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RE: Authority of the Bible? - 6/25/2009 12:51:22 PM   
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RE: Authority of the Bible? - 6/25/2009 12:55:28 PM   
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RE: Authority of the Bible? - 6/25/2009 2:56:14 PM   
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If  A Chritian is right about what they believe in, they have everything to gain.
If they are wrong they lose nothing.
 
If a non Christian does not believe and he is wrong, then he loses everything.
 
Why take that chance? Hum?
 
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So the OP asks, why believe? And the only reason you can offer is - just to be on the safe side?

I somehow doubt that'll be enough to persuade him.





Do you honestly believe he is looking to be persuaded? I got the feeling from the OP that this was a good excuse to take a jab at those who believe in the bible. Not sure why anyone cares what someone else believes, but I get the impression from some of the posters that it is very important to them.

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RE: Authority of the Bible? - 6/25/2009 3:11:08 PM   
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If  A Chritian is right about what they believe in, they have everything to gain.
If they are wrong they lose nothing.
 
If a non Christian does not believe and he is wrong, then he loses everything.
 
Why take that chance? Hum?
 
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So the OP asks, why believe? And the only reason you can offer is - just to be on the safe side?

I somehow doubt that'll be enough to persuade him.





Do you honestly believe he is looking to be persuaded? I got the feeling from the OP that this was a good excuse to take a jab at those who believe in the bible. Not sure why anyone cares what someone else believes, but I get the impression from some of the posters that it is very important to them.


If the bible is true it clearly states its teachings need to be the center of my life and the center of the lives of those I contact. This obviously shouts YHVH needs to be a centerpiece of my life which it is not.  I have been unable to find any reasonable reason why I should believe why the authority of the bible takes precedence over any other holy book.  With no innuendo implied I ask if you or anyone else has anything intelligent to add I am very interested in hearing about it and discussing it.

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RE: Authority of the Bible? - 6/25/2009 3:12:13 PM   
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Do you honestly believe he is looking to be persuaded? I got the feeling from the OP that this was a good excuse to take a jab at those who believe in the bible. Not sure why anyone cares what someone else believes, but I get the impression from some of the posters that it is very important to them.


Not sure why?

Taking a jab?  Yeah.  And yes it's kind of important.

How about questioning why there is a need in this country for people to throw their religion in other's faces.

How about questioning why the "believers" feel it is not only their right but their duty to impose their moral, social, and political values on the rest of the population.

How about questioning all the grief that "faith" has brought into this world throughout history, up to and including the Islamic fundamentalist movement that has spread so much of God's good will through terrorist actions.

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RE: Authority of the Bible? - 6/25/2009 3:13:50 PM   
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If  A Chritian is right about what they believe in, they have everything to gain.
If they are wrong they lose nothing.
 
If a non Christian does not believe and he is wrong, then he loses everything.
 
Why take that chance? Hum?
 
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This is called Pascal's wager. It is deeply fallacious.

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RE: Authority of the Bible? - 6/25/2009 4:04:05 PM   
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I have been unable to find any reasonable reason why I should believe why the authority of the bible takes precedence over any other holy book. 



If that is the case then don't believe in it. Simple really.

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RE: Authority of the Bible? - 6/25/2009 4:09:05 PM   
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Do you honestly believe he is looking to be persuaded? I got the feeling from the OP that this was a good excuse to take a jab at those who believe in the bible. Not sure why anyone cares what someone else believes, but I get the impression from some of the posters that it is very important to them.


Not sure why?

Taking a jab?  Yeah.  And yes it's kind of important.

How about questioning why there is a need in this country for people to throw their religion in other's faces.

How about questioning why the "believers" feel it is not only their right but their duty to impose their moral, social, and political values on the rest of the population.

How about questioning all the grief that "faith" has brought into this world throughout history, up to and including the Islamic fundamentalist movement that has spread so much of God's good will through terrorist actions.



Sorry but I have better things to do than pick apart someones beliefs. You want to believe that all believers are out to impose their faith on you, that is your business. I don't see things that way. I know there are some who do, but I ignore them.

