

We have a much different view of what that word means. If I were to take the time to create a schedule for you to follow, tell you to do a list of tasks, etc.....that would be me serving you. I get nothing from that, not one little thing.

To me, someone serving me, involves them actually doing something that serves me. Something that makes my life easier. Right now, having someone go pick up some mulch and having it ready for me to put in my flower beds tonight would be service. Organizing the mess my closet/spare bedroom is in would be a service. Scanning the old family photos I've been working on would be a service.

None of the things that I need someone to do to serve me, can be done via remote.(Unless they want to send me a big fat wad of sweaty money)  Therein lies the disconnect between the concept of online "service" versus in person "service". Those of us that want actual physical service, cannot see any value in online service.




BoiJen -> RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? (5/12/2009 8:07:30 AM)

Hell...Lady Pact, he'll be pushing the pilot out of the way telling the pilot he can drive it faster. That or trying to get out so he can push it to go faster. And yeah I get it, maybe not in the same way, but it kills me when T tells me he wishes he could get a hug because he's home sick. I have love for all those who are deployed and have deployed family and friends...that's what happens when you know about their sacrifices.

Back on topic...

The OP specifically mentioned online "only". That's where my replies apply to unless specifically mentioned otherwise. I'm honest...I don't have respect for online only relationships. When the biggest draw someone had to get someone else's attention in an intimate way is that they can use spell check, there's something seriously wrong. I mean it almost sounds like the beginning of a "you might be a redneck if..." type of joke. Spell check and grammar should not be the basis of any relationship.

boi
Future ruler of the Universe serving MsKitty
Silently plotting the revenge of the swine




IrishMist -> RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? (5/12/2009 8:21:56 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

I don't think anyone is saying that online communication is bad. I think what some people can't understand is when it is online ONLY. Do you think you'd have the same feelings for someone if you had never met them and your only interaction is online? With no intention of ever going real time?

For some, yes; the feelings are there. Very deep, very intense, and just as real as if they were standing next to each other.




BoiJen -> RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? (5/12/2009 8:22:47 AM)

Let me put it this way...

Reading about and typing about the emotional "impact" of a serviceman's funeral online and calling it "valid" to someone who was actually there when Taps played and saw the removal and ceremonial folding of the flag and then was the recipient of that flag could easily get someone shot where I come from.

Same range of example. Telling someone who serves that someone else's typing about service is "valid" is just as insulting. These acts purposely done with intimate care and attention to detail...typing about it and imagining it in your head can't even begin to fathom to actuality of it. No it's not a valid relationship. It's an unhealthy trait of individual isolationism promoted by excessive use of the internet and people being too worried about being politically correct rather than being concerned enough to tell someone they're participating in unhealthy behavior.

On the physiological side of this...the chemicals and process of the brain are completely different for when performing a task and participating in a relationship than from reading or writing about these things.

boi
Future ruler of the Universe serving MsKitty
Silently plotting the revenge of the swine
And no, I'm not angry or even mad...I'm just very clear about the actuality of this.




porcelaine -> RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? (5/12/2009 8:27:12 AM)

for some online based relationships fill a void or provide a supplement of sorts that cannot occur real time. others use this medium as a springboard for relationship development instead. lastly, there are some that are incapable of maintaining an emotional attachment face to face and the the anonymity the internet offers masks this to some degree. of course other factors may contribute to a couple's need to be apart and communication is enhanced with today's technology.

i accept and respect that we each have a choice in how we choose to engage and relate. while i can understand online relationships to a point, it is not something i would want to maintain for a long period of time without frequent opportunities to meet. the mental element of the lifestyle would provide a connection that could easily be manipulated if the person was less than honest. for that reason alone and the myriad of others that fill my inbox each day, i find that internet based relationships are not suitable for my purposes.

porcelaine




IrishMist -> RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? (5/12/2009 8:31:08 AM)

I have to wonder BoiJen why you take such offense at those who prefer online only relationships.

You don't have to live their life.
It, in no way, affects you...except for the fact that you disdain others for their right to happiness.

That neck of yours must get sore quite a bit; having to always look down your nose at others.




ranja -> RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? (5/12/2009 8:31:11 AM)

Sigh..didn't i tell you to go and play with your toys...or is that exactly what you are doing? with yer little fingers on yer keyboard?

Online or cyber is not suitable for people with narrow minds and little imagination.
And no you can not pour someone a drink or suck someone off whilst looking at your monitor...that is not what it is about...it is about a mind trip...some Dominants do not need a slave to fill their glass...they need imput on a totally different level...some slaves like it when onother gets to see what is in their mind there are more ways to strip a soul bare than to lay on the floor and say do what you want to me Mistress i am your worm...use me for tentacle rape

And to say cyber is ok for people who also do real but not for people who do not do realtime is just plain silly (and how do know what else they do or might do in future anyway)

I see from your picture (if that is you) that you like us to believe that you are a sweet cutie pie and i have to say i have noticed recently that there seem to be more sweet cutie pies on this site who seem to think they have the knowledge about the one and only twue way to do the Master and slave thing...I say to you: dream on or rather wake up....oh who cares?




