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Apocalypso -> RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK (6/14/2009 8:06:55 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Fitznicely
Thanks for the excellent discussion so far. I've caught up after a night out and, I think what's torpedoed a lot of the discussion is the many (deliberate?) misinterpretations of what counts as "hard" drugs and what doesn't.
Frankly I'm disappointed. Those in the UK will know what I mean by Class I drugs, Class II, etc. Those in the US, Wikipedia tells me you classify them into schedules. I'm sure you all know which drugs fall under the categories Schedule I, Schedule II, etc. As we have a commonly accepted frame of reference under the law, I don't see why so much of the thread has to be taken up nitpicking a random list of four words. Granted, maybe I could have used the legal classifications from the start, but seriously guys, I'm not writing this for my University Professor.
I don't think it's a deliberate misrepresentation- more a reflection that people often reply to the OP without reading the rest of the thread.
More broadly, part of the issue here is that how we classify drugs is a major part of the debate. It would be my view that the legal classifications simply aren't helpful in a discussion of risk- they're far more based on historical, social and political factors than they are on the actual potential harm of the individual substances. If you're going to look at a useful means of general categorisation, I'd suggest using the Matrix of Harm instead- http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070323105029.htm
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Given the mechanics of being quite so utterly out of control of your own thought patterns, judgement, hell, even muscles, thrown into the mix of whatever it is you personally call edge play, or RACK play (them being, for these purposes different but possibly overlapping types of play), I find it very hard to think of someone assessing the risk involved and finding it acceptable. I find it so hard, in fact, I can't see anyone agreeing.
You've read a lot of the replies very differently than me. There seems to have been general (if not universal) agreement that certain edgeplay activities may well be too risky if done while using mind altering substances.
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It puzzles me genuinely. Put aside my personal opinion that it shows a huge disrespect for your body and mind to poison yoursef with these high classification drugs
The thing is, that's difficult to put to one side because it's an important factor in your views. And if you're going to make an argument that drug use is closely linked to low self-esteem, that's not merely a personal opinion. It's a verifiable psychological theory. Put it like this. If I was going to claim that people who use drugs are more inclined to creativity, wouldn't you ask me to back that up with some data?
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The lesser classification drugs, while recreationally/medicinally I don't have much of a problem with...I still can't quite wrap my head around what they bring to a scene that can't be replaced by going into sub/domspace, endorphin rush or that peculiar trancelike, caffeine-like high I personally feel when the scene's going well...
I'll mail you. [;)]
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This was always specifically about scening. I don't accept that because i might enjoy a drink or a smoke when I'm not playing, it makes me a hypocrite. I don't mix the two. I don't believe you should.
I'd agree with you that's not hypocritical. (Assuming that you're not participating in other high risk activities while drinking, which you don't seem to be). However, enjoying a drink or smoke, while claiming that drug users (of any kind) have no respect for their bodies is hypocritical. It really boils down to an argument that says "my drugs good. Your drugs bad" which is always going to lead to questions of double standards. As an aside, that's why I'm more tolerant of anti-drug lectures from my straight edge friends, who have the benefit of consistency.
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I THOUGHT, with 20+ years of research and first-hand experience to back up my assumption, that drugs and scening don't mix, period (even in private).
Is your view that drugs and scening don't mix, or that drugs and edgeplay don't mix? Because you've made both arguments in this post.
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The point people have made about "don't get involved"...well, I see the "butt out" argument, but there's times when it's just necessary, y'know? When someone is obviously in need of help or advice, I'm far from the kind of person who'll stand back and say "someone else's problem, pal". AS I said, but seems to have been joyfully ignored, I'm not some crusader who'll gleefully crash into every playparty or private scene with drugs dogs and start whupping ass. I would never put myself up as that.
To be fair to you, that's not a criticism I share with others. Hell, I'm an arrogant, obnoxious, opinionated dick at times. It doesn't make me wrong. [8D]
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NO, BTW, I'm not backtracking or saving face or recovering the shreds of my dignity or whatever it is that people obviously will try and jump on. This has always been my point, and was the context of me saying in the first place "Don't scene on drugs, period". That was said to someone who'd been abused horribly. Who here would not say to that person "best you stay away from that kinda shit altogether"?
To be fair, one of the reasons for the new thread was that I argued very firmly that thread was not the place for a debate about the validity of drugs in BDSM in a general sense. I'd disagree with your view that was the main issue in that thread however. In the situation described, the person being scened with was someone who nobody should scene with, whether sober or not.
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