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RE: waterboarding - 5/14/2009 3:29:39 AM

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P.S. to BoiJen, I do thank you for your post regarding what you learned regarding the methods and precautions that are taken. My point is simply that I don't believe the majority of people would have taken the time to learn what you did before trying it.

And what makes you think that most people are that stupid? You just got done writing about how bad BDSMers look to the rest of the world, yet you're basically saying that you believe most of us aren't smart enough to prepare first. Do you see boijen as an exception?

What makes you think everything is about you personally?? She (LafayetteLady) never said most of "us" you are assuming with that statement and you do know what they say about people who have a bad habit of assuming. Then again..............if the shoe fits

If you actually read the statement you've quoted, I said "people" and "most of us" refering to bdsmers or a generic "us" as in people. No where does that imply that it's all about me, personally.

And Lafayette lady did indeed say that she believed the "majority of people" would not bother to gather the info first.

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RE: waterboarding - 5/14/2009 3:40:22 AM

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Ummm.. people's hearts fail from the stress of it. People's lungs fill with water and the interrogators sometimes don't get it out quickly enough - then they drown. This is not about being tough. This is a technique that is classified as a really bad, and possibly lethal form of torture by everyone except Bush and Cheney.

This is not a matter of making little pontifications over about toughness or kink.

The shallow narcissism gets to be a little much.

Perhaps there are some who think being broken on a wheel is hot too. They too are called sick, deranged morons.

I am simply appalled that anyone could respond to this post with anything other than disgust.

You could have simply avoided the thread if you feel so strongly about it. I share your sentiment (that it's not something I would personally enjoy and many others would regret trying) but I don't share your desire to rule which topics can be discussed and which we should feel morally disgusted by. That is the edge to edge play i.e. some play with knives, some seem to enjoy asphyxiation, some like to stick needles through themselves. There is always risk no matter how much you control those risks there is always residual risk i.e. did nobody ever pick up a serious infection from a hospital even though that is a clinical environment supposedly? I don’t like the theme it’s in poor taste but then there are plenty of other kinks that started in bad taste, who am I to deplore any of those? Slavery etc?

Moralisers ha.

Raechard, I also agree this topic is in extremely poor taste. QuixoticErrant does have just as much right to an opinion however impassioned as every else who has posted here.

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If you had been here when the thread originated, QuixoticErrant was here calling people "Idiots" and "morons". Those posts were pulled shortly thereafter. So instead of happening along, pages later and taking things out of context, you may want to approach people and ask for clarity before scolding all of us and coming in here looking for a fight because you've got a personal problem with someone else's kink.

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RE: waterboarding - 5/14/2009 3:47:10 AM

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Strongly suggests you reread the question.... i highlited it for you.. just so there is not a misunderstanding you can fake a lot of things as you point out ...however drowning im quite sure is a ONE shot deal.

Water boarding is waterboarding drowning = dead am i getting thru to you?

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Dead, dead? Or just "simulated dead". Is that like "mostly dead"?
I've got to agree here. Drowning is an "all dead" proposition. the other "simulations" in which people participate may have unintended consequences, but in most cases "DEATH" is not at the top of the list for those consequences.
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I was laffing as i was reading your post and Then.... marie post AKA you fake drowning like you fake rape.... pips in with glad we got dead cleared up ... Classic just fucking Classic which made me laff even harder. I do enjoi the boards.

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What's classic here, is you playing off of another poster in order to take a sarcastic jab, instead of directly addressing my response to you and discussing the actual content of that response

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RE: waterboarding - 5/14/2009 4:31:50 AM

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Strongly suggests you reread the question.... i highlited it for you.. just so there is not a misunderstanding you can fake a lot of things as you point out ...however drowning im quite sure is a ONE shot deal.

Water boarding is waterboarding drowning = dead am i getting thru to you?

BadOne

Dead, dead? Or just "simulated dead". Is that like "mostly dead"?
I've got to agree here. Drowning is an "all dead" proposition. the other "simulations" in which people participate may have unintended consequences, but in most cases "DEATH" is not at the top of the list for those consequences.
j

I was laffing as i was reading your post and Then.... marie post AKA you fake drowning like you fake rape.... pips in with glad we got dead cleared up ... Classic just fucking Classic which made me laff even harder. I do enjoi the boards.

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Life suxx without the occasional comic relief, eh?
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RE: waterboarding - 5/14/2009 5:54:02 AM

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Would you tell someone to assess the risk prior to committing murder because it isn't your place to tell them otherwise? If you saw someone beating a child at the local supermarket, would you take the position that is "isn't your place" to stop them and protect the innocent? I don't think that you would. But yet you would tell two grown adults who may be consumed with excitement over a particular fantasy, "go ahead, read about it, and if you think it is a good idea, then go for it." Someone thinks that it is a good idea to commit suicide because they are depressed, you tell them to go for it?

I would definitely tell two adults to read about it and do it at there own risk, I cannot think of better advice then that. As to the line you reference crossing, Society already drew that line, what we are doing is sick and wrong, within that context I would never presume to judge the behind closed doors behavior of two sane consenting adults.

The attempted analogies you reference, including another post involving abuse of children and the passivity of Christian German during World War II are examples of a perspective gyroscope gone flying off to the outer limits of reason and a rescuer mentality gone sadly amuck.

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RE: waterboarding - 5/14/2009 8:30:45 AM

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If you had been here when the thread originated, QuixoticErrant was here calling people "Idiots" and "morons". Those posts were pulled shortly thereafter. So instead of happening along, pages later and taking things out of context, you may want to approach people and ask for clarity before scolding all of us and coming in here looking for a fight because you've got a personal problem with someone else's kink.

Who is "all of us" you?? sigh..................there you go again assuming. So any one who has a an opinion different from yours or who challenges you is "looking for a fight"? Come on marie that's a bit childish. Yes, QuixoticErrant does have a right to say what he thinks just as you do unfortunately. The only people I addressed were you and Raechard and no clarification needs to be made on either of those posts, that is unless you didn't understand them?

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RE: waterboarding - 5/14/2009 8:37:57 AM

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Strongly suggests you reread the question.... i highlited it for you.. just so there is not a misunderstanding you can fake a lot of things as you point out ...however drowning im quite sure is a ONE shot deal.

Water boarding is waterboarding    drowning = dead am i getting thru to you?

BadOne

Dead, dead? Or just "simulated dead". Is that like "mostly dead"?
I've got to agree here. Drowning is an "all dead" proposition. the other "simulations" in which people participate may have unintended consequences, but in most cases "DEATH" is not at the top of the list for those consequences.
j

I was laffing as i was reading your post and Then.... marie post AKA you fake drowning like you fake rape.... pips in with glad we got dead cleared up ...   Classic just fucking Classic which made me laff even harder. I do enjoi the boards.

BadOne

What's classic here, is you playing off of another poster in order to take a sarcastic jab, instead of directly addressing my response to you and discussing the actual content of that response

Actually I was replying to two post at the same time. Yep I'm talented like that. well see once you agreed that you can't fake drowning cuz yer dead there was not much to comment on. Considers this topic buried

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