BoiJen -> RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? (5/12/2009 8:37:30 AM)

My reading comprehension must be down...I am so confused about that last post.

boi
Future ruler of the Universe serving MsKitty
Silently plotting the revenge of the swine...
and apparently a "sweet cutie pie"...whatever that is




LadyPact -> RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? (5/12/2009 8:41:17 AM)

Excuse Me.

Yes, the picture is of boijen.  Yes, she is damn cute, and quite competent.  Both as an service individual and as a top.  I've had the good fortune to meet her and the lovely MsK.  They are fine folks.

This is one of those wonderful opportunities to prove a point about the difference between online and in the flesh, because had someone spoke to My sub, or the sub of anyone in My favor in the r/t community in such a way, there'd be no mod concern and the verbal reply would be very much to your discontent.

ETA if by "toys" you happen to mean single tails, I'm pretty sure the online thing wouldn't match that, either.




ranja -> RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? (5/12/2009 8:41:57 AM)

I know, don't worry luvvie, you might get it some day...then again....




MisterP61 -> RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? (5/12/2009 8:43:42 AM)

OK.... I must say this and then I am done on this subject.  There is a reason why I serve in the Army for 14 years now.  It is so that people today and more importantly, tomorrow have their rights to their opinions.  What I take offense to is the personal attacks that go on just because one does not agree with the other.  There are way to fucking many people in this world who want to kill us for no other reason then that we are Americans.  Agree to disagree. leave it at that.  I don't agree with everyone's posts, and I seldom see a reason to personally attack them for not seeing it My way.... if you don't move on.

MrP




IrishMist -> RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? (5/12/2009 8:44:53 AM)

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Geesh

why can't people just be happy for people; no matter which way that happiness is attained.

Does it really matter so much, to a person behind a computer screen, whether or not another person (behind a computer screen ) accepts/agrees with your own way of living?




ranja -> RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? (5/12/2009 8:49:07 AM)

LadyPact, with repect...you might check how boiJen 'spoke' to me first before you judge me.

I have no issues with how cute he is, and he is, no doubt about that, or how fine he and his Lady are in real life...my issue is with him dissin cyber, something i personally like doing...and as you feel the temperature rising...is this real?




BoiJen -> RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? (5/12/2009 8:51:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

ETA if by "toys" you happen to mean single tails, I'm pretty sure the online thing wouldn't match that, either.



Off Topic:

OH! I got a new guy I'm ordering from as well...super great quality nylon at the best prices on the market and the majority of his whips are made for sport cracking competitions, to give you an idea about the quality. Local guy here and super cool.

boi




marie2 -> RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? (5/12/2009 8:51:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoiJen

Let me put it this way...

Reading about and typing about the emotional "impact" of a serviceman's funeral online and calling it "valid" to someone who was actually there when Taps played and saw the removal and ceremonial folding of the flag and then was the recipient of that flag could easily get someone shot where I come from.

Same range of example. Telling someone who serves that someone else's typing about service is "valid" is just as insulting. These acts purposely done with intimate care and attention to detail...typing about it and imagining it in your head can't even begin to fathom to actuality of it. No it's not a valid relationship. It's an unhealthy trait of individual isolationism promoted by excessive use of the internet and people being too worried about being politically correct rather than being concerned enough to tell someone they're participating in unhealthy behavior.

On the physiological side of this...the chemicals and process of the brain are completely different for when performing a task and participating in a relationship than from reading or writing about these things.

boi
Future ruler of the Universe serving MsKitty
Silently plotting the revenge of the swine
And no, I'm not angry or even mad...I'm just very clear about the actuality of this.




By your own argument, what you've just typed here has no value because it took place online and amongst many people you'll never meet.  





BoiJen -> RE: "Online" D/s ... how do you feel about it? (5/12/2009 8:58:03 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: marie2


By your own argument, what you've just typed here has no value because it took place online and amongst many people you'll never meet.  




Now you're catching on. I don't expect anyone to find my arguments and opinions valid until they come face to face with me. It's particularly proven by Lady Pact has responded. She's met me and the Ma'am and we adore her and her family (though we haven't met MrP we totally respect and send our love that way everytime they come up in our heads) and this is because actual interaction has occurred. Attachment begins in a real way when people meet. There is a chemical difference in how people's bodies respond when dealing with individuals they know and when typing about people online for a reason.

People weren't designed mentally and emotionally to have only online interactions. Our bodies tell us this everytime. Research on stress responses in the body actually prove this.

boi
Future ruler of the Universe serving MsKitty
Silently plotting the revenge of the swine




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