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RE: Authority of the Bible? - 6/25/2009 5:21:40 PM   
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Do you honestly believe he is looking to be persuaded? I got the feeling from the OP that this was a good excuse to take a jab at those who believe in the bible. Not sure why anyone cares what someone else believes, but I get the impression from some of the posters that it is very important to them.


Not sure why?

Taking a jab?  Yeah.  And yes it's kind of important.

How about questioning why there is a need in this country for people to throw their religion in other's faces.

How about questioning why the "believers" feel it is not only their right but their duty to impose their moral, social, and political values on the rest of the population.

How about questioning all the grief that "faith" has brought into this world throughout history, up to and including the Islamic fundamentalist movement that has spread so much of God's good will through terrorist actions.



Sorry but I have better things to do than pick apart someones beliefs. You want to believe that all believers are out to impose their faith on you, that is your business. I don't see things that way. I know there are some who do, but I ignore them.


No one is picking -   I know I am not picking.  My desire is to have conversations with intelligent people about their beliefs.

Why when I/we attempt to have an intelligent conversation with believers do they view it as an attack? This objection has already been used in this thread.  I did my best to demonstrate why such a belief is not true.  Christianity is not under attack by the masses in this country. 

Boi along with others have taken a defensive posture which is also similar to the above mentioned 'objection'.  I do not question faith or religion with a personal vandetta or objective to dismantle it.  The study of religion is intertwined with cosmology, ancient language, history, biology, chemical evolution, astronomy and many numerous fields.  It is a fascaniting and rewarding study as it provides a unique look into human nature.  I question it to seek answers because I am curious.  If my questions are preceived as a threat then the person who feels threatened is the one who needs to question their belief.( I am using the word threat very loosely.)

Question Everything

My question which I have clarified in my mind since the OP.  Why do you believe the bible is an authority when placed next to other holy books which make the same exclusive yet contradicting claims?

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RE: Authority of the Bible? - 6/25/2009 6:24:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		 The answer to your question is simple Esin as the people who follow it have decided of their own volition that this book embodies ideals that they both agree with and believe. It is no different to choosing fascism over communism or monarchy over republic. One decides what they think is right based on their interpretations of available material in this case the bible.

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RE: Authority of the Bible? - 6/25/2009 6:34:29 PM   
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Question Everything

My question which I have clarified in my mind since the OP.  Why do you believe the bible is an authority when placed next to other holy books which make the same exclusive yet contradicting claims?

E



No. As I said earlier...the bible is biased in favor of the writers and that same principle applies to any other religious bible of other faiths.


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RE: Authority of the Bible? - 6/25/2009 7:26:41 PM   
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the people who follow it have decided of their own volition that this book embodies ideals that they both agree with and believe. It is no different to choosing fascism over communism or monarchy over republic.


"Decided of their own volition" could be quite easily be replaced with "been indoctrinated to accept"  in this excerpt, a bit like when there's two answers that fit in crossword puzzle that could both look correct and you can't know the correct one without the solution.

Todays "sermon" ... if they didn't publish the solution to the puzzle you could complete it wrongly and it may still make sense to YOU... but be wrong.

I heard a "holy" (christian) man start preaching to a large respectful audience once, he started with "life is like a teapot" and continued to talk shite (gibberish if you're sensitive) for 20 minutes, I never found out his views on cannabis.

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RE: Authority of the Bible? - 6/25/2009 8:12:04 PM   
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Question Everything

My question which I have clarified in my mind since the OP.  Why do you believe the bible is an authority when placed next to other holy books which make the same exclusive yet contradicting claims?

E



No. As I said earlier...the bible is biased in favor of the writers and that same principle applies to any other religious bible of other faiths.



So I am able to conclude from this you believe that god is a creation of man?

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RE: Authority of the Bible? - 6/25/2009 9:41:52 PM   
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The answer to your question is simple Esin as the people who follow it have decided of their own volition that this book embodies ideals that they both agree with and believe. It is no different to choosing fascism over communism or monarchy over republic. One decides what they think is right based on their interpretations of available material in this case the bible.

