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RE: public humiliation? - 5/29/2009 8:30:58 AM   
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Thats the thing, nowt is normal. It really gets on my tits that people who dont have a relationship that they openly associate with power dynamics they call it sick or whatever.

I mean I get it its easy for us we grow up with 'normality' around us, so we may understand the issues and drama that people in 'normal' relationships feel but when they say 'oh i just couldnt be in a relationship like that, its really gross' I want to scream 'yeah well I couldnt be in a relationship like yours you boring f'cker'

The more we hide in the corners and have this obsession with it being dark and different and all that crap the more people feel vindicated about calling us freaks. Seriously the idea of crying because your boyfriend hasnt text you for two hours, that much weirder than wearing a lead in public :P

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RE: public humiliation? - 5/29/2009 8:32:20 AM   
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A successful happy relationship in bdsm doesn't give you the right to piss people off or offend them by making them witness to stuff they don't consent to.


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Thats not the impression i got from the post i replied to. I got the impression you were saying fuck what anyone else thinks or feels.
Seeing you walk your slave on a leash whilst in the company of um's or my parents would offend me and it would offend many people. So if you are going to do that you are intentionally and knowingly going to offend or piss someone off.




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RE: public humiliation? - 5/29/2009 8:38:51 AM   
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In order for it to be humiliating, does it not automatically have to be in front of people who will be upset about it?
If you wouldn't find it humiliating at a dungeon, then you probably wouldn't find it humiliating in a gay bar or a section with a lot of gays. Leaving for another time the fact that gays and lesbians have children also.

So doesn't the op have to do this in front of ums, elderly and so on to get the reaction that is wanted?


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RE: public humiliation? - 5/29/2009 8:41:07 AM   
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The more we hide in the corners and have this obsession with it being dark and different and all that crap the more people feel vindicated about calling us freaks. Seriously the idea of crying because your boyfriend hasnt text you for two hours, that much weirder than wearing a lead in public :P

Lol i completely agree.
The thing is though that like you say we are brought up in 'normality' and anything else is the unknown and foreign to people. They don't understand and therefore they criticise and make their own theories up for what the lifestyle consists of.
Will it get better? I god damn hope so but i don't think the way forward is offending people by parading your sub / slave in a collar or lead. God knows what the way forward is lol.
 
Something we tend to forget is that whilst we find spitting in public offensive, so do other people. It's not like people other than those who do it just accept it. I've seen people comment on spitting, tell the person doing it they are dirty. So in turn we offend by collar and leashing in public we have to be prepared someones going to say something as some tie or other.
Hell in summer i'm prone to wearing tennis skirts, i don't know why i rarely play i just like them. I always wear big knickers underneath (shamefully), usually bigger than bikini bottoms, but there is always someone who comments about it being indecent. Hell tennis players wear them, bikinis are smaller, whats indecent about it?
 
There is always someone offended by something. If you can stand the heat for your choices go ahead. But don't think just because you are happy with what you are doing everybody else is or should be.



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RE: public humiliation? - 5/29/2009 8:44:22 AM   
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In order for it to be humiliating, does it not automatically have to be in front of people who will be upset about it?
If you wouldn't find it humiliating at a dungeon, then you probably wouldn't find it humiliating in a gay bar or a section with a lot of gays. Leaving for another time the fact that gays and lesbians have children also.

So doesn't the op have to do this in front of ums, elderly and so on to get the reaction that is wanted?



Probably yes but that does not equate to it being right in my opinion.
Like i have already said go ahead knock yourselves out, do as you wish. Just don't be surprised when people say something derogatory as they do about many things.

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RE: public humiliation? - 5/29/2009 8:45:13 AM   
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I think that there are better ways of doing it. I think we have to do it gradually but i also think we need to do it and that means working out our own sense of shame.

