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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 5:28:39 PM

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You won't generally see me getting beligerant with a cop but you also won't see me dropping to the side of the road and sucking him off either.

grins, well hell take away all the fun why don't you IrishKnight lol.

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 5:31:28 PM

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I was about to say the same thing Angel...

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 5:33:43 PM

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grins... i better watch it or everyone will think that's why i don't think all cops are bad lol. But some of them look damn good in and out of their uniforms that the slut says yummmy.

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 6:04:06 PM

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when the cops come, say "I felt my life was in danger, I shot to stop the aggressive action. My lawyer is on his way."

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If you are street wise, you would know that you never talk to a cop about the circumstances of any encounter. Cops love motor mouths.

I believe I just said that.

No, you tried to proffer a legal defense and your attorney will have to rationalize any inconsistencies. Most security companies have written instructions not to say a thing, period. Remember, you have just shot someone.

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I have never had an argument with a cop on the street. You are also somehow jumping from my distrust/dislike of cops to assuming I argue with them. To argue with them assumes that I would talk to them during a street encounter. I do not believe that I will ever be that foolish.

But your taking the OP's side *does* indicate that as he has, in many threads and posts, indicated that the cops have no authority over him and he would not comply. Not complying with a cop's instructions is what leads to the little ditty in my signature.

As many times as I have said that I do not hinder police officers and you are still playing that same harpsichord? If Slaveboy's beliefs upset you so much, go for a walk. You are acting like a Pekinese dog chewing on a sock and the sock is winning.

Slaveboy's sense of humor leads me to suspect that he had your number before he intentionally sent you into orbit.

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 6:12:53 PM

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No, you tried to proffer a legal defense and your attorney will have to rationalize any inconsistencies. Most security companies have written instructions not to say a thing, period. Remember, you have just shot someone.

I said nothing at all that would indicate a 'motor mouth' nor offering a legal defense. The statement I gave was a generic statement indicating the textbook answer one is supposed to give in addition to informing the cops that a lawyer was on his way. Nothing more.

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As many times as I have said that I do not hinder police officers and you are still playing that same harpsichord?

Yes, because....and will say this as clearly as I can.....THE OP'S ORIGINAL RANTS HAVE BEEN ABOUT RESISTING THE COPS AND HOW THEY HAVE NO AUTHORITY OVER HIM. Clear enough?

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If Slaveboy's beliefs upset you so much, go for a walk. You are acting like a Pekinese dog chewing on a sock and the sock is winning.

Once again you are incorrect and reading far more into it than is actually there. In fact, the sheer tone of my posts vs the OP's posts would indicate the opposite. As I am not the one who posted multiple messages addressing him with lines like "seee, I asked you this and you won't answer...what have you done? Hmm? Hmmm?" And then gone on to announce that he was scared to answer me........unlike some people have.

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Slaveboy's sense of humor leads me to suspect that he had your number before he intentionally sent you into orbit.

I think you're being naive here. Or you have no read all the relavent posts. If you had, you'd see that I was getting far more laughs than he was.

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 6:36:23 PM

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Well, the only time I've weighed in on this thread was to provide links to Collective Bargaining agreements to prove that cops are, indeed, unionized and do have union contracts.

I've watched the video several times and I think I'm watching a different utube video from most of the rest of ya'll. I don't see any cops doing anything wrong in that video. I do see one paramedic pull away in a rough manner when he was told he was under arrest but I don't know 'why' he was under arrest or why he jerked his arm away. I do see a cop put his hands on the throat of the paramedic 'after' he was told he was under arrest and pulled away. I don't see the ambulance pull away so I don't know if the arrest was completed, if they took the paramedic to jail or why the ambulance was pulled over in the first place. I don't see anything in that video that shows one way or another why it was supposed to pull over, why it eventually pulled over or when it eventually took off although there is evidence to suggest that the lady did go to the hospital, was treated, and later released. I don't see anything in the video that would lead to the cop being placed on adminstrative leave because it appears to me he was doing the job for which he is paid in that moment and did not use excessive force to calm the situation. The sound was difficult to hear so I don't know, exactly, what was said, who was shouting, what illness or injury the lady in the ambulance had, whether she was or was not a priority or to whom (except, obviously to her son.) I don't know if the ambulance drivers had their lights on for an emergency, if they were supposed to have their lights on, if they had faulty lights..

