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RE: when does a mistress go to far? - 2/10/2006 3:47:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can not believe I have seen supposed "Dommes" and "Mistresses" and the like in here saying "well I would have done the same thing, so that makes it right"

No it bloody does not make it right. It means that you do not deserve to be a Mistress any more than this lady does.

The number ONE creed in this damn lifestyle is safe, sane and consensual. Not "I can do anything I like because they are My bitch". It is people like you who screw it up for everyone else. People like you should not have a sub or a slave.

The bottom line here. This is all about trust. This is all about respect. If you break your sub or slave, you will not have one anymore. You have destroyed the trust they had in you. Your MANDATE is to look out for their best interest in all aspects of their life by the very definition of the lifestyle. If you can not do that, get out of the lifestyle because you do not belong.

Just because this man agreed to submit is not an open invitation for RAPE damnit. Rape is against the Law, and you go to jail for it. Get with the program and give your head a shake. If this gets out to the public the whole lifestyle takes a hit because of some wannabe.

Even with the guy saying "No, I did not want this. I was abused" here are some self righteous people going "you brought this on yourselves" and other's questioning whether he in fact did want it. What ever happened to the trust? What ever happened to the creed? Or is that all a bunch of BS that gets thrown out the windows when we feel like stoning someone. These people have no right being in BDSM. NOBODY brings abuse and RAPE on themselves. They might make themselves more susceptible to it, but there is NO excuse. Forcing the guy to learn dominance from the submissive (or abusive is more like it) side is a crock. That man needed to make the choice for himself, and not have it forced on him by a wannabe mistress and two sexually deprived men.

Holy crap, I can not believe I read all that. It disgusts Me.

OP, for whatever it is worth, you did the right thing by fleeing. Fortunately we are not all losers, abusers and rapists like that. Those are the wannabes. Avoid them. They will only hurt you more.

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RE: when does a mistress go to far? - 2/10/2006 4:29:57 PM   
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...he's struggling with understanding that...he was rock hard and got off a number of



No he said THEY got off a number of times, he didn't say anything about getting off himself

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RE: when does a mistress go to far? - 2/10/2006 4:48:52 PM   
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Hmmm, I'm a little taken aback by some of the posts here. Okay granted the OP was naive, and admittedly inexperienced. The Domme knew that, and still neglected to teach him anyway of communicating without a safe word. My view is if your going to be a Dom, Domme, you are the one with a greater responsibility than the sub. Because you are making decisions for them. This Domme knew he had been abused by men, then had him gangbanged by two men? This Domme knew he didn't know what being collared meant, yet didn't teach him anything at all, and took him as slave. My view this Domme, if the OP is telling the full story, belongs in jail. Really call your local Police department, and see how well, the dommes arguments stand up.

So, I guess some believe a domme, can just accept a new slave, and not make sure they understand what position they are taking, then take one of the most dramatic experiences in there past and inflict it upon them within a couple weeks. Gag them when the only thing that's been explained is a safe word. Oh on top of it, not even gone over the hard limits a person has might be. Yeah, that's a good domme. If this was a man doing this to a woman, he'd be in jail for rape.

hmmm, okay.

And someone brought up that just because a guy wants to fuck a guy, means he should be willing to be fucked. That is absurd, and completely off-base. So, if I like my balls kicked by guys, I should assume they'll want theres kicked as well. If I like to be choked during sex, that means my parnter must be choked? If a slave likes to lick a Dommes pussy, does that mean the Domme must suck his dick. No, is the answer to all those one sided non-sexually equal relationships. Wanting to fuck a guy, doesn't mean you want to be fucked. If that's the logic, well, all the dommes or doms on here, are due for a few years of pain and submission.

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In reading some of these posts, i was thinking along these lines. i can only speak from the experience i know, from my own Master. He has put me through some extreme situations but NEVER without being completely sure he had prepared me adequately for them. Even if something has been sprung on me by surprise....there had been enough prior explorations of my mind, thoughts, feelings that he was confident i would be able to handle it. What happened to the creed of not putting more on your submissive than he/she can handle (i'm not really sure there is such a creed; i made that up).

Yes yes yes, one who claims to be slave to Master or Mistress has then consented to serve in any form Master or Mistress deems...but what Dominant collars a slave after just a few days?? And what Dominant would push a situation which has proven to be emotionally traumatic on one's past? These are the questions that come to me as i read. It seems rather irresponsible to me.