You know I was on telly the other day talking about the legalisation of prostitution, and I was really shocked, it was a young audience probably mostly students and only about five of us were in favor of legalisation, I think I forget how bloody slow on the uptake some people are. I thought people were more sexually liberated than that.

I don't think you need to be indecent but moderation is ok, I mean yeah wearing no knickers and a tennis skirt would be a bit woah but is a lead really that offensive> its not that explicit its not overly sexual. I dunno. To be fair I think that mostly what would happen is kids calling the couple freaks and stuff.

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RE: public humiliation? - 5/29/2009 8:51:26 AM   
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I don't think you need to be indecent but moderation is ok, I mean yeah wearing no knickers and a tennis skirt would be a bit woah but is a lead really that offensive> its not that explicit its not overly sexual. I dunno. To be fair I think that mostly what would happen is kids calling the couple freaks and stuff.

There is a couple in the village where i live that go around with a collar and leash on the girlie. I see them quite regularly and whilst out on my own even stop and chat with them. We once had a long convo over where i'd bought a pair of boots. However if i have my friends um's and i see them they will cross the road or i will so that the kids dont see it. Their parents don't understand the lifestyle at all and i havent been able to get through to them. They would go spare if the kids came home and said they had seen someone on a collar and leash. So out of respect they move out of the kids sight or i do. They know the situation, i filled them in one day. Should they have to, hell no but its just showing some common decency for others.



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RE: public humiliation? - 5/29/2009 9:00:32 AM   
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Ditto.
I can tell one thing, 10 yrs of experience later.  I told one person, just one, while working in a store and restocking items together.  Someone on the other side heard it.  By the time I got done with my shift, everyone knew.  I did not get fired.  However, even though I had a spotless record, more than a few rewards, had done every department and in fact ran departments in the store, once I left there and tried to return 2 yrs later, I was denied.  Over and over. 
The lady that does the hiring is very conservative.  After my 5th application to return she told me that I might as well give up.  They were a "family" sort of company and people who did what I did would not show the company in good light.
Consequences.
If you want to face them the better idea is to do it in an environment where it is likely to be just another day.
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So, I'd suggest either do so in an environment with other people who are doing similar things, or at least in an adult-only environment with people who are likely to be tolerant.



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RE: public humiliation? - 5/29/2009 9:07:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: missturbation

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A successful happy relationship in bdsm doesn't give you the right to piss people off or offend them by making them witness to stuff they don't consent to.


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Never have, never will. I have a head on My shoulders and use it. I expect the same from others. I rarely get it. *meh*


Thats not the impression i got from the post i replied to. I got the impression you were saying fuck what anyone else thinks or feels.
Seeing you walk your slave on a leash whilst in the company of um's or my parents would offend me and it would offend many people. So if you are going to do that you are intentionally and knowingly going to offend or piss someone off.



Never make the mistake of assuming. Not everyone is offended,and you have no right to make up their minds for them. I have never "offended" anyone, and if I did, would deal swiftly and stridently with any passerby who declared themselves the defender of general public dignity. If the person next to you has a problem with me, it's their business if they bring it up with me, not yours.

As the tone of the previous posts were all about indignant intolerant idiots that would want to stop us doing pretty much anything at all, I expected my "Fuckemall" to be taken as such.

What little I do in public is considered, planned and obviously PG-rated. Taint me not with that brush.

If my assertion that the "different" relationships I know have lasted longer and are stronger than the het/vanilla ones, disturbs you, I'm afraid that's simply my experience. YMMV, as they say. Vive la difference.

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RE: public humiliation? - 5/29/2009 9:11:07 AM   
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 So if you are going to do that you are intentionally and knowingly going to offend or piss someone off.


I go out knowing that there is the possibility that I will offend someone or piss them off, doesn't mean it is intentional, other than I am not going to be a prisoner.
I was once accused of being a teenage single parent by someone on the street because of ignorance.  I was 22.
Once, I was going to Darcys - before we were living together.  I had my big ole case, wearing my New Rocks, a long black coat and a short black skirt with ultra thick 'granny' black tights bwahaha.
I still got some guy calling me a whore.
I smiled and said thank you.
 
