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LadyPact -> RE: A very interesting question I found online :D (6/15/2009 7:49:00 PM)

Funny thing about this.  Many of the femdoms that I know require their submissives to hold the door for them.  It's considered part of their service and lends toward making their lives easier.  Not to mention, it also allows her to go through the door first, as in lead, the way some female Dominants feel that it should be.




rednicky -> RE: A very interesting question I found online :D (6/15/2009 7:55:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GYPZYQUEEN

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ORIGINAL: rednicky


even though they don't like high maintenance girls, they do like to provide.


ok I had to...
they don't "like high maintenance girls"..???
ok so they like hair that is not done? nails not kept.? shitty torn clothes?no make-up? shows all worn out? ripped old stockings? a moustache?unkept brows?rough skin?zits?that the woman is not working out?
They do not like to see/or do not likeĀ a HIGHLY MAINTAINED woman?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
but they like to provide??..so they will give money for food..or what.. a meal out..a shoulder to cry on..beers? a rose?
but have a shit fit if their LITTLE GIRL wants hair do money? facial care? a day at the spa?a brazilian?


so then the woman is paying for the maintenance ..fine..
but then she is INDEPENDENTĀ !!! isn't she??
..she is not submissive but taking her appearance and maintenance seriously for herself..

I See another book here.."
HIGH MAINTENANCE Women and the Men WHO LOVE THEM


GQ







I didn't say men don't like highly maintained women. I said they don't like high maintenance women. A woman can look fabulous on a modest budget all by herself. She could use bargain make-up and eat at Mcdonalds and be happy, gorgeous, and 'highly maintained'. A high maintenance woman needs MAC make up and HAS to eat out at least twice a week. A high maintenance woman wants to constantly be spoiled or else she throws a fit. Don't believe me? Look it up. Just google the definition of a high maintenance woman. There is a difference between providing and being obligated to spoil non-stop.

So much for experience...




MidnightKat5000 -> RE: A very interesting question I found online :D (6/15/2009 8:08:24 PM)

It sounds to me as if you are trying to change her or force her into being something she clearly isn't.  I am only an outsider, but it seems to me a little selfish.




DavanKael -> RE: A very interesting question I found online :D (6/15/2009 8:09:50 PM)

I haven't read all of the posts but just from reading the guy's premise, sounds much like what I'm lookin' for in a partner and much like I am in terms of being comfortable 'being one of the guys' but, unlike the girl he describes, being treated more traditionally like a lady as well. 
Either they'll work it out or not.  3 years is certainly beyond the 'honeymoon' stage, so probably what he sees is what he's got. 
  Davan




WyldHrt -> RE: A very interesting question I found online :D (6/15/2009 8:20:34 PM)

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I am only an outsider, but it seems to me a little selfish.

Very good point, MK. At it's core, this is what it is about. He wants her, loves her, blah, blah.... but on his terms,  no matter how she happens to feel about it. He complains that her independence makes him feel like less of a man (his issue, IMO), but doesn't seem to consider how being turned into "his little girl" will effect her own self image and sense of self worth.




fluffypet61 -> RE: A very interesting question I found online :D (6/15/2009 8:22:02 PM)

You know...i have come across a lot of (vanilla) men who do NOT want to provide for their GF/wife.  They shack up with her and her baby as long as she gets a check.  When the check stops he moves out and on to another woman who gets a check.  He never has a job and she waits hand and foot on him.
 
BUT.... that doesn't mean that all men are like this.




rednicky -> RE: A very interesting question I found online :D (6/15/2009 8:28:36 PM)

Right, when you look at it, a relationship like this has no chance. But when I think more about his question, I can't help but feel like it would be a mistake to let the relationship fall apart right now. It's only because I'm thinking of the girl. She reminds me of myself. She's f*cking awesome. And I'd hate it if I had a great guy and had a great relationship but he called it of after 3 years because I wasn't submissive enough. I keep asking myself "Would I compromise and be more submissive for him because I love him or would I stay defiant simply because of his attitude about my behavior?"




DarkSteven -> RE: A very interesting question I found online :D (6/15/2009 9:08:53 PM)

nicky, you're 20.  I can guarantee you that in three years from now, you will have changed, perhaps a lot.

The key is communication.  You will grow and he will grow, but hopefully you can be aware of each other's changes and "countergrow".  If you decide to take up welding as a hobby, it's your man's responsibility to do it with you, or to not do it with you.  But if it's a big part of your life, he needs to at least be aware of it.

Chasms don't happen overnight.




GYPZYQUEEN -> RE: A very interesting question I found online :D (6/15/2009 9:11:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rednicky

There is a difference between providing and being obligated to spoil non-stop.

So much for experience...