If i may indulge (since i am on a roll now)....for example, i was belt-whipped regularly as a child. Not fun. Very traumatic. When i begged my Master to own me, he knew this history. Did it prevent him from belting me? No. HOWEVER, there was a lot of time and many discussions PRIOR to my first belting....about the difference between childhood abuse and receiving what my Master doles to me...about understanding he is safe, at all times. Lots of time was spent exploring my brain on the subject of beltings, and when he deemed it was time for me to face that fear, he did it appropriately (in my humble opinion), introducing the belt to me by way of having me kiss it, smell it, love it....before he ever struck me with it. Damn, if he had just pulled that baby out and whacked me without preparing me, i would have been institutionalized (okay that's an exaggeration). That would have had nothing to do with my submission and everything to do with being traumatized.



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RE: when does a mistress go to far? - 2/10/2006 4:57:14 PM   
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so he wanted to dom some of her male slaves and she told her he has a price to pay?he was a new person and becasue of this he got what he need . your opion is so tainted sad for anyone new then, he need that is see in your opinion? well i will always write when i see something that is wrong not to bust you chop i do not care butot save another newbie from that crazy cruel things people think is right so what so what a price is gang raped and ga that is what it was. i did not see anywhere in that psot that he knew this was about to happen and he knew now where did it say it, so hwat she told him he had a price to pay that could had meant a spanking, or a caning etc. what right does anyone have to gang raped someone. if you or i ask to domme another slaves does this mean we should be treated cruel and hurt no hell no this is something that shows me there is little feeling for male slaves i have two i would never let anyone hurt them. he came to this to us to ask if we thought it was okay? he is udnder the impression that this is normal for dommes to mistreat our slaves in a manner which is not " all dommes " i do not treat anyone this way slave or not . but you think it was ok? is this really what you think? can you see that he was hurt did he say oh i had a great time?even in the bdsm world this is not a damn hot time did you see him tied did he have the chance to move his hands how do you know this not even in the hotest session would i call this a hot time i would had throw up but i guess you have to be a sadist to enjoy this not harm meant to the good sadist =,but hot time do not make me laugh or scarem lol wow you it , no no no this sounds a side to me i know but i came across in some of the smaller chat rooms where they act silly 90% of the time and show no respect for the men. i find from many of the answer some of the domme feel he need this to prove something his willingness to be used. you may compare my writing notes to his it does not matter it is raped the damage done but this woman is far reaching i did not mean to scream at you but when i see a wrong that needs to be right, it should be. i think she is a sick woman oh my slave will do anything i say but would i have them raped a defenseless man or woman no i would not and i hope i have train them to be human and say no to things they know that would be so wrong, another thing i never seen this reaction from the master or gorean they would never let anyone raped they lowest slave who is undertheir protection. this say a great deal why do we as domme take it so far, this woman i believe hates men. i hope the master read this i want to say what they have to say. remember i never read this in their post i think they would find that person and do some harm if someone tie their slave up and gang her,you do not see him as a victim i hope tp god you never put in a sudden dangerous postion and have no where to run i am shock so shock this manis a victim of the highest, domme can do what they will with slaves and train them but with they are so brainless to follow what a unstable domme may say then they will answer to another power the law thiswhat you said reminds me of murders and fools who follow them "oh i was following orders" yes there wassom infamous for that they never live that down i wonder mmmm so many of those runnning around saying i just follow orders think of it. i want to thank those dommes who understand this was wrong ga you have you own opoinion and thank you for writing back


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RE: when does a mistress go to far? - 2/10/2006 5:39:56 PM   
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...he's struggling with understanding that...he was rock hard and got off a number of

No he said THEY got off a number of times, he didn't say anything about getting off himself


Thanks Feline, I read that last night and realised where I had previously read it wrong. One thing I am not clear of though was it oral sex that happened or anal penetration as well?

However, with more information coming to light, like I said earlier, I'm happy to change my stance..and the last post from SimplyV talks of even further bizarre events occuring, seems a messed up situation all round...and Knight2be you have my condolences.

But I still stand by what I previously said re this been something I would do with a slave...perhaps not with a sub like Knight had I known his history...and did say in this instance this woman went to far for him...but the scene to me, under favourable circumstances is incredibly hot...and normal...hence my commenting on this in response to the cries of how disgusting and not normal that were being bandied about.

There are many of us doms who practice safe, sane, edgy and consensual play, and we tend to get a little antsy when people who would never engage in wiiwd telling us we are unsafe, insane, and non-consensual when it is far from our reality.

Knight2be, you have two choices, inform the authorities or don't inform the authorities. Good luck.

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RE: when does a mistress go to far? - 2/10/2006 8:05:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you were gagged how did you engage in oral sex in the first place? Is this just a fantasy you made up?First you met Her and a month later you were collared? What does being collared mean to you? Wasn't this kinda fast?

