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RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK - 6/15/2009 11:04:15 AM   
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It also goes by danger... yes, there is a chance a schedule I could kill you, but if you take a gander, you've got marijuana in I, cocaine in II, methadone in IV, and codeine in quantities greater than 200 mg in V... and that's the likelihood that it will kill you.


First, it is true that the Schedule that a drug is on determines the hoops a doctor has to go through to prescribe it. Schedule I drugs are not allowed to be prescribed at all. They've been ruled to have no justifiable medical use in humans. With that being said...

Just to be clear on this, the placement of mj as a Schedule I drug is -strictly- a political issue. Mj is -not- more dangerous than cocaine, methadone or codeine, and isn't nearly as addictive. In fact, existing, repeatable research going back over 50 years confirms that mj is not physically addictive at all, and is only mildly psychologically addictive (comparable to caffeine, and lower than either tobacco or alcohol). One supposed justification for mj's Schedule I status is that it was claimed that mj provided -no- medical benefits... however, after 40+ years of sustained research, we know that is no longer the case. We -also- know that it works best in its natural form, as it has been proven that extracted THC does not provide the same medical benefits in most cases as the whole-plant derivatives. However, the smear campaign against mj was so pervasive that it has been a political -nightmare- to have the medical benefits recognized and have mj -at least- moved to a more appropriate Schedule where it could be legally prescribed on a nationwide basis. Several states have taken it into their own hands to do so, since the Feds won't act, but make no mistake, the placement of mj where it is on the Schedules is a purely political machination.

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RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK - 6/15/2009 11:08:21 AM   
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I also am fully aware that my tolerance to smokeables is very low thus it doesn't take much before I feel the effects and these efeects hit me harder than a person who's a recreational toker.


This brings up another series of sub-questions for me concerning scening (including edgeplay) and substancing. For those who -do-, do you make an exception when you're substance-of-choice is something new or something you only use -very- rarely? A different kind of alcohol? On a new medication? Trying out a new alterant or using one you haven't used in a -really- long time (more than 6 months)? Why or why not?

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RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK - 6/15/2009 11:15:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

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It also goes by danger... yes, there is a chance a schedule I could kill you, but if you take a gander, you've got marijuana in I, cocaine in II, methadone in IV, and codeine in quantities greater than 200 mg in V... and that's the likelihood that it will kill you.


First, it is true that the Schedule that a drug is on determines the hoops a doctor has to go through to prescribe it. Schedule I drugs are not allowed to be prescribed at all. They've been ruled to have no justifiable medical use in humans. With that being said...

Just to be clear on this, the placement of mj as a Schedule I drug is -strictly- a political issue.


Humble apologies... I blame exhaustion this morning on picking the absolute wrong drug to prove my point. It's a reminder that coffee should always come before posting.


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RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK - 6/15/2009 11:23:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

This brings up another series of sub-questions for me concerning scening (including edgeplay) and substancing. For those who -do-, do you make an exception when you're substance-of-choice is something new or something you only use -very- rarely? A different kind of alcohol? On a new medication? Trying out a new alterant or using one you haven't used in a -really- long time (more than 6 months)? Why or why not?

DC



For myself. Knowing myself as well as I do, while I do enjoy being under the influence of mj, there are a huge number of things I would not attempt to do at that time. Kinda like driving... Aside from mj, there isn't much that interests me. I do respect my mind and my body and don't want to risk damaging either.

There are one or two things I would love to try, given the opportunity, and having the correct people around me. Were I to try either of them, I doubt that any BDSM play would be attempted at all.


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RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK - 6/15/2009 1:06:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

This brings up another series of sub-questions for me concerning scening (including edgeplay) and substancing. For those who -do-, do you make an exception when you're substance-of-choice is something new or something you only use -very- rarely? A different kind of alcohol? On a new medication? Trying out a new alterant or using one you haven't used in a -really- long time (more than 6 months)? Why or why not?

DC



For myself. Knowing myself as well as I do, while I do enjoy being under the influence of mj, there are a huge number of things I would not attempt to do at that time. Kinda like driving... Aside from mj, there isn't much that interests me. I do respect my mind and my body and don't want to risk damaging either.

There are one or two things I would love to try, given the opportunity, and having the correct people around me. Were I to try either of them, I doubt that any BDSM play would be attempted at all.





Ditto, actually. And for the same reasons, I haven't tried certain things. (correct people and opportunity) Nothing to do with bdsm and all to do with the experience. I have to admit that I think the train has left the station for the chance now, and I'd be unlikely to take the risk of anything new.