.. in other words, there's a whole lot of "I don't knows" that go along with viewing that particular utube video.

My ultimate conclusion is that.. I can't form any conclusions based on the video and would need to hear and see more evidence to make any sort of decision on any of the allegations against the paramedic and the cop.

For now, I'm going to presume that both the cop and the paramedic are innocent. IF evidence turns up to suggest guilt for either party on some charge unknown at this time, then appropriate consequences should be levied against them otherwise, I think they should all go out for ice cream and suggest that remedy for a number of the posters here as well.

Don't really have much more to say than that so hope you all have a pleasant evening. :)

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 6:39:46 PM

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I said nothing at all that would indicate a 'motor mouth' nor offering a legal defense.

Your statements: "I felt my life was in danger, I shot to stop the aggressive action." Those are legal defenses. But do not worry, I do not feel you could form the requisite intent.

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As many times as I have said that I do not hinder police officers and you are still playing that same harpsichord?

Yes, because....and will say this as clearly as I can.....THE OP'S ORIGINAL RANTS HAVE BEEN ABOUT RESISTING THE COPS AND HOW THEY HAVE NO AUTHORITY OVER HIM. Clear enough?

Cops only have that authority over you that you allow. So what is your problem? Apparently Slaveboy only resists when a cop provides him with a defense otherwise he would be calling you from jail or prison.

Once again you are incorrect and reading far more into it than is actually there. In fact, the sheer tone of my posts vs the OP's posts would indicate the opposite. As I am not the one who posted multiple messages addressing him with lines like "seee, I asked you this and you won't answer...what have you done? Hmm? Hmmm?" And then gone on to announce that he was scared to answer me........unlike some people have.

I incorporate your answer by reference as being definitive of your posts.

I think you're being naive here. Or you have no read all the relavent posts. If you had, you'd see that I was getting far more laughs than he was.

My question is whether you have read your posts. And, I agree with you that you are probably getting most of the laughs.

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 6:45:10 PM

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You saw the video that the relative of the patient shot. The newscast last night showed the dash cam, which is what I watched (no choking but it was jumpy like someone editted it).

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 6:48:08 PM

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You saw the video that the relative of the patient shot. The newscast last night showed the dash cam, which is what I watched (no choking but it was jumpy like someone editted it).

I watched the utube link provided by the OP. If there is another video from the dash cam, I'd love to see it. We don't get a whole lot of USA news (unless it's an Obama speech or something like that) here in Portugal so unless it's on the web, I'm not going to get to watch.

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 7:11:40 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4G37Ouy164

here you go Bita

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 7:21:01 PM

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Your statements: "I felt my life was in danger, I shot to stop the aggressive action." Those are legal defenses. But do not worry, I do not feel you could form the requisite intent.

Actually no. It's a preliminary statement to stall the cops until the lawyer arrives. It tells them nothing about the incident, how it happened or how it began. It simply says exactly what the CHL handbook says to say while awaiting an attorney. The lawyer is the one who handles the legal defense.

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Cops only have that authority over you that you allow.

Incorrect again. Cops, as representatives of the law have the authority the makes of the laws gave them. If a cop ever tells you to "get on the ground now" with a gun pointed at you....I invite you to stand there with your hands in your pockets and tell him to fuck off. See what it gets you.

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My question is whether you have read your posts. And, I agree with you that you are probably getting most of the laughs.

I have read all my posts as I was sitting here while writing them. And by laughs, I mean my posts have gotten the most kudos and attaboys between the two of us. Not that kudos are my goal when posting, but it goes to show who is being the humorous one and who is not.

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 7:26:25 PM

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here is what i saw

a cop pulls up behind an ambulance, there is a car in front of the ambulance. two seconds after the cop pulls up behind them, the car pulls over. the ambulance goes around the car, then, within 6 more seconds, it pulls over. what i cant tell is how fast the ambulance was going. was it safe for it to pull over as quickly as the car did? i dont know. i do know ambulances are top heavy.

second thing i found strange was the cop pulled into a station of some kind. no one got out of cruiser. then they backed up and went after the ambulance. if the cop was there to lend assistance, what happened? he pulled up, there were quite a few cops already there. apparently his help wasnt that needed.

so, less than 20 seconds after pulling into the station, the cop pulls back out and goes after the ambulance. hmmm. they immediately pull over... and the confusion worsens. not a word was spoken by the cop to anyone, either to dispatch or to other officers. a tad bit strange, no?

to be honest, im a bit confused as to why the driver was pulled... why the officer was rushing... and why the poor woman in the ambulance had to wait. from what the family's video shows, the cop lost alot of his cool.

as so many stated before me, the patient should have been first in everyone's mind.