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It is no different to choosing fascism over communism or monarchy over republic


Untrue:
I accepted my political affiliation when I was 20.  It was after 9 years of passive study(My daughter is 11 and learning about government in school now).  As it is an important decision in the USA we are forced to wait 18 years.  This is because it is now a fact cognative thinking skills are not learned in 90% of the population until this age and later simply put we are not mature enough prior to that age.  How old were you when baptized - I was 1 yr old.  Christians seem to be between 6-10 with an average age of 8 while Catholics will baptize children as early as 3 months.

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One decides what they think is right based on their interpretations of available material.


Again untrue the process which one arrives at a conclusion which is true or untrue is much more complex::
Prior to obtaining my degree I spent 12 years in school.  Then I spent 2 at a community college and an additional 2 at a recognized school in my area.  During this time I worked in the field and at my home.  The majority of my life was spent studying.  After all the choice I made here would impact my life; it was important I pushed myself and demanded the best.  My question:"is this the proper path".  This study impacted my friends and family.  I spent thousands of dollars out of pocket.  I on occasion worked 2 jobs because this decision was so important.  God trumps career, correct?   Don't you think more effort should be extended to which god to love, obey, fear, worship and pray to than personal interpretation?  .  In no other sphere of human knowledge: Math, Etymology, Health Science or Biology would we ever consider it acceptable to arrive at a conclusion based solely on personal interpretations.  A person who has arrived as an authority figure that was demonstrated only utilized one of the weakest tools in the box(personal intrepretation) would rightfully be quickly marginalized by the main stream.  I have numerous concerns about your 3 sentences which we can address as we go.  But something to consider aside from the fact it is obvious you were lazy when selecting your god doesn't your methodolgy imply that the god of the bible is subjective instead of objective?  The very nature of a personal intrepretation is subjective.  This contradicts the teachings of YHVH who is the self described Alpha - Omega

*Excluding college the average person spends over 12,960 hours in school.
*The Encyclopedia of Christianity
By Erwin Fahlbusch, Geoffrey William Bromiley, David B. Barrett

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RE: Authority of the Bible? - 6/25/2009 11:26:03 PM   
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RE: Authority of the Bible? - 6/25/2009 11:36:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		"I did not ask for an argument.  I put together an intelligent and articulate 3-4 paragraph 'letter'. "

Uh, no, you just acted like all the other fucksticks that abouse the very concept of any Bible by avoiding dorect and concrete questions put to you after you stirred the shit-pot to get your own jollies, 'e-sin'.

Which has been going on since before the net, since BBS systems in universities were the norm over 20 years ago.

Don't get "arch" with us or on a high horse until you realize that horsey on this carousel has been ridden by thousands before you, and better, I might add.

Now if you really want to fuck with established religion based in so-called "Christendom", on a kink board like this, why don't you point us to some links of Nuns being spanked and/or sodomized?

Since if you ARE kinky versus just playing around here, you'd have no problem with that.

And if you disliked the Bible this much you know about such  Nun fetishes and have a laugh at "spreading the wealth" of such fetishes.

Unless of course you're just one more 20-something reinventing the wheel on a KINK site while not actually doing anything kinky at all.  Even a small sideline comment (and no, your comment in your first post RE Bible-condoned torture/sadistic practices while the biblebashers villify kinky people does not count since that has been old had since the late 90's).

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RE: Authority of the Bible? - 6/26/2009 12:40:32 AM   
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RE: Authority of the Bible? - 6/26/2009 1:07:04 AM   
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a line from a chapter in a radioplay I'm working on...

"If we are created in HisHerIt's Image, and we have practical Jokers and Tricksters in he realm of Men, that means that by the Bibles' Definition God is a Trickster and plays practical jokes."

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RE: Authority of the Bible? - 6/26/2009 3:27:18 AM   
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RE: Authority of the Bible? - 6/26/2009 4:01:09 AM   
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