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Aynne88 -> RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK (6/12/2009 6:49:58 PM)

Fun fact: Alcohol dementia exists too. Coca cola burns holes in your stomach. Processed food makes you obese. Chicken Mcnuggets makes kids fat and are made out of sick animals. Eating dairy makes humans sick. Most "legal" rx medications pushed on us by big pharma have way worse side effects than most people know, but because the guy in the white coat writes the scrip, hey it's safe!   




Asherdelampyr -> RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK (6/12/2009 6:50:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

Fun fact: Alcohol dementia exists too. Coca cola burns holes in your stomach. Processed food makes you obese. Chicken Mcnuggets makes kids fat and are made out of sick animals. Eating dairy makes humans sick. Most "legal" rx medications pushed on us by big pharma have way worse side effects than most people know, but because the guy in the white coat writes the scrip, hey it's safe!   


too much red meat makes you have heart issues

too many tomatoes make you red
too many carrots make you yellow

:D




Aynne88 -> RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK (6/12/2009 6:51:50 PM)

Yep. Party on people. :)




Asherdelampyr -> RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK (6/12/2009 6:53:39 PM)

Everything you eat, drink or do has an effect
its all about weighing risk :D




NormalOutside -> RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK (6/12/2009 7:01:11 PM)

Pot is a hard drug? Wow... what's a soft drug, chocolate?

Anyway, yes, I can and do play in varying mental states. Very rewarding and interesting.




PyrotheClown -> RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK (6/12/2009 7:06:09 PM)

chocolate and sugar; the new gate way drug




Asherdelampyr -> RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK (6/12/2009 7:15:11 PM)



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ORIGINAL: PyrotheClown

chocolate and sugar; the new gate way drug


I was right! Reeses is like crack!!!!!




PyrotheClown -> RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK (6/12/2009 7:19:57 PM)

not like



it is crack



Sweet sweet buttery crack




Asherdelampyr -> RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK (6/12/2009 7:22:34 PM)

yea, I am forced to agree
though I never heard of someone sucking a dick for some Reeses, maybe im just not in "That" part of town :P




PyrotheClown -> RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK (6/12/2009 7:33:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr

yea, I am forced to agree
though I never heard of someone sucking a dick for some Reeses, maybe im just not in "That" part of town :P


just wait, it'll be a "what would you do for a klondike bar" commercial in no time




Asherdelampyr -> RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK (6/12/2009 7:37:29 PM)

LMAO

probably
I Can see it now, or betterr yet, grab a slut and make the commercial :D




ShaharThorne -> RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK (6/12/2009 8:01:40 PM)

*grabs a switch for a klondike bar*

A hickory switch!!




Asherdelampyr -> RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK (6/12/2009 8:07:20 PM)

What would you doooo *Crack* OWWWW for a Klondike bar!




ChasingOblivion -> RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK (6/12/2009 9:19:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

Fun fact: Alcohol dementia exists too. Coca cola burns holes in your stomach. Processed food makes you obese. Chicken Mcnuggets makes kids fat and are made out of sick animals. Eating dairy makes humans sick. Most "legal" rx medications pushed on us by big pharma have way worse side effects than most people know, but because the guy in the white coat writes the scrip, hey it's safe!   


I couldn't agree more. I don't take the legal and "safe" prescription medications for my headaches and anxiety because they don't work as well, the side effects are hellish, and the potential long-term risks aren't worth what little benefit I get.
Doctors give Ritalin to little kids because they're a little too hyper and hard to deal with, and Ritalin is basically speed.
Anymore, most medical doctors in this country are just glorified drug dealers anyway, so really, who isn't on drugs?




PyrotheClown -> RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK (6/12/2009 9:27:33 PM)

haha, In california you can be prescribed pot by a doctor for such a condition




ChasingOblivion -> RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK (6/12/2009 11:01:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PyrotheClown

haha, In california you can be prescribed pot by a doctor for such a condition

I know, but assuming I could even afford to live there (which I can't) I'd have to be stoned 24/7 to live in California. It's too expensive, way too crowded, WAY too much crime and too many crazy people, and there's the whole earthquakes, wild fires, and horrible pollution thing. Thanks, but no thanks, I'll stay in the midwest where it's safe.




