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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:45:24 AM   
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Rofl at nursing belligerently  . "Nursing belligerently"?!!! That's hilarious.


Is that the same as nursing angry? "Suck it....suck it you lil shit machine!!!"




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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:47:10 AM   
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Then quite frankly it's her and your hang up over the issue, and the women it don't bother and who're quite fine with it should just keep on feeding their baby where THEY choose, and not in some bathroom where there's no place to sit unless you want to sit on a toilet ,  because you feel they should.


Unfortunately these days, things don't work like that. We literally have become a nation of "it's your problem not mine" to one of "I don't like what he/she/it is doing so it must be stopped.' Just look at how most places are banning smoking, for one example. The health risks not withstanding. Or someone getting offended over language someone else uses. It's the same concept. It's *my* issue if I don't like your foul mouth in a restaurant.....but yet I can complain and either have you ejected or have you arrested in some extreme circumstances.

As I said before, the world is fucked....in more ways than one.


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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:47:38 AM   
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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:48:00 AM   
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Ohio's (my state) mention of the 'law'

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Ohio Rev. Code Ann. § 3781.55 (2005) provides that a mother is entitled to breastfeed her baby in any location of a place of public accommodation wherein the mother is otherwise permitted


An owner/manager need give no reason why you are no longer permitted. Period. I think that should be upheld with their rights.

What this says to me is that they can't be evicted from a place like, say, a State Park, or city-owned playground. In those situations, I would agree that I would have no right to request they seek privacy, however when I'm paying to be somewhere I'm expecting a certain degree of ability to enjoy my meal, and yes it would make me lose my appetite.

@intenze

No, I don't like excessive amounts of skin shown in dress, even when it's considered 'slutty'. I think that the perfect, most scandalous dress a woman can own is one of those simple black numbers that shows off their body by not showing it, quite honestly. Modesty can be infinitely more provacative than being half naked. I don't mind a little cleavage in a dress, but if the neck-line comes within a couple inches of your nipples lets be honest, you're not wearing a dress, you're wearing a stretch of cloth. Slutty, to me, isn't a manner of dress, it's a demeanor, an attitude that you carry yourself with; it can be a banner waved proudly or a horrible secret, depending on the slut in question (I know I do quite a bit of waving it myself).

@All others who are taking a 'hostile' approach in telling me to 'shut up and deal with it'

I have just as much right to complain to a manager because someone is breastfeeding in the restaurant I'm *paying* to be at, as I do because someone is being destructive to property, or loud and crude, or etc. etc. etc. It is a behavior that inhibits MY ability to enjoy MY time, and it is up to the Manager to rectify that situation (either diplomatically if they can, or by asking one/both of us to leave).

I do not go out into public places (parks and such) unless forced because I *like* having this ability of requesting a change, as a patron of where I'm at (note: Not specifically to avoid breastfeeding women  that would be silly and paranoid). A restaurant is, simply, NOT a public place, it's a private place that the owner invites the public into, at HIS/HER discretion.

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:48:38 AM   
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The fact that it IS illegal in those 12 states signals a strangeness to me, especially if, as you imply, it covers PRIVATE property where they are receiving/purchasing a service.


So basically, what you're saying here is because -you- can't manage to keep your eyes on your own plate, and pay attention to your own business, another person who is using her body for the purpose for which it was created and who is not paying -any- attention to YOU should have to inconvenience herself and her child, just so you can further your own biased and puritanical pursuits.

BS.

My advice. Ignore nursing mothers. If you don't want to look at titties, don't look. I don't like to look at porn magazines, so guess what, I don't look. I don't like to look at South Park. So guess what, I don't look.

If you don't want to see it, don't LEGISLATE... just mind your own damned business!

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:49:11 AM   
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Likewise I *really* do not want to see vagina. Really. Been there, tried a taste, tasted bad. My first reaction on seeing a vagina in real life (granted, I was young)? "Ew... that's gross."


This reminds me of the movie Superbad:

"Evan: You could always subscribe to a site like Perfect Ten. I mean that could be anything, it could be a bowling site.
Seth: Yeah, but it doesn't actually show dick going in which is a huge concern.
Evan: Right, I didn't realize that.
Seth: Besides, have you ever seen a vagina by itself?
Evan: No.
Seth: [shakes his head] Not for me."

