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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:18:54 AM

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:20:08 AM

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*ahem* So...because you have a bit of a hang up with a woman nursing, SHE should have to move so you can go on pretending that children magically grow without eating?

"If you're going to nurse in public, that's fine as long as you're willing to *move* to private if someone (yes, like me) has an issue with it (or if it's included in a terms of service for wherever you're at). I shouldn't need to explain why I have an issue with it; I have one, and as a fellow customer it's up to the managers/owners to mediate that, otherwise they're like to lose one (or more) customers in the future. Simplicities of business."

Great in theory, except in many states, you'll lose - it's illegal at least 12 states to eject a mother for nursing her child. And quite honestly, any place that did bend to your bizarro demands wouldn't have to worry about it in short time. Nursing moms *talk*. And we'll either avoid a place that's breastfeeding-unfriendly, or we'll swamp that bitch to teach 'em a lesson; nursing moms can nurse without putting on an Xrated show.

Y'know, if you have some kind of hang up with the exchange of bodily fluids, maybe you should have the guy next to you who just sneezed kicked out too. And that girl two booths down who just coughed without covering her mouth. They at least have a chance of getting you sick. i don't see that happening from my child being nursed.

And to address your dear sainted mother - she's coming a from a period of time when formula was being introduce as superior to breastmilk...give you any clue as to the attitudes and knowledge of the times? Breastfeeding was viewed as primitive and below many women in the US, hence the negative outlook on it.

Try having me moved from your sight while i'm nursing, and if the cops get involved, it won't be because i didn't move. It will be because it was ilegal to ask it of me.

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:22:40 AM

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Bathrooms often stink too. Sometimes there's not much room to maneuver, People go in there to do stinky private business, I do not want to stand in some place and smell other people's shitting and pissing, And I'm not trying to feed a baby. Also there's no seating other than a toilet, and those don't even have seat lids, just a seat, and who wants their ass hanging over a toilet hole when they're not trying to use said toilet. And if you should choose to stand up say by the sinks, or by the stalls, when ever any one needs to use the sink or the stall you're in their way. In a particularly busy bathroom this is an annoyance too. I don't want any one who's just come from a toilet stall bumping elbow's with me while trying to get to the sink. If I had a baby, I would want it even less.

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What's unsanitary about it? Are you having the baby lick the floor/walls/sink/toilets? Are you rubbing your breast on any of the above?

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:22:44 AM

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If you're going to nurse in public, that's fine as long as you're willing to *move* to private if someone (yes, like me) has an issue with it (or if it's included in a terms of service for wherever you're at). I shouldn't need to explain why I have an issue with it; I have one, and as a fellow customer it's up to the managers/owners to mediate that, otherwise they're like to lose one (or more) customers in the future. Simplicities of business.

just becuase you are "uncomfy" with something doesnt' mean someone else has to be put out. i'm uncomfy with lots of things from assholes i have to share public space with, to people that chew with their mouths open, etc. at some point you just have to buck up and deal, learn to ignore things if you have to.

you go out in public, you deal with the public. don't like it? stay home and stop expecting everyone else to cow tow to your "delicate" senses.

and before you huff and puff at me for telling you to stay home, think of what you're asking others to do to accomodate you and what you think is appropriate or not.

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:24:03 AM

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http://www.ncsl.org/IssuesResearch/Health/BreastfeedingLaws/tabid/14389/Default.aspx

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:28:27 AM

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Ok so what about a slutty dress with significant bewbage hanging out? Is that bad too?

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:30:23 AM

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well, it depends on how ya define 'slutty'.

Based on what I am seeing here, I think there are some who feel that if the dress isn't Victorian era (i.e. high collar to ankle), it's slutty.

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:32:19 AM

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Maybe in your state, not in mine.

And they don't need to give that as the reason for denial of service.

"I assert my right as manager/owner of this private establishment to deny service to anyone for any reason" and bam, the nursing mother doesn't have a leg to stand on; she must leave... as far as I know, no state has ever compelled any establishment to serve people when using that to expel them (or upheld the expelled person's 'right' to be on their private property).

But this is only in the case of someone who refuses to move to a private area. It would be the same as me talking loudly, or lewdly, and upsetting the gentleman down a couple tables. If I'm asked to move/quiet down/whatever and do not, they can deny me service. Quite simply, they *have* a valid reason, even if they *don't* use it. "Mr. Aravain was upsetting other customers with his behavior" is enough of a reason to eject anyone legally. Notice how behavior is unspecified? The courts (or the government) can't compell a service/salesperson to sell to someone in a group setting who is upsetting other customers.