Second, what did you think She meant when She told you you would have to pay the price? She knew you obviously didn't mind having gay sex as you instigated the idea in the first place and if you were giving oral sex I cannot believe there was no way you could say "Not just No but Hell No!!! Code Word!!!"

I think She gave you exactly what you asked to do to Her slaves then when your fantasy came true you got scared and ran.

That must have been some awesome oral sex if you got both of them off several times. What was the Domme doing during all this? Did you get off as well.


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RE: when does a mistress go to far? - 2/11/2006 2:58:24 AM   
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this is something different no it was just plain wrong if he were to dominant the male did it mean he too would raped him and he did say he could not move no safe word could be used and it broke it off, just becase he wanted to doimnant a male does not mean let take you what would you have done in your years early years would you had known all you know now no one does we all learn but a learning experince is not rape. this is not how you learn my dear never. when this happen so many are saying oh " you should had know" well the old lady 80 years old should she had know the nut would raped her or the child going to this is something that man will not report to the police this man is hurting not only emotionally but ,more important the harm done to him that injure him i do not understand some of the thinking that isgoing on i respect each and everyone opinion here but it is a shock for me to hear and see the words written by so many we all remember whne we first learn how we were and how we all wanted someone who would be a safe person for us and you man know how scary it is not to find that right domme who will train you with a strcit firm hand but loving get you what you need, do anyone of you rmember you first time out then think of him as that it is only just a moment to remember. or did these things happen to you and you feel nothing for him as a fellow submissive male ? i tell my son always a learning experince is not one where harm is done to another .

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RE: when does a mistress go to far? - 2/11/2006 3:51:36 AM   
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i am so glad you put it where it needs to go in the damn trash your so right this woman was a wannbe dommes and must sadist are fine that have thier things they do but this was the worst thing i have heard since a frined of mine who just began to explore his submissive side he ran into who know that same woman? but she put him and and one day tie him so tight he could not move at all then she raped him with objects for some time, he is now and he was abuse as a child this as turn tthis weet wondeful man in a basket case he can not even speak of sex he shoved thing into him injure him and left him hoping and praying he would not die in this place of her. now everyone not all thank god. but i have worked with him and he remember this for some long, now did he ask for this becase he trust her? did he need this becase he was willing to submit to a so called domme? or is it like all of the many say ohhhh it was hot as one of the dommes said or he know what he was getting ohhhhhh how great, the ones who said he needed that your all sick i may have this taken off i am not sure but you wrong to say this to someone who comes to us as the leaders and the ones who will help give to them they ask us things they have no where else to go but here even i ask questions and i did get a sillly asnwer from one person but it is ok but kevin i am so happy you wrote you post it is wonerful to see someone who know this is rape not a game to teach someone i can not believe myself kevin some of the answer i read that were given to this poor man and he need answer and asked for help they many who are supposed tto know it all laughed and made joke. i am in shock but they will not change how they think they willl always said knight got what he deserved and no one can change their minds, this is how i see it kevin he wanted to dom males right now let me she we as domme want to dominant males so ok mm oh right some of the dommes wish to go to see a male they will dominant but instead of the male the wanted we have two beefy males and oh so you want to domme a male ok you got i will tie you down and this is how you will learn your lesson let rape that domme b and makes sure she learns this is a lesson for her and she will learn so much from us"RAPING HER ASS AND ALL OTHER PLACES" ladies what word how does that sound to you this is how knight felt watch out there are males who would want nothing more then to get you alone lol see it works both ways and all of the males here will remember how horrblie you were to knight


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mons kevin thank you so i am glad someone step up and scream at this

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RE: when does a mistress go to far? - 2/11/2006 3:53:59 AM   
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i'm having a hard time with a couple of these concepts....first of all, and i didn't think of this before, but as artglfr said...how did they orally rape him if he was gagged? Something doesn't add up there. From the very beginning, i've thought that all this is was nothing more than stroke material for the OP to get his rocks off...it wouldn't be the first time someone posted something like this for that purpose, and it surely won't be the last.

Secondly, i have a problem with this so-called newbie, with a bad personal history of sex with men, asking his Mistress if he could dominate and screw her other slaves. Let's say for one second, this is a real post, not some made up fantasy of a wanker. Common sense says that if You haven't already told this Mistress your history, and you are asking to sex one of her other men, then there's no reason to think that sex with men would be a limit for you...hell, you've already asked for it, just not from the perspective you thought.

There seems to be some sort of disconnect here...when others make valide points, suddenly there's an adjustment to the original post's meaning...oh yes, i was gagged, that's why i couldn't object...but you said you were forced to give oral sex...how did that happen with a gag in your mouth?