Everytime you walk out the door, you risk offending someone, somewhere.  If you don't realise that, I find it a bit strange.  Because I am aware that I can have an impact on other peoples lives, my life pretty much revolves around not caring what they think or how they behave as long as I am being myself, true to myself and I am prepared to back up my choices.
 
You can waste so much time and life being nothing to everyone instead of someone to yourself.
 
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RE: public humiliation? - 5/29/2009 9:13:36 AM   
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I mean yeah wearing no knickers and a tennis skirt would be a bit woah


*has a 70's flashback*
 
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RE: public humiliation? - 5/29/2009 10:37:29 AM   
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Let them look away if they are offended.  I am positive there are far more difficult things that everyone had to come to grips with growing up. 
Prostitues (Mommy, why isn't that lady waiting at the bus stop?), homosexuals in PDA (daddy, do you ever kiss another daddy?), big age difference PDAs (why is her grandpa kissing her like THAT?), heck, I'm sure there are dozens of other things that make UMs go "huh?"
I live in the old south, and I can tell you first hand that a glimpse of a yank on the leash would pose no more of a difficulty for most folks, regardless of age, than was the first time they saw a black man kiss a white woman in public.  And I can guarantee that the leash yanker would face far less risk to his personal safety than that black man.
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RE: public humiliation? - 5/29/2009 10:58:59 AM   
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I really want to yank a slave of mine by his chained collar in public, but should I? The thing I'm concerned about the most are children and the parents of children. I'm not even sure if doing something like this is legal. I live in the gay part of town filled with sex and head shops so I don't think it'll be a big deal. What do you think? Is it a problem?


When my last slave was staying with us I took her to the local shops, markets and on public transport into Brisbane for the day as well as to visit various tourist sites on a leash. Only a couple of eyebrows raised, grins from local police and a couple of friendly interested questions. In retrospect I probable would be more circumspect in the future for I do see no need to offend others and especially giving a negative view to wee bairns either.


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RE: public humiliation? - 5/29/2009 12:44:34 PM   
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It's legal.  Freedom of expression.  In one movie, Groucho suggests to a man that they build their new museum right in Central Park.  "Could we do that?" the man asks.  "Sure," Groucho responds.  "Do it an night when no one's looking." 
Do it in clubs, at night, places where there are no kids present. 

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RE: public humiliation? - 5/29/2009 4:01:17 PM   
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It's legal.  Freedom of expression.  In one movie, Groucho suggests to a man that they build their new museum right in Central Park.  "Could we do that?" the man asks.  "Sure," Groucho responds.  "Do it an night when no one's looking." 
Do it in clubs, at night, places where there are no kids present. 


Why are kids so important? Victoria's Secret is opening a new store in the mall. While they do construction, they have a HUGE picture of a scantily clad woman on the closed store front. Literally, 50 feet long - black lingerie. How can someone justify scoffing at me tugging a girl-puppy on a leash if we're within eye shot of those car-sized tits?

Western culture is over sexualized... It just has to be the right kind of sex to be appropriate. 15 foot tall pictures of (very handsome, I'll admit) men stripped down to boxer briefs, packages the size of bar stools - at eye level. Soaked women and tongues curled out of open mouths... Jesus, if I were 14 again going to the mall would give me a hard on.

I didn't mention radio ads with girls cooing and moaning in pleasure.

THERE ARE GODAMNED PINK THONGS IN THE KIDS SECTION OF MACY'S THAT READ "EYE CANDY".

I don't have a problem with any of that. But people getting pissy about a necklace with a string attached (a collar and leash) while there's an 80 foot wide billboard of a cum dripping mouth is absurd. Absolutely absurd.

I'm not advocating for change, only for fair growth. How much heterosexual missionary style sex do I have to be exposed to before it's ok to see a man give another man a little peck?