Ok I see what you mean  yes  good point  ..
from personal experience comes personal response...

ty  GQ





daddysliloneds -> RE: A very interesting question I found online :D (6/15/2009 9:29:05 PM)

i'll tell you what the problem is, coming from a girls point of view that pretty much went through this same exact scenario, save for the door opening parts, in the last three years...

the problem is, he needs her to need him, so she begins to need him more and more, which he is perfectly content with because he got his way...

yet, the more she needs him, the more he backs away because the responsibility is more than he wants/needs after-all but he doesn't tell her; the more he backs away, the less she wants him; the less she wants him, the worse he treats her, resentment builds, and before you know it, it's over.





WyldHrt -> RE: A very interesting question I found online :D (6/15/2009 9:42:13 PM)

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But when I think more about his question, I can't help but feel like it would be a mistake to let the relationship fall apart right now. It's only because I'm thinking of the girl. She reminds me of myself. She's f*cking awesome. And I'd hate it if I had a great guy and had a great relationship but he called it of after 3 years because I wasn't submissive enough. I keep asking myself "Would I compromise and be more submissive for him because I love him or would I stay defiant simply because of his attitude about my behavior?"

First off, you're asking the wrong question. The real questions are, "Am I willing to become something I'm really not in order to keep this relationship?", and. "How much of my core self can/ will I be able to change (without resentment) to make this work?"

That said- given the OP, we have only his word about the "great guy, great relationship" deal, now don't we? From her point of view, the situation may have surpassed annoying on it's way to intolerable. And while his question seems almost innocuous- "How do I get her to be a LITTLE needy, a LITTLE submissive", the rest of his post makes it obvious that this is horseshit. He isn't going to settle for "a little" anything, he wants the whole submissive female/ man in charge,/needy little girl enchilada.

Hopefully, she will consider this carefully, because I see a train wreck waiting to happen.




AlexandraLynch -> RE: A very interesting question I found online :D (6/15/2009 9:44:07 PM)

Actions don't tell you a damn thing about who is submissive.

I don't work outside the home. Am I submissively knowing my place in the home or am I freed to work on my novel as he serves me financially? If he opens the door for me, is it because he is dominant or because he is submissive? If I lay out his clothing for work tomorrow, am I submissive or just taking care of him? If I am sitting in the passenger seat, is it because I have given over control of where I go and where we stop, or because I don't want to bother with the details of driving, I want to relax and look at the scenery?

It all depends on how people do things, and I think it's a huge mistake to decide that certain things denote either submission or dominance in all cases. As a dominant, I frequently will say to submissives, "On that issue, I trust that your appearance/actions will honor your collar," or "Apart from what I've shown you, you may handle the work as you see fit as long as it gets done to standard." That's not non-caring, that's trust and a dislike of deciding between "The pink one and the magenta one? The magenta one with black lace or the one with magenta lace? With black ribbon, or should I take it out and put in another color ribbon?What color?" (That just drives me batshit, and I tend to get snippy.)




NihilusZero -> RE: A very interesting question I found online :D (6/15/2009 10:05:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jeninvegas

I don't think her self-efficiency is meant to emasculate him.

And yet it does.

I don't even get any sense of actual 'Domliness' from the diatribe...just a guy worried that he can't use his relationship to reinforce his testosterone in the ways he'd like.




ChasingOblivion -> RE: A very interesting question I found online :D (6/15/2009 10:20:46 PM)

Honestly, I don't know what this guy's issue is. He knew what she was like when they started dating, and it's not as though she's changed, or is suddenly demanding to be "above" him. She just wants to be an equal partner, and if his feelings on that have changed, then that's something he needs to address within himself.
Personally, I can understand where she's coming from. I am very sexually submissive, and much more submissive in general to my Dominant (when I am in a relationship, which at present I am not) than I would be to the average person.
However, in public life, I am a fiercely independent opinionated bitch with a zero-tolerance policy for any kind of stupid. I find it intensely irritating when anyone opens a door for me, pulls out my chair, etc. (unless I have an armload of heavy packages or something) because I can do it myself and I find it condescending.
Also, when I was dating I didn't like to let men buy my dinner. It had nothing to do with gender roles though. I just didn't like the assumption that some of my less-than-enlightened dates made as to what I should feel obligated to do as a thank you for the meal. But, in a three year relationship, that wouldn't be a concern. I mean, I'm fairly independent, but if giving up something small, like paying for a meal would make my partner that happy then I'd certainly do it. I'm sure if he actually talked to his girlfriend about his feelings instead of writing to an advice column she'd be willing to make some compromises. It's entirely possible that she really doesn't know how much it bothers him, and it's not as though he's asking her to quit her job and stay home to bake cookies all day.     




oceanwinds -> RE: A very interesting question I found online :D (6/16/2009 5:30:04 AM)

If I read this correctly, the letter in the OP is from a 'vanilla' guy who is in a vanilla relationship. He seeks a female who can look up to him and let him take the lead. Perhaps he has feelings of a Daddy Dom and is just understanding that. From her responses a "Daddy Dom" would turn her off. After 3 years , the basic core structure in what both need individuallyis still  in this relationship. Because there is such a difference in what they need, he is not feeling honored.