Inquiring minds want to know.


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RE: when does a mistress go to far? - 2/11/2006 5:33:19 AM   
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I think you need to assess your thinking. NO one should EVER urge anyone to go out and RAPE a person
According to you anyone who doesn't get on your bandwagon and say "poor poor knight" is Wrong and deserves getting FLAMED by you.

How could ANYONE ever say...

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i will tie you down and this is how you will learn your lesson let rape that domme b and makes sure she learns this is a lesson for her and she will learn so much from us"RAPING HER ASS AND ALL OTHER PLACES" ladies what word how does that sound to you this is how knight felt watch out there are males who would want nothing more then to get you alone lol see it works both ways and all of the males here will remember how horrblie you were to knight


Think you may have a bit of hostility?

Have you actually read the original post?

The person was GAGGED yet had ORAL sex many times. To me oral sex involves mouth to genital so unless they were performing oral sex on him, in which case what is he complaining about, his mouth had to be OPEN. Most people SPEAK with their mouth open USE your Code Word.

If he was so freaked out about sex with men inthe first place ...Why did he ask the Dom for it.

I am sorry if he had a bad experience. I do not feel anyone should be collared that soon(always possible exceptions) and of course I never want anyone to get raped apparently unlike you.

I still wonder if this event occured and I think this is all I am going to say so feel free "MONS" if you are a person, to FLAME away at everyone who doesn't totally agree with you. With your healthy attitude I will probably be seeing you on the news very soon.

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RE: when does a mistress go to far? - 2/11/2006 6:38:40 AM   
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mons,

i'm having a hard time with a couple of these concepts....first of all, and i didn't think of this before, but as artglfr said...how did they orally rape him if he was gagged? Something doesn't add up there. From the very beginning, i've thought that all this is was nothing more than stroke material for the OP to get his rocks off...it wouldn't be the first time someone posted something like this for that purpose, and it surely won't be the last.

Secondly, i have a problem with this so-called newbie, with a bad personal history of sex with men, asking his Mistress if he could dominate and screw her other slaves. Let's say for one second, this is a real post, not some made up fantasy of a wanker. Common sense says that if You haven't already told this Mistress your history, and you are asking to sex one of her other men, then there's no reason to think that sex with men would be a limit for you...hell, you've already asked for it, just not from the perspective you thought.

There seems to be some sort of disconnect here...when others make valide points, suddenly there's an adjustment to the original post's meaning...oh yes, i was gagged, that's why i couldn't object...but you said you were forced to give oral sex...how did that happen with a gag in your mouth?

Inquiring minds want to know.


sting


The OP said the men had oral sex with him -- he didn't say who did which but given the gagged situation clearly they performed oral on him. Guess what? Any type of sex that you don't and don't consent to can be traumatic and can be an assault.

Secondly wanting to penetrate someone is not the same as wanting to be penetrated; wanting to top is not the same as wanting to bottom.

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RE: when does a mistress go to far? - 2/11/2006 6:39:15 AM   
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My opinion is that the actions carried out by this Domina were perfectly all right in the context of a genuine Mistress/slave relationship. A slave gives up all control and all self-determination and puts it in the hands of his Mistress.

But the crucial word there is 'genuine'. A Mistress/slave relationship comes about as the culmination of a long period of interaction between the two, and cannot happen until the Mistress knows all the relevant aspects of her potential slave, and the slave knows his Mistress well enough to have complete trust in her.

In this case the 'slave' wasn't aware of this, and was guilty of considerable foolishness.

The Mistress chose to ignore it, and was guilty of a crime.

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RE: when does a mistress go to far? - 2/11/2006 7:30:28 AM   
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This is what I have been trying to point out. When I said it sounded "hot" I was talking about the original post, not the subsequent postings. There has been MUCH said after the original post that has shown this whole situation to be suspect.

Mons, I am going to stop responding to you. You sound too angry about this whole thing as if it happened to you. It didnt. You were not there, you don't know how it happened other than what the OP has said. You have valid points, but most of your comments sound like something I would hear from my vanilla sister.

Everyone keeps talking about this Mistress like she was a lunatic. SHE has not posted. SHE has not had her say in what REALLY happened. There are three sides to every story, there is his, hers and the cold hard truth. Didnt we all learn something from the other threads where the sub posted on one board and the Mistress posted on the other and they both had two separate versions of the same story?

V- I dont mean to be rude, but why are you now "talking" for Knight? Why do we have to hear more and more each time you post. You said Knight drove past the Mistress' house? Why? You say out of curiousity. What for? You say the two slaves went to him and now want to be his buddy and live with him and Knight then goes by the house and sees one of them in the front window? This whole story reeks of falsehood. And where were you when this whole thing happened? You seem to be here now for him, talking for him, defending him, knowing exactly what happened, but where were you prior to this incident taking place, if he is such a good friend to you, shouldnt you have known about his new Mistress?