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:50:46 AM   
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Based on what I am seeing here, I think there are some who feel that if the dress isn't Victorian era (i.e. high collar to ankle), it's slutty.


Greedy??? Are you not wearing a bustle? How lewd!


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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:51:38 AM   
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http://www.ncsl.org/IssuesResearch/Health/BreastfeedingLaws/tabid/14389/Default.aspx


Yes, so any nursing mothers should print this and cary it with them so that you can whip it out and let those jerkmos know that they are violating the law by ousting you and they will be hearing from your lawyer.

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:52:27 AM   
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of course not, Loki!!  Women 'poot', and it is scented of roses!! 


Well then ladies' rooms can't 'possibly' be stinky and smelly can they?


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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:53:36 AM   
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DAMMIT LOKI!!!!!!


*wipes beverage from monitor and tries to ignore the ouchy factor of carbonated fluid exiting through nose*


Heh...I knew that'd get someone.


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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:55:12 AM   
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So basically, what you're saying here is because -you- can't manage to keep your eyes on your own plate, and pay attention to your own business, another person who is using her body for the purpose for which it was created and who is not paying -any- attention to YOU should have to inconvenience herself and her child, just so you can further your own biased and puritanical pursuits.


Not that I'm in total disagreement with you per se......you could theoretically apply this logic to a crying infant in a theater. "What, you're going to inconvenience a poor mother just because you can't tune out the cries of an infant during your movie?"


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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:55:25 AM   
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I have just as much right to complain to a manager because someone is breastfeeding in the restaurant I'm *paying* to be at, as I do because someone is being destructive to property, or loud and crude, or etc. etc. etc. It is a behavior that inhibits MY ability to enjoy MY time, and it is up to the Manager to rectify that situation (either diplomatically if they can, or by asking one/both of us to leave).

I do not go out into public places (parks and such) unless forced because I *like* having this ability of requesting a change, as a patron of where I'm at (note: Not specifically to avoid breastfeeding women that would be silly and paranoid). A restaurant is, simply, NOT a public place, it's a private place that the owner invites the public into, at HIS/HER discretion.


I disagree. In going out to an establishment that is -not- ones' home, one's rights are impeded by the needs and desires of everyone around you. While you -can- complain, that doesn't make it -right- to complain. After all, you are taking -your- comfort and putting it ahead of another customer's comfort, and that is every bit as inappropriate as if someone were to complain to the manager that you have to move because you -sit- funny.

Our participation in activities that require us to share space with other human beings requires that we agree, for the time in which we are present, to accept that others' processes will be different and that we will, occasionally, be subjected to things that we don't like. I have trouble with restaurants because I am very sensitive to perfumes, and yet I have no right to tell other people in the restaurant not to wear perfume when they go out to dinner, or to require special arrangements from the manager. If I have an issue, I am welcome to leave the restaurant, and frankly, that is the only 'right' which I should expect. If it is -convenient- for the other person and the manager, I may be able to either move my seat or have them move theirs... but if it isn't, using my feet is my -only- right in a public venue.

I would also disagree that breastfeeding can be compared to public violence or property destruction. In either of those cases, someone or something else is being hurt by the action. Breastfeeding hurts nothing but the sensibilities of people who can't grasp the idea that breasts were -made- to nurse babies, and that is a -personal- problem.

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:56:08 AM   
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thanks for the link, GreedyTop...

Ohio's (my state) mention of the 'law'

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Ohio Rev. Code Ann. § 3781.55 (2005) provides that a mother is entitled to breastfeed her baby in any location of a place of public accommodation wherein the mother is otherwise permitted


An owner/manager need give no reason why you are no longer permitted. Period. I think that should be upheld with their rights.