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 7:34:04 PM

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Thank you so much, Tazzy, for the link. I didn't realize this happened over two weeks ago and the dash cam does provide quite a bit more information. I'm going to watch it a few more times.

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 7:44:52 PM

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The car pulled into a station, with other LEO vehicles there. Most cops I know, if they arent on a call will stop to see if another officer (at a separate stop) need assistance. When it seemed the others did NOT, the LEO whose cam we were seeing determined that, he went n his merry way.

Do I think the incident was handled well? No. But the LEO was NOT entirely at fault. By any means.

Act like an ass, get treated like one.

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 7:51:08 PM

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oh no doubt, Greedy. i think the "emt manager" has some fault of his own. i just feel for the poor woman in the ambulance. BUT, i can fault the cop for not keeping a cool head and allowing the ambulance to go on its way, following to finish after the patient had been dealt with. he had no clue what was going on with that woman in the back, and i never once heard him ask.

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 7:59:28 PM

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The poor woman wasnt so dire that she wasnt screaming out for her son to rescue her. Screaming? thats generous.. I make less noise when I'm having my brains fucked silly.....

just sayin'...LOL

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 8:01:03 PM

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Oh sure Greedytop --- just throw that out there and leave minds wandering or is it wondering lol.

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 8:02:01 PM

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The poor woman wasnt so dire that she wasnt screaming out for her son to rescue her. Screaming? thats generous.. I make less noise when I'm having my brains fucked silly.....

just sayin'...LOL

okay. Now this topic is getting interesting.

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 8:02:29 PM

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oops....................

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RE: Oklahoma Cops Attack Paramedics - 6/14/2009 8:14:24 PM

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Okay, if I were sitting on a jury, the driver of the ambulance pulled over as soon as he was physical able. He did yield as soon as it was safe to do so and again as soon as the cop car pulled up behind him. I noticed that even then, it took the ambulance just a wee bit longer to come to a complete stop. As far as whether or not he did some sort of 'gesture' as the cop exclaimed is unknown, but giving the benefit of the doubt to the driver, I would make the assumption that, like most drivers in the Southern regions, he was simply acknowledging the cop car and set about with his compliance to yield. My verdit for a failure to yeild ticket for the driver? Not guilty.

The paramedic got out of the back of the ambulance and tried to take command of the situation. He failed to follow the instruction of the cop to return to the vehicle, and when the cop told the driver to go up to the front, he did say 'no' to the driver and put out a hand to restrain the driver from compliance .. that's obstruction. Count 1.

The paramedic when told he was under arrest from the other video, and he pulled away - that was resisting. Count 2

The cop was aggressive from what he preceived was a 'hand gesture' and failure to yield, and when he leaves the squad car, the back door opens and this big guy gets out as though he has the authority in the situation over the driver but it's a traffic stop, they aren't on code and if he'd have just gotten his happy ass back into the ambulance, let the driver get the ticket, they'd have been on their way to the hospital. I think the size of the paramedic may have intimidated the cop a bit so it tweaked his own testosterone even more than it already was .. then the guy didn't comply with his instruction to get his ass back in the ambulance. The paramedic expressed that he was not going to comply until they got their patient to the hospital. But for the paramedics decision not to comply, none of the rest of what happened would have taken place. The cop probably would have just issued the citation and nothing would have been blown out of proportion.

The cop acted like an ass but that's not against the law. The paramedic acted like as ass which is not againt the law but when you fail to comply, when you obstruct, when you resist.. those 'are' against the law.

Count 1, obstruction - guilty
Count 2, resisting - guilty

That said, I'd want that paramedic back on the streets to come pick me up if I were ever in need because his patient was his first priority and I really liked that. He did break the law .. he'll need to pay for the consequence of that. The price should not be too heavy though. Slap on the wrist will do. Small fine, court costs, 48 hours jail time - suspended. If I were the paramedic, I'd plead out and go back to work.

As for the cop .. anger management classes, a slap on his wrist and desk duty until he successfully completes anger management courses.

That's my verdict and sentence.

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