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RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK - 6/15/2009 6:39:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW


This brings up another series of sub-questions for me concerning scening (including edgeplay) and substancing. For those who -do-, do you make an exception when you're substance-of-choice is something new or something you only use -very- rarely? A different kind of alcohol? On a new medication? Trying out a new alterant or using one you haven't used in a -really- long time (more than 6 months)? Why or why not?

DC



Absolutely not. I would never play under the influence of any substance unless I was 100% certain of what to expect and how it would effect me. Any new (new to me) drug/substance/medication could produce any number of unpredictable results/reactions. Not just to the drug itself, but to anything it might have been cut with and of course there is always the chance of allergic/adverse reactions.
To clarify, I have only ever played under the influence of substances I was familiar with and had used enough to know what to expect and/or how they would effect me long beforehand. In my opinion, doing otherwise is irresponsible and dangerous.

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RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK - 6/16/2009 7:58:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ChasingOblivion
Absolutely not. I would never play under the influence of any substance unless I was 100% certain of what to expect and how it would effect me.


Same here. I also wouldn't play on a substance I knew without having already tried some of the same batch previously.


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RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK - 6/16/2009 5:08:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		We don't play if we've been drinking. He might not mind if I had a glass of wine but if he's had a drink, he won't play. He's just afraid he won't be sharp enough. Of course if I've had a drink I'm interested in sleep, not play. I'm a cheap date, what can I say.

But no, we won't play if we've taken Benedryl either. Anything that changes our perceptions.

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RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK - 6/17/2009 4:53:44 PM   
DemonKia


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Okay, I'm reading this thread as having a general discussion of BDSM & 'drug use' . . . .. I engage in various levels of 'drug use', many licit, & I'm a kinkster, so now I'll add some additional thoughts, even some that relate to 'BDSM & drug use' . . .. .

One problem of 'drug use' & all its evils is that it becomes a 'convenient cop-out' for those so inclined, & thus taints all 'drug users' disproportionately with the sins of those who publicly blame their aggregate of dysfunctional choices on their 'drug use'. (Not much different than the blaming of 'porn' for criminal actions taken by the blamer . . . . . )

{I now must quote Bill Hicks: No, I don't do drugs anymore, either. But I'll tell you something about drugs. I used to do drugs, but I'll tell you something honestly about drugs, honestly, and I know it's not a very popular idea, you don't hear it very often anymore, but it is the truth: I had a great time doing drugs. Sorry. Never murdered anyone, never robbed anyone, never raped anyone, never beat anyone, never lost a job, a car, a house, a wife or kids, laughed my ass off, and went about my day. --> from the Sainted Bill Hicks . .. lol}

Personally, amongst the many other things I've done while regularly imbibing mild-to-moderate doses of cannabis, I like to point to how I smoked pot before doing my calculus homework, in college. Got a B in the first semester, then As in the next two semesters . . . (But that first semester I was also taking first semester college chemistry, first semester Russian, & a history class, for a total B+ average . .. . . So I call hooey on the whole 'pot makes ya stupid' propaganda . . . . .)

Now, more to the topic at hand, much of BDSM play is about altering consciousness, perception . . . . . As is sex, dancing, playing music, listening to music, reading, & a whole host of other human activities. Humans have a deep-seated need, in my not-so-humble, to alter their senses . . . . . One of the biggest problems of the 'War On Politically Incorrect Vegetables' is that it generally taints all altering of senses as being 'bad' & 'wrong' . . . . . & especially as a kinkster I think that it's problematic to 'diss' the 'responsible altering of consciousness' . . . . .

&, to me, painting all 'drug users' with the misbehavior of a few looks an awful lot like tainting all kinksters with the poor choices of a few . . . . . . . . .

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RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK - 6/17/2009 8:32:56 PM   
ChasingOblivion


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Status: offline 		Well said DemonKia, I couldn't agree more. 

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RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK - 6/18/2009 6:04:38 AM   
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It's a dichotomy though, as a Muvver, that I don't really want my womb-escapers to do what I do. I'd prefer them to never have a drink, never so much as sniff a spliff...never do anything other than, erm, NOT take any risks of any kind that cause ME the slightest worry.