You may be allowed to breast feed, legally, in PUBLIC, but in a restaurant you're in private property, where it is *not* your right to be there. You can be ejected at any time without a reason given (even if that reason is that you're breast feeding and refuse to do so elsewhere, if they eject you without using that as the reason, there's no legality issue).

The fact that it IS illegal in those 12 states signals a strangeness to me, especially if, as you imply, it covers PRIVATE property where they are receiving/purchasing a service.

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I have *never* tried to hide my distaste for female genitalia, however, I *would* (and DO) have a problem with similar displays (discreet or not) of male genitalia in public, too, for what it's worth. And I dunno anyone irl who'd call me a prude.

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:34:01 AM

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hon.. Here's what the OH law states re: breastfeeding...

" Ohio Rev. Code Ann. § 3781.55 (2005) provides that a mother is entitled to breastfeed her baby in any location of a place of public accommodation wherein the mother is otherwise permitted. (SB 41)"

a restaurant is considered a public place.

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:35:42 AM

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I will say that I'm disappointed in Loki's posts (sorry cupcake, but most women couldn't do the "princess in a bed being waited on" thing even if they wanted to).

That's ok, darlin'. I'm not going to marry 'most women.' No man can marry that many women, not even in Utah. ;)

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:37:18 AM

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"Private" property is someone's home. A place of business is by its nature public property.

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:37:52 AM

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Yep, you're right. The management should break the damn laws so you can continue sticking your head in the proverbial sand.

Or...you could just not look. If you have such a problem with womanly bodies in the first place, maybe you *should* stay home.

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:37:52 AM

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...as long as i do so in a dirty smelly public restroom.

So is this the same as admitting that not only do women fart, but it does in fact stink?

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:40:25 AM

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of course not, Loki!! Women 'poot', and it is scented of roses!!

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:40:39 AM

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....let us discuss moobs and beer guts.

Indeed.....and 'back boobs' on women.

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:41:06 AM

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It has a lot to do with Judeo-Christian societal upbringing. Look but don't touch, touch but don't feel good about it. If you do feel good about things like that, you are a sinner. It may not be put like that, but the US society has been repressed in many ways as to behavior, and then brainwashed in others by advertising and the media. I listened to a lecture once, that explained these mixed signals that society sends, causes some really screwed up ideas of right and wrong, where the consistancy of right and wrong do not flow, often at odds with one another from situation to situation.

Most women I have seen breast feed in public, do so discreetly. It is nosy, prying eyed, hypocritical "do gooders" that actually cause the problem.

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There's obviously a huge disconnect in some people's minds. While they seem to be more than accepting of Western culture's objectification of women's bodies (I have yet to see them complain at the naked bits and bobs - slits and boobs - that are regularly flaunted on the front of this website), they balk at these bodies executing what nature intended. At the same time, they refuse to confront their fears and to explore the reasons for their disgust.

It's weird, perverse, and totally fucked up .

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:42:12 AM

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:42:12 AM

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:43:02 AM

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It has a lot to do with Judeo-Christian societal upbringing. Look but don't touch, touch but don't feel good about it. If you do feel good about things like that, you are a sinner. It may not be put like that, but the US society has been repressed in many ways as to behavior, and then brainwashed in others by advertising and the media. I listened to a lecture once, that explained these mixed signals that society sends, causes some really screwed up ideas of right and wrong, where the consistancy of right and wrong do not flow, often at odds with one another from situation to situation.

Most women I have seen breast feed in public, do so discreetly. It is nosy, prying eyed, hypocritical "do gooders" that actually cause the problem.

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

There's obviously a huge disconnect in some people's minds. While they seem to be more than accepting of Western culture's objectification of women's bodies (I have yet to see them complain at the naked bits and bobs - slits and boobs - that are regularly flaunted on the front of this website), they balk at these bodies executing what nature intended. At the same time, they refuse to confront their fears and to explore the reasons for their disgust.

It's weird, perverse, and totally fucked up .

oops.. edited for quoting format..

I so totally agree, Orion...

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:43:51 AM

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Rofl at nursing belligerently . "Nursing belligerently"?!!! That's hilarious.

Is that the same as nursing angry? "Suck it....suck it you lil shit machine!!!"

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