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Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/14/2009 2:35:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady Slaveboy, you are great at using terms like "most," "all", "every cop." Sure many people will exagerate to prove their point, but can you offer any statistics to prove your point? You say the ENTIRE justice system is corrupt. Have you examined every court in every jurisdiction in every town in every state in the whole country? Or are you basing this on your life growing up with the Hatfields and the McCoys who started out with no respect for system to begin with and who felt that they could do whatever they damn well pleased on "their land?" Yes, you are stating your "opinion," but your arguments are always flawed, always filled with bias against the system and never have one solid fact behind them. The majority of the people on these boards basically rest peacefully at night knowing that you would never qualify to sit on a jury. All of the corrupt attorneys and judges would see through any facade of being a person who could fairly look at a case. You equate your arrests with being caused by your "having fun" as a young man. Apparently in your eyes, breaking the laws of this country which are put in to place to protect ME, mean nothing to you. But I do have to wonder if all the trouble you got into in the past was because of your insatiable need to exercise your right to freedom of speech and your apparent desire to try to piss people off. Plenty of people in my area would happily do the jail time to knock some sense into you. None of them are the least bit involved in law enforcement either. They just get annoyed with people who try to spread their ignorance. This is the post I've been waiting for.

Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/14/2009 2:37:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GYPZYQUEEN low blow.. I would like to have a person such as slaveboy at my side in an altercation or when things get down and dirty and we are robbed for a turnip[:-] No you wouldn't. Because if you were robbed for a turnip, so long as the robber didn't harm you, he wouldn't do a thing. (See the thread where he whines about his criminal friend being locked up after being given every available chance at NOT being locked up.) You see, he doesn't care about victims, only criminals. So long as the criminal doesn't punch you in the face to take your turnip, he's fine with them taking it.

sirsholly -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/14/2009 3:50:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady Slaveboy, you are great at using terms like "most," "all", "every cop." Sure many people will exagerate to prove their point, but can you offer any statistics to prove your point? You say the ENTIRE justice system is corrupt. Have you examined every court in every jurisdiction in every town in every state in the whole country? Or are you basing this on your life growing up with the Hatfields and the McCoys who started out with no respect for system to begin with and who felt that they could do whatever they damn well pleased on "their land?" Yes, you are stating your "opinion," but your arguments are always flawed, always filled with bias against the system and never have one solid fact behind them. The majority of the people on these boards basically rest peacefully at night knowing that you would never qualify to sit on a jury. All of the corrupt attorneys and judges would see through any facade of being a person who could fairly look at a case. You equate your arrests with being caused by your "having fun" as a young man. Apparently in your eyes, breaking the laws of this country which are put in to place to protect ME, mean nothing to you. But I do have to wonder if all the trouble you got into in the past was because of your insatiable need to exercise your right to freedom of speech and your apparent desire to try to piss people off. Plenty of people in my area would happily do the jail time to knock some sense into you. None of them are the least bit involved in law enforcement either. They just get annoyed with people who try to spread their ignorance. [sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif]

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/14/2009 4:00:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 Depends how persistent you are about it. This could be where our perspectives differ. I think the choice would depend on the circumstances of a given situation; whereas, you seem to think it should have to do with the ‘wants’ of the, would be ‘suspect’. I blame it on my perspective as a ‘s’. Kim

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/14/2009 4:07:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 She already caused a disturbance by her action. In reference to the speeding, or in not wanting to sign the ticket originally? I didn't see much of a disturbance, until he refused to let her sign the ticket when she had changed her mind. quote: Some AM radio guys looked up the Texas laws on the matter and in Texas you can not refuse to sign a ticket. You say no -- you will be taking the ride to jail. It's not a choice. What about changing one’s mind? Kim

Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/14/2009 4:39:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 This could be where our perspectives differ. I think the choice would depend on the circumstances of a given situation; whereas, you seem to think it should have to do with the ‘wants’ of the, would be ‘suspect’. That's not what I said at all. I said it depends how persistent you are about it. If you are so persistent that you are causing a disturbance or interfering with another aspect of the cop's job, then yes he can arrest you. If you just say "Hey, arrrest me," then no. Most would just say "run along now" or something to the effect. In other words, yes it is situational.

Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/14/2009 4:41:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 In reference to the speeding, or in not wanting to sign the ticket originally? I didn't see much of a disturbance, until he refused to let her sign the ticket when she had changed her mind. In reference to her beligerance and cussing at the officer. That is a disturbance and it's verbal assault if you want to get technical. quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 What about changing one’s mind? Some cops are inclined to allow you to change your mind, some are of the mind that there are consequences for every action.

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/14/2009 5:49:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 In other words, yes it is situational. Thanks for clairifying. quote: In reference to her beligerance and cussing at the officer. That is a disturbance and it's verbal assault if you want to get technical. Like I said before, I did not see much disturbance (agression), before she was told she couldn't change her mind. As for verbal assault; it is an emotional affliction based in ego. I would think that would be part of their training. quote: Some cops are inclined to allow you to change your mind, some are of the mind that there are consequences for every action. Sounds like they are being allowed to judge. Kim

NihilusZero -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/14/2009 6:01:35 PM)
Psycho granny acts/tantrums as if her age should grant her immunity from normal consequence and then lies about it on TV.

Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/14/2009 6:03:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 Like I said before, I did not see much disturbance (agression), before she was told she couldn't change her mind. It sounded to me like she was being a bitch from the moment her window was rolled down. I believe she used the 'age card' before she even got out of the truck. quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 As for verbal assault; it is an emotional affliction based in ego. I would think that would be part of their training. Regardless of what type of allfiction it is, it's on the books as a crime. quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 Sounds like they are being allowed to judge. Judge as in judgement based on a situation, not as in determining guilt or innocence. The cop makes a judgement call at the scene and that's it. The person then goes before a judge to explain their actions. Cops are not judges and can't determine guilt, but they can use their judgement to determine would should and should not go before a judge in a court room. That is why playing street lawyer on the side of the road is futile. The cop is not the judge and it doesn't matter what argument you make. If he finds there is cause to arrest you, you're arrested The rest is sorted out in court. We all are able to do use judgement like that and cops are no different. Just as we are held accountable for judgements we make, so to are the cops. If an inquiry finds that a cop used poor judgement, he gets punished.

NihilusZero -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/14/2009 6:10:27 PM)
I'm about to look over the video again, but I see no instance of her "changing her mind" (nevermind that it's not a privilege she's automatically afforded). I see her threatening to re-enter the vehicle, presumably to drive off or at least to further irritate and aggravate the officer. Yep. Nothing about changing her mind. And her entire television denouncement of the information in the arrest affidavit is a flat-out lie.

Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/14/2009 6:15:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero I'm about to look over the video again, but I see no instance of her "changing her mind" (nevermind that it's not a privilege she's automatically afforded). I see her threatening to re-enter the vehicle, presumably to drive off or at least to further irritate and aggravate the officer. Yep. Nothing about changing her mind. And her entire television denouncement of the information in the arrest affidavit is a flat-out lie. Indeed. She does "kinda" change her mind by saying "gimme the goddamned ticket and I'll sign it." But unfortunately for her, that chance had passed. She was already out of the car, acting like a crazy bitch and the cop had no choice but to keep her controlled for both of their safety. It may be "a woman's perogative to change her mind" but in the real world, her, and everyone's perogative should be to shut their yap and not get belligerent with a cop.

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/14/2009 6:17:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero Psycho granny acts/tantrums as if her age should grant her immunity from normal consequence and then lies about it on TV. Before we get into persecution for lying on tv, lets rethink… Why do we expect Grams to be more responsable the the trained police officer? Kim

Loki45 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/14/2009 6:21:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 Before we get into persecution for lying on tv, lets rethink… Why do we expect Grams to be more responsable the the trained police officer? Where is an indication by anyone that we expect her to be more responsible? The cop was very responsible in my opinion. Any number of things could have happened had he not done what he did. They could both be chalk outlines right now. This happened in Texas. For some strange reason, Texas has had a RASH of officers dying because some idiot on the road is transfixed....or whatever on their flashing lights and ends up driving right into their car. She could have pushed them both into the path of a car, she could have gotten to her seat and grabbed a gun....anything. As it happened, she's alive to try and lie about the situation and the cop is alive to be ridiculed for it. The only permanent damage was to hers and the cop's pride.