PyrotheClown -> RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK (6/12/2009 11:03:45 PM)

haha, what are you talking about, it's the granola state, nothing but fruits flakes and nuts




KateyCaine -> RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK (6/13/2009 1:41:20 AM)

i believe that using ANY substances that are purely recreational during sceneplay is courting disaster. These substances alter thought processes and moods and are not conducive to a situation where clear thoughts and perceptions are necessary.

k.




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK (6/13/2009 5:47:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: KateyCaine

i believe that using ANY substances that are purely recreational during sceneplay is courting disaster. These substances alter thought processes and moods and are not conducive to a situation where clear thoughts and perceptions are necessary.

k.



See, I can understand this as a personal limit, but not as a blanket statement meant to be applied to everyone. I don't know how the author meant it, but just saying that, if it is given as a blanket statement, I have a problem. The problem with this statement as a blanket statement is that it -presumes- that the individuals involved want "clear thoughts and perceptions". There are a LOT of sceneplay situations that can be enhanced with less than clear thoughts and altered perceptions. Hell, good sceneplay -itself- muddies thoughts and alters perceptions (don't believe me -- search "subspace", "domspace", "topspace", etc.).

I don't think people can make a blanket statement about whether or not substance use during sceneplay is appropriate. There are -far- too many factors involved. How -much- substance? What substance(s)? How functional are the parties? What kind of play is being done (ie., roleplay, light flogging, cutting, branding, fisting, suspension without skin penetration, suspension -with- skin penetration, sounding, watersports, vampiric....)? Have the players indicated any prior preference or requirement regarding starting state (hard limits around altered perceptions)? Does the venue have requirements about use of substances during play? Have any precautions been taken to adjust to altered perceptions? Is everyone involved on-board with what's happening (which includes others using the space if it is a public scene)?

For myself, I have boundaries that are in place, frankly, to protect my reputation and the reputation of my House (along with its members). I'm not going to be a stupid idiot and play someone beyond my capabilities, because my reputation is important to me. Frankly, if Sally Subbie or Slavish Steve wants to get trashed off hir respective tush and get branded and fisted... hey, 's all good... but it won't happen with -me-. If someone thinks xhe can consent to playing (on either side of the kneel) while smoked tighter than sockeye salmon on the Saturday Brunch Buffet, and someone -else- is willing to go along with that assessment, especially if they're playing in their own homes and are -seeking- to experience the situation with altered perceptions, go to it. Me... I value my reputation, and also don't want someone coming back later on and saying "How could you let me consent to that when you -know- I don't do that and I was stoned out of my mind?" I don't traffic in regrets -- so I don't play in a way that has a higher-than-average possibility of leaving me or someone else regretting the experience. That doesn't make the experience automatically bad for someone else, or automatically -wrong- for someone else. Adults, frankly, own their own bodies even if they -think- they're slaves, and if they want to give that body away for some rampant experiment in "stupid"... everyone has the right to make hir own choices, and live with hir own mistakes. Start taking that away and it's a slippery slope to -exactly- where we are in the United States, where the Government can arrest grown adults for making choices about how to care for themselves, and we all become pawns in someone else's chess game of OUR lives!

Wow... I got a little riled up this morning, huh?




Apocalypso -> RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK (6/13/2009 7:52:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW
Strong post, Apocalypso. I think I'd make -one- adaptation, but I'm a stickler for those apparently miniscule details. I know, I know... annoying as h*ll.

In any case, I'd revise the above statement to read:

Absolutely no renegotiation to -increase- the intensity or -add- new activities while "under the influence" (on either side of the kneel). Reduction or elimination of activities discussed is always acceptable. (Saying "I'm uncomfortable with this" or "no" should always be allowed -- and maybe even moreso when "under the influence", since inebriation often reduces inhibitions, causing people to agree to things that they'd normally say -no- to, so having someone ask to downgrade the activities is a clear indication of pretty high levels of discomfort, in my experience.

Dame Calla
That's an excellent revision and I agree with it totally.  (I suspect we'd agree that, while renegotiation of boundaries will often take time, withdrawal of consent happens instantly).

It's even more important with illegal drugs arguably.  Because of the variance in purity, there's always a possibility someone may find themselves more out of it then they expected.  Or, with some drugs, may not even be sure exactly what they're taking.




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