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RE: Lifestyle Martyrs - 6/26/2009 9:19:06 AM   
LaTigresse


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Just remember, not everyone joined this site to find someone.

Some of us came here to find ourselves.

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RE: Lifestyle Martyrs - 6/26/2009 9:21:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Andalusite

Steel, obviously, this isn't an issue for me - I had pretty definite standards in some areas, but was very flexible about labels, the shape of the relationship, etc. It surprised me a little that you brought this topic up, since I'd had the strong impression that you and andi had a very "non-negotiable, this is what we need in our poly partner" thing going on, to the point that if she didn't have enough chemistry with you on the first date, or wanted to let the conversation flow more naturally and take time to get to know you, you'd reject her out of hand.


I am sorry that I ever gave you this impression. That is very much so NOT the case.

Andi and I know what we want Structure wise in the Family. We know that we are PolyFi we know that we don't care for cheating and we know that we require communication.

We also know that getting to know someone takes time, however we think that time is DURING a relationship, sure there are lots of things one should know before you get involved and we try to get those things covered quickly. Like History of Mental Illness, Violence, Preferences and the Gambit of Likes and Dislikes as they apply to relationships in general, however the down and dirty part is seeing how it all works in the mix. How do the people involved function TOGETHER. How does the UNIT stand up to the trivialities of life?

I am willing to try and work through just about ANYTHING there are very few situatiuons in which I am Iron Set against trying to move forward. However ONE thing I AM Iron Set on is Progress. If the behaviors of someone are a direct hinderance of progress and they are not willing to facilitate a function of Progress and the only solution to them is that everything change to make them happy then it is obvious that there is an empass and it is time to evaluate how it will be handled. Option one is to Change the Process to make them happy and everyone agree that it should be changed or Terminate the relationship as no one else feels that changing the process of behavior is worth the change.

I am OPEN to solutions and ideas that could lead to a solution. I have come to learn that when one starts the Chose a side Options that it is a downward spiral that never stops. If we cannot come to terms then it needs to end.

If you are refering to the fact that if andi is not interested in someone that it won't happen. Yes you are correct however andi and I are a lot alike on the concept that it isn't so much features about them that we are looking for as much as it is how we get along. If andi feels that getting along with someone is going to be a challange why then would we want to move INTO something knowing that the basic act of getting along is going to be a challange?

Beyond that we are willing to get to know ANYONE and on a person to person and face to face level, most of the time that ourt Poly Connections ended was because they could either not grasp or not accept that we really did want an equal partner in our family. They were welcome and the invite was there they just chose not to take it.

I hope that answered your question of your thought if not please let me know where I lost you.

Steel

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RE: Lifestyle Martyrs - 6/26/2009 9:23:42 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Just remember, not everyone joined this site to find someone.

Some of us came here to find ourselves.


I agree with this.

I am offten to General in what I say. I would be refering to those particular individuals who have an AD listed but also say they are happy being single.

Not everyone fits into any one catagory I admit this openly and freely I am speaking most often of a specific class concept.

Steel

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RE: Lifestyle Martyrs - 6/26/2009 11:23:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

. On All sorts of things but none so much as what they REQUIRE. 

looking because they don't want to get stuck by a needle that isn't the one they are looking for.



NOT ONE has managed to live up to his standard and won't even try to have a relationship with any of the ones who have shown they are interested because they do not meet his EXACT preference.


Steel


A matryr is one who sacrifices his life for his belief...
I am assuming you are meaning that people are wasting valuable time..life lessons and thier life by enveloping themselves in the idea of THE ONE...
and the one may be a very narrow criteria.?

thus they will not find them and then lay about  lamenting and whining about it..

I COULD NOT AGREE MORE...
 
Because many come to CM..the BDSM world..the lifestyle and meet in an inverted triangle as I call it with the kinks known and out on the table first..it is often a detriment,,

Fetish and desires may match to a certain degree..enough to play but to DEVELOP a relationship just from that exact thing or narrow preferences may be impossible..
It could be like having a relationship with long nails...or blonde hair...or GS..or CBT only..when there is a WHOLE person there.

To develop and CHECK OUT a relationship and then see the commonalities of the fetish...kink BDSM life ..and personalitites is far more fruitfull.

Many many many NARROW their preferences to such a degree they will NEVER find anything

.......thus they go about suffering..meloncholy and with lamentations abounding in the mists of the night.

It makes me want to slap them
 
I feel it is ridiculous..to narrow your world in such a way

So much is MISSED by  preferences of body type..race..2 fetishes that are a must..a limit that does not "match"..distance..
age requirements...hair...lists of must haves...
like a fast food order place..

How can you know what WHAT other things may develop that you may NEED??
Desires that you have not even thought of..?? doors you have not opened??things that can come into your life if you OPEN TO IT..
 