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RE: when does a mistress go to far? - 2/11/2006 9:45:23 AM   
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Ok, I am coming rather late to this thread, but do wish to contribute.

My opinion is that the actions carried out by this Domina were perfectly all right in the context of a genuine Mistress/slave relationship. A slave gives up all control and all self-determination and puts it in the hands of his Mistress.

But the crucial word there is 'genuine'. A Mistress/slave relationship comes about as the culmination of a long period of interaction between the two, and cannot happen until the Mistress knows all the relevant aspects of her potential slave, and the slave knows his Mistress well enough to have complete trust in her.

In this case the 'slave' wasn't aware of this, and was guilty of considerable foolishness.

The Mistress chose to ignore it, and was guilty of a crime.


i agree with this completely.

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RE: when does a mistress go to far? - 2/11/2006 12:33:14 PM   
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20/20 vision if ever I saw it.

I still kind of like what Jasmyn said, though, that if you want to run with the dogs, you can't piss like a puppy.

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RE: when does a mistress go to far? - 2/11/2006 12:36:47 PM   
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RE: when does a mistress go to far? - 2/11/2006 1:35:41 PM   
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20/20 vision if ever I saw it.

I still kind of like what Jasmyn said, though, that if you want to run with the dogs, you can't piss like a puppy.


Yes but just a question - would you take a new slave and take him/her to an extreme, right off the bat? Everyone is at a different level in their journey - some can handle extremes, others are still being trained for extremes. i don't need to say that slavery is not cookie-cutter. Everyone responds differently to different situations. That is why it is so crucial for a Master/Mistress to know the emotional tolerance levels of his/her slave......no?

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RE: when does a mistress go to far? - 2/12/2006 3:15:27 AM   
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i do not remember and i did reread knights post him saying he was gagged if it does say this please post the quote now i still stand by what i think, she had not right to raped him and it is raped no matter how you lookat it. the way you want is to see him having a hell of a time, whatever reason he could not answer will well not know he never did se he got off. your thinking is a sorrow to the bdsm community it show a lost sesne of care and concern for you fellow submissives.

that is all for now?

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RE: when does a mistress go to far? - 2/12/2006 3:29:03 AM   
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you mistaken i did not want anyone to agree with me. but art i was shock that so many took a stand that he desreve this and it was a joke you wrote somethnig that shock me too you made it like he enjoy himself? right, i am a domme who respect all males domme's gorean and master i read many post not once have i heard pf the master or gorean say they would think it is a learning experince to have one of the new slave raped to teach him a lesson. now you said i a a flame please tell me what that means no i am not new but hey i alwasy willing to learn. now someone have mix the two things i said up i know a man wo was raped in that manner but it was one domme who tie him so he could not get away, that was a different man, now do i really want all to listen to me no but do i expect the bdsm folks to see that kight was abused and it was not joke yes now agree but just understand what happen. maybe your in a mind set that this is something you would care for i do not know i do not know you well enough to see what you think. but i will stand by what i say this was raped and he for whatever reason could not answer. it does not what we all want to think but it mater that this man wrote for help and many of us did nothing butmake fun and joke about it,now art i hope this esplain how my view is and what i hold dear to me safe and sane consenaul sex that is all


with care

mons

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RE: when does a mistress go to far? - 2/12/2006 3:55:56 AM   
mons


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i just read the last part of your post no need to attack me wow why would i be on the news? what a strange thing to say can you explain that one to me? now i am now here to make enemies i enjoy and have a great deal of learning expernice reading and asnwering the many post. no i am not angry at anyone person or any person at all. i express my thoughts as everyone else did you go after anyone else who was screaming mad about this? no you come to the one you think will become angry and just be mad at you, i am not mad but i am upset of now no one could tell that this took this man some time to write this, now i have seen many post and letter that have been written to me and that person was telling me somethng that was just to get a thrill and or shock me. i can tell you this art i know the difference and i feel he is real. i wrote the quote about te dommes to show that this can happen to anyone there are men who fake they ae submissive and they try to hurt many dommes we all know and have talk about it with each the ones i knwo that are not from this site. now i do not want anyone domme oh yes i am a domme but i would not want this to happen to anyone ever again, i was making a point that was it oh art if you knew me the way you think you do you would see and know i am never angry as a domme i have control over my emotions is it s given. this way i can say i never ever lose it with a submissves ok art now take care

with wish well

mons

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