The idea of a leashed person is less sexual than any example I've used. It may be intimate, but it's not sexual. A person on a leash is considered a spectacle. *deep sigh* I suppose I'm preaching to the choir here, by and large.

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RE: public humiliation? - 5/29/2009 4:42:25 PM   
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Don't kiss, don't be fat in public, don't be too skinny, don't be gay, don't preach, don't fart, don't show your thong, don't sneeze without covering your mouth, don't talk with your mouth full, don't wear a skirt when your legs look like THAT, don't baggy and expose the top of your whities, don't hug a hippy, don't sing, don't worship, don't try and console a crying child, don't smoke in public spaces, don't laugh, don't and for goodness sake of the children - Don't fucking yank anybodys chain.*dramatic hand to the forehead swoon*.

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RE: public humiliation? - 5/29/2009 4:55:26 PM   
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And on the topic.

I do not get the whole public humilation concept, because it is not turning me on.

But as was elaborated in the long and short, i like some others despise the paranoia concerning children and the non-consenting public. Has anybody watched television in the last time? I suggest strongly you keep your children away from the news, till they are around 16.

And do please not forget the computer games, some of them contain a lot of violence and sex.

In Berlin the trend of "Happy Slapping" is coming back. Children and teens beat, slap and/or torture other weaker children or teens, film it with the handy and put it up on the internet or show it around in school.


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RE: public humiliation? - 5/29/2009 4:57:31 PM   
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Why are kids so important? Victoria's Secret is opening a new store in the mall. While they do construction, they have a HUGE picture of a scantily clad woman on the closed store front. Literally, 50 feet long - black lingerie. How can someone justify scoffing at me tugging a girl-puppy on a leash if we're within eye shot of those car-sized tits?


So i am not the only one who noticed it. In your great post, i missed only music videos. My husband, who is 52 said, that as he was a teen, it was much harder to get a look at explicit stuff like that.

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RE: public humiliation? - 5/29/2009 5:36:19 PM   
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I'm not advocating for change, only for fair growth. How much heterosexual missionary style sex do I have to be exposed to before it's ok to see a man give another man a little peck?


HK, in that, I agree.  There's an utter mismatch and things most definitely are weighted in favour of pushing back the boundaries of what's acceptable when it comes to hetero, non-BDSM love and sex. 

However, re:

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The idea of a leashed person is less sexual than any example I've used. It may be intimate, but it's not sexual. A person on a leash is considered a spectacle.


. . . I do have a concern with ums - and this has little to do with sexuality.  Quite the opposite.  I spent the bulk of my childhood knowing slavery only in the original, non-BDSM sense of that word.  I think it would have alarmed or even horrified me to see someone being led on a chain.  

Time and place.  Night-time, in clubland, young children not around:  I wouldn't care.  I doubt many would, in my neighbourhood, anyway.

Secondly, people always cite arguments in favour of "freedom to express oneself" in support of this sort of activity.  Fine - but that cuts both ways.  If people are being forced to partake in a public humiliation scene, then they might want to express themselves, too.  Such expression may not be approving. 

On a side note that last, for me, applies to certain heterosexual, non-BDSM activities too.  Sometimes it's irritated me to see (usually quite young) people tongue-tickling each other's tonsils in broad daylight and in public.  I've thought: "To hell with how deeply in love you two like to pretend you are.  You're just showing off and using me, as part of your audience, to get a buzz". 

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RE: public humiliation? - 5/29/2009 6:11:35 PM   
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HI Missturbation, I like your suggestion about the leash in the sleeve. It would probably be even more effective that way because it's a wee bit more constricting and naughty because it's hidden.

I don't think I should have named this post public humiliation, because the idea isn't about that, but more so about my control. As silly as it sounds, I just don't want to normally walk down the street with him. I don't want him to walk behind me either. I like the idea of him being physically attached to me.

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