NihilusZero -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/14/2009 6:30:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 Indeed. She does "kinda" change her mind by saying "gimme the goddamned ticket and I'll sign it." But unfortunately for her, that chance had passed. She was already out of the car, acting like a crazy bitch and the cop had no choice but to keep her controlled for both of their safety. How did I miss that twice? Is it muddled during one of the moments when a car is passing, making audible clarity iffy? Anyhow...it's interesting to see some comments about how the tasering was "too far"....because it doesn't make any sense. It's his job to request compliance with the law. If that fails, it's his job to enforce compliance. The taser appears to be the least aggressive (yet perhaps a more embarrassing) means of doing that. Despite her earlier piss poor attitude, the officer still takes time afterward to calmly make sure she's healthy and comfortable.

NihilusZero -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/14/2009 6:32:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 Before we get into persecution for lying on tv, lets rethink… Why do we expect Grams to be more responsable the the trained police officer? Kim The officer acted thoroughly responsibly. She acted like an idiot and had the audacity to lie about it to millions of viewers.

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/14/2009 6:37:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 It sounded to me like she was being a bitch from the moment her window was rolled down. I believe she used the 'age card' before she even got out of the truck. So, you saw the missing 37 sec worth of missing tape? OMG, not the age card!!! quote: Regardless of what type of allfiction it is, it's on the books as a crime. I hear oral sex is too; sad, ey? quote: The cop makes a judgement call at the scene and that's it. The point was, people were claiming the “cop” had no choice; he did, and therefore made a judgment. quote: Cops are not judges and can't determine guilt, but they can use their judgement to determine would should and should not go before a judge in a court room. quote: But apparently feel they are allowed to punish. quote: If he finds there is cause to arrest you, you're arrested The rest is sorted out in court. You're really not seeing it, are you? quote: Just as we are held accountable for judgements we make, so to are the cops. If an inquiry finds that a cop used poor judgement, he gets punished. We are held accountable for our choices, the result is consequence. I won’t bore you with my thoughts on judgment or punishment. Kim

cpK69 -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/14/2009 6:39:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero The officer acted thoroughly responsibly. Opinion. quote: She acted like an idiot and had the audacity to lie about it to millions of viewers. Millions of viewers lie to themselves everyday; your point? Kim

NihilusZero -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/14/2009 6:45:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 The point was, people were claiming the “cop” had no choice; he did, and therefore made a judgment. Going back to my previous point: His job is to request compliance. She refused. That choice of hers put the officer in the position of having to enforce compliance. Of course he had a choice. Now, which of these other options would you have preferred to enforce compliance out of someone being aggressively defiant: Full nelson (maybe transitioning into a camel clutch). Slipping a sedative in a drink and offering it to her. Pistol-whipping her. Lasso & hogtying her. Damaging her vehicle to where it was un-drivable and backup came. Cry, beg and plead for her to behave like an adult.

Loxosceles -> RE: Granny tasers in TX~! (6/14/2009 6:51:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy http://www.myfoxaustin.com/dpp/news/local/052909_Grandmother_Tasered_at_Traffic_Stop Grandmother Tasered at Traffic StopUpdated: Monday, 01 Jun 2009, 9:13 AM CDT Published : Friday, 29 May 2009, 9:17 PM CDT A 72-year-old woman is pulled over for speeding, then tasered and sent to jail. /snip how pathetic! Check out the bad azz threat to the cops! Man oh man. This has gone too far. She likely was referring to common law- not statutory law. Gramma was a bitch to the cop; she deserved it. I hope that the judge throws her in jail or she has to pay her life savings for the fine. With that attitude, she deserves to eat dog food for the rest of her life.

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