I do not believe you can change the core essence in a person. Her own core needs of a relationship actually must come first for her to live in a relationship. He must also honor his core needs.  In my life, I would have no room for a Daddy Dom. It would be a complete turn off to me. I never gone for that type of man, so to try to change what is not in me would actually be cheating both people, him and me, of a positive experience.




antipode -> RE: A very interesting question I found online :D (6/16/2009 5:40:39 AM)

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I feel like most men in the world want women who 'need' and depend on them


Ah.. I thikn you are making a rather large assumption here - not only that, but "the world" is a rather undefined place, and if you're making statements that include Taliban marriages it becomes a rather meaningless conversation. If you're into generalization, anything you say is completely true, whatever it is, always.




DesFIP -> RE: A very interesting question I found online :D (6/16/2009 5:52:55 AM)

Doesn't have anything to do with submission or dominance in my book. Just her insecurities that if she depends on anyone else for anything, she'll get hurt. My recommendation? Couples councelling followed by individual therapy followed by couples councilling.

He's confused about what a partner needs to be, she's afraid of interdependence. They aren't ready for marriage. But a submissive woman isn't someone who you buy, which is what he appears to be looking for, someone he controls through money. If all he has to offer is money, then he isn't an alpha male.




sirsholly -> RE: A very interesting question I found online :D (6/16/2009 6:12:36 AM)

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I get my girlfriend to act like a freaking girl?! How do I get her to be a little needy?! Be a little submissive?! Be a WOMAN?!"
whats this crap? An implication that to qualify as a woman one must be needy and submissive?




MissIsis -> RE: A very interesting question I found online :D (6/16/2009 6:17:30 AM)

I could never understand why some men, particularly the ones I have been involved with, feel they have to be needed in order to feel loved.  I know this doesn't apply to everyone, but it seems like most men in the circles I have been involved in, feel this way.  




agirl -> RE: A very interesting question I found online :D (6/16/2009 6:25:01 AM)

I've come across this with men in my life before.

All the things that attracted them in the first instance, such as....... being able to change the wheel on the car, not fussing about things like a bit of mess, not peering in a mirror every half hour to check my make-up and not needing a stream of compliments, or gifts etc etc......were fine for a while. But there'd come a time when they realised that I REALLY was like that and it became less attractive. They wanted to impress or affect me in the ways that THEY wanted to. Although they didn't actually express it, as this chap has, it became clear as they *tried* to push what THEY wanted to be like, on me. I couldn't possibly *lean* on someone if I'm perfectly capable of sorting things out for myself. It's a silly contortion. If I need to lean, and there's the correct person there, with the skills, willing and able ....I'll lean.

He's not in a relationship where it's agreed that HE decides things. It's no use just wishing or hoping.......If you've got an independant, self-sufficient lady, unless you ACTUALLY agree together that ONE of you has the *say*, you're just pissing in the wind. She just doesn't appear to *need* him in the way he wants to be *needed*. There's only a fight for power because he's fighting for something she either doesn't want, doesn't need and is, possibly, oblivious to.

But, she doesn't let me provide anything for her.
Unless she's bloody-minded, she may not have seen anything you can provide that she can't, or is interested in.

But now, the man in me wants to come out.
Where was he for the last 3 yrs?

I want her to need things from me.
Because it'd make you feel better about yourself? ........but perhaps, not her.

I don't want her to be totally self sufficient.
Because it'd make you feel better about yourself?...but perhaps, not her.

I want her to need things from me.
Because it'd make you feel better about yourself? ....but perhaps, not her.

I do want my girlfriend to be a little submissive to me.
Nothing wrong with that  at all........but you've been more than content with her as she's been thus far.

I just want to be the stronger one in her life.
If you are, then you are. If you're not, then you're not. You can't just *want* it and expect it to occur.

I want to be the rock that she leans on.
If you are, then you are. If she hasn't found she needs you as that, would you like her to pretend to?

A man wants to leader
Certainly, some men do. But you have to have someone who recognises that in YOU and wants it in the way YOU do it.

I want her to be my little girl.
It doesn't look like she does, though.

want to protect her and provide for her and be a man.
All super sentiments if you're with someone that also wants that ....from YOU, in the way you'd do it.

I want to be the Dominant alpha male in her life.
Then you have to find out how to do that...instead of looking at her as slightly faulty.


How can I get my girlfriend to act like a freaking girl?! How do I get her to be a little needy?! Be a little submissive?! Be a WOMAN?!"
If you want someone to *need* you, you have to provide something they need. If you want them to be a *little submissive*, give them something they can be submissive TO. Unless you have an agreement, you'll have to provide it; it doesn't spring out of the ether.

As for the *being a woman* part.....She is.....She's just not fitting your idea of what you WANT as one, at the moment.

Often, when we get what we THINK we want, we find we lose what we had. All that green grass can give you a massive belly-ache, you know.

I wonder what SHE wants?

agirl














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