The reality is , they have and will.......what I DO prefer is that they can and do talk to me about these things because I am not going to leap on them in a parental frenzy. I'll share with them truthfully ANY information AND experience I have, if they ask . THAT, I see as a duty. I know my limits as a parent and it is of NO help to them to just say *  Ooo, it's so baddddd, it's SO wrong, it's SO bad for you*. Being sensible kids, they'll just go look for a more balanced view and not take me seriously. Much better to tell them the truth..... It DOES feel good, but it carries risks, like anything else.

As for the *pot make you stupid*........Come on, it affects people differently, depending on how sustained the use is and the make-up of the person themselves. I don't see the warnings about what CAN happen as propaganda.....fore-warned is fore-armed, and I know *I* prefer to know what CAN happen and make my choices from there. While I prefer to be an occasional and situational user....not everyone has a steady enough rudder to do that. I know a handful of people that really have been effected in a detrimental way from their *pot* use;  paranoia of various degrees being one, and a debilitating lack of motivation, being another.

It's been a very important thing for my children , that some of those people who have suffered these effects, have been willing to talk to them about it and been open about it.

I've already mentioned my views on it regarding bdsm, but mistaken or not...... I'm just as likely to be tarred with the same brush as people that do irresponsible things while doing so. I accept that.

agirl

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RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK - 6/18/2009 6:19:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's funny that you brought up the offspring situation, agirl . . . . . When they got to that age I told them that if I got an opinion in the matter I'd ruther they used cannabis than alcohol, but I live in a town with a pretty out-of-control drinking culture, especially with the young adults . . . . . . Lots of that stupid 21-drinks-on-your-21st-birthday kinda crap, & that was one of my worst worries . . . . . . .

As for the rest *shrugs* I generally figure that if more than 1% agree with anything I say, I'm doing well . . . . . lol

I did have a somewhat final, & reasonably on-topic, thought about Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK after reading thru this thread, to wit: mixing more than the most modest amounts of mild intoxicants with BDSM play strikes me as being edgeplay, in & of itself . . .. . . Which can be responsibly done, or not . . . . . . .

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RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK - 6/18/2009 8:01:40 AM   
agirl


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Status: offline 		It's often a tough decision.......I just really want to say * Don't*. I try not to offer an opinion that's not based on some kind of fact. But we all live in different cultures, even town-life, compared to village-life has it's own cultural acceptances.....even if only a matter of a few miles apart.

If pushed, (and with any choice)....I'd probably rather they had a dabble with alcohol.....because of the tendency to mix *pot* with tobacco and smoking. As I smoke, I know how hideously addictive it has been for me. No *drug* has ever had a grip on me like tobacco, not even remotely close, no matter how much *fun* it's been.

In the UK, kids can drink at 18yrs, legally.........but plenty have already had a foray into it well before then. Too much booze, at least has the effect of making them feel crap, sick, and suffer a fair amount* at the time*. I know that the experience of feeling so AWFUL curbed my *aspiring adults* of gulping down booze without a fair amount of care. Again , it's down to the people themselves.

agirl

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RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK - 6/18/2009 9:08:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Those in the UK will know what I mean by Class I drugs, Class II, etc."

Umm, no, we don't, as the categories are A, B & C!  The categorisations and the various laws have little to do with their harmfulness in reality.

  • Class A: Punishable with up to seven years in prison or an unlimited fine or both for possession. Life in prison or unlimited fine or both for intent to supply. Includes; Ecstasy, LSD, cocaine, crack, magic mushrooms and amphetamines (if injected).


  • Class B: Punishable with up to five years in prison or an unlimited fine or both for possession. 14 years in prison or an unlimited fine or both for intent to supply. Includes; amphetamines, Ritalin and pholocodine.


  • Class C: Punishable with two years in prison, an unlimited for or both for possession. 14 years in prison, or an unlimited fine or both with intent to supply. Includes' cannabis, tranquilisers, some painkillers, GHB and Ketamine.

    "A study published in the Lancet in spring 2007 concluded UK drug's policy was not fit for purpose. Looking at the harm caused by various narcotic substances, it found alcohol was the fifth most dangerous drug available, following heroin, cocaine, barbiturates and methadone, yet it is not included in the ABC system. Tobacco emerged as the ninth most dangerous drug, ahead of cannabis and the Class A drugs ecstasy and LSD. "

    Umm, put that in your pipe, chillum or bong and smoke it

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    RE: Drugs, Edgeplay and RACK - 7/9/2009 5:01:55 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Pot is a hard drug like meth? Geez I think we have a major difference of opinion here. But you are entitled to yours as I am to mine.

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