What this says to me is that they can't be evicted from a place like, say, a State Park, or city-owned playground. In those situations, I would agree that I would have no right to request they seek privacy, however when I'm paying to be somewhere I'm expecting a certain degree of ability to enjoy my meal, and yes it would make me lose my appetite.
snip


re: the red text

so the following are ok?

i own this place and i hate fat folks-you must leave.

i own this place and i hate black folks-you must leave.

i own this place and i hate homosexuals-you must leave.

i own this place and i hate paisley skirts-you must leave.

i could go on and get plum silly, but i think this makes my point



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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:56:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Loki, the ones I have seen are trashed, especially in malls. Otherwise the stalls are too damned small to move about in and lets not forget the lines. At least the public areas are clean are available for nursing (I even nursed in a Radio Shack because I knew the manager).



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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:58:41 AM   
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Loki, the ones I have seen are trashed, especially in malls. Otherwise the stalls are too damned small to move about in and lets not forget the lines. At least the public areas are clean are available for nursing (I even nursed in a Radio Shack because I knew the manager).


Come on now, I'm kidding. Why aren't you cleaning soda off your monitor like Greedy?


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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 9:59:01 AM   
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Not that I'm in total disagreement with you per se......you could theoretically apply this logic to a crying infant in a theater. "What, you're going to inconvenience a poor mother just because you can't tune out the cries of an infant during your movie?"



Actually, it's not the same. Breastfeeding is a perceptual/visual 'distraction' that does not interfere in anyone else's ability to go on with their daily life. It does not impede someone else's ability to pay attention to a meal or hear a concert. All it requires is paying attention to one's own business. On the other hand, a crying baby in a theater damages the experience for the attendees. It is intrusive, rather than obtrusive.

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 10:00:19 AM   
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Loki, the ones I have seen are trashed, especially in malls. Otherwise the stalls are too damned small to move about in and lets not forget the lines. At least the public areas are clean are available for nursing (I even nursed in a Radio Shack because I knew the manager).


Let me ask a question of the folks who are advocating sending moms to the bathroom to nurse. Do -you- take your chicken wings or sub sandwich into the toilet to have lunch? Then why expect a baby to eat in the toilet???

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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 10:00:26 AM   
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Lushy, no, thats not what I was saying.  I was just making the point that despite what some folks think, breastfeeding in public is LEGAL almost everywhere in the US.  (oddly enough, restaurants are considered PUBLIC)


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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 10:02:27 AM   
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Actually, it's not the same. Breastfeeding is a perceptual/visual 'distraction' that does not interfere in anyone else's ability to go on with their daily life. It does not impede someone else's ability to pay attention to a meal or hear a concert. All it requires is paying attention to one's own business. On the other hand, a crying baby in a theater damages the experience for the attendees. It is intrusive, rather than obtrusive.


Ok, I'll make it the same then.

What about those boys that love to wear those lovely shirts with slogans like "Suck my cock" of "Fuck off, wanker" (not actual shirts, mind you, but there are very vulgar ones I can't think of at the moment). Why can they be made to leave/cover up, etc just because someone doesn't like their shirt? Why should, if I were such a person to wear such a shirt, give a shit who could see my shirt? Don't like it? Don't look.

Yet that's not the way our society works anymore. If you don't like my shirt, you then have power to stop it. It's not how it should be, I agree, but that's how it is now.


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RE: Breastfeeding, taboo or not - 6/17/2009 10:03:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm saying that, if for any reason, the behavior of another patron is bothering me I have the right to complain to the manager, who has the right to request a change in behavior, or deny service to that person (whether the reasons are connected or not).

I'm bothered by a few things that would cause me to talk to management the moment I see it. Breast feeding *is* one of these things, yes.

It boggles my mind how I'm minding *anyone's*  business but my own in this instance. It's *DISRUPTING* my business, therefore, I'm minding it!

Looking more into it, it looks like that provision of the law was added in 2005 (oddly, the year I stopped working in food service  and started college that fall) ... however, with how it's worded, I'd expect that in *both* of the cases I witnessed as a worker there would still have been no infringement of liberty, since in the one case when the manager asked the woman to leave, he asserted his right to deny service for any reason (and did not give a reason; he's not required to). In the other instance the woman gladly went into our manager's office, where she nursed for five-ten minutes then went back to her table (no loss of liberty at all).

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