EGS)
a 19 yr old boy approached..me..on CM last fall.( I had an age limit)..HE wanted a Mistress or so he thought.As we talked it was clear that what he really wanted was a safe place to cross dress...and acceptance and discussion.
I love to do this( listen..learn..educate) and
love to see the feminine bloom in a man..the balance there.
We came up with an agreement where by he came by and dressed at my place and we had girl time.He felt safe..secure and got to exlpore )without exchanging sex for it...which he thought he had to)

I got to see a man's exploration into the new which I love
He writes to me from College in NS and says it was a turning point in his life.I am grateful to have been a part.It happened becuz we did not narrow ourseleves but opened and communicated.

Eg) I recently met a man on CM who is gay...I never would have thought I would have a gay sub/exploration partner but it might be happening..why?
as we went for coffee..laughed..talked..went out for dinner...
We both felt safe knowing some sexaul things would be out..we were then freed up to focus on a specific exploration and our arts interests...as a well as nature/ mountain interests..

.We are at the process of building a relationship of friendship and companionship ,common liesure time fun and  the fetish exploration combined with mutual interest in the arts( An art friend  yay)
.I would not have gotten to know this wonderful intelligent man nor he I if we had not opened to it.... overlooking sexual orientation
and other "I am intos..."

eg)MY 3rd -2nd *R....would not have been anyone my Primary partner and I would have thought would come into our POLY home...our personalities actually clashed..our backgrounds..
so different..skill sets and education at opposite ends of the spectrum...but as we got to know this man thru common projects..
staying at our acerage..communication...events...
a wonderful thing occured..
all ours "WAYS" began to COMPLIMENT each other..his ways of being added to ours and ours to his. He became my 3rd-2nd husband for 6 years and we are in touch still.
It never would have occured with without taking the narrow view shields down..tolerance..judging not. to sticking to.preferences that are must haves...

soooooo
IF SOMEONE has been whining for a long time about not finding the one or about lack of opportunity .....

they may not SEE WHAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT of them at times...
they may not be willing to BUILD but want a "ready made.."
 
I do very much understand the investments of time( and past lessons of what one does not want) and thus the need for an idea of what you need for harmony and balance..
AT the same time getting to know someone..even though they do not match all on your list
 then ADDING the new with the old can be exhilerating and 3x what you thought possible.

 
I wonder how many of "the ones" were right  there?
...how many valuable experiences  missed?
 
 
GQ

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RE: Lifestyle Martyrs - 6/26/2009 2:10:08 PM   
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Damn you keep beating me to the punch often. Also, some of us are here to post on the forums and to just communicate as friends with people. If they are advertising, and have extremely unflexable high standards, then that also means they have to pick through a lot more straw to find that needle.

I am one of those that said recently in a topic "I would rather be single", and I meant it. It is not a defense, it is merely the fact that settling for less in the past has not done anything but provide good and bad distraction for the short term. Amazing that I have held out for so long, I finally found my needle and we are doing amazingly well.

Steel, maybe your theory has merit in some cases, and others it does not. Kind of like all theories of this sort. To each their own, and absolutes rarely are.


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Just remember, not everyone joined this site to find someone.

Some of us came here to find ourselves.


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RE: Lifestyle Martyrs - 6/26/2009 3:25:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

Holey smokes!  Do you know how many times people say that in this forum alone?  Never settle. Hmmm.. my most memorable dominant was someone I would never have considered.  How does anyone know this person is not what they want until they begin to forge a relationship?  Heck, it took me 3 months of screwing to discover I was not in love with my ex husband, I was just .. controlled by him. 
I always wondered how people are so sure to think "this is what I want, nothing else will do".  I am not young anymore and I still don't know what I want.  I just know what does not work for me.
Of course I am a freak anyway.  I don't seek and generally these things just seem to find me.



I'm of two minds about this. I know what I want. It isn't a lot of specific things, it's just one or two things about the type of relationship I need that have to be there. How do I know what I want? Because I've had lots of experience with having it and lots of experience with not having it or having something different. I've compared and analyzed the two sets of life experiences and determined what factors need to be present to make something right as in so perfect it can't be real for me. And you know how some people start playing the piano when they are very small, 2 or 3 years old, they are just drawn to that piano, and whether or not they become very good, they play it for their entire lives and never lose their love for it? That's been my experience with submission and slavery. Why should such a person, who clearly loves playing the piano and has had decades of enjoyment doing so give it up? So that's my first mind: one or two essential things, not much, but they have to be present and they will play a primary part of any decision that someone is right for me. Basically I need someone who is looking for the same type of relationship that I am. The details almost don't matter to me, as everything else falls neatly into place when that fit of primary needs is there. And I have such a hard time finding the right fit, that I cannot, will not, let any of that other stuff matter. As a result I've been attracted to and pursued relationships with people that many submissives would run screaming from in horror or turn their noses up at their "inappropriateness." I just don't pay any attention to that surface stuff. He (or she) can weigh 700 pounds, if it's a male, his cock can be nine inches or three inches, he can feel like he's a woman inside or be a woman that's certain she's a man inside, he can be a philandering alley cat that delights in screwing other women, even having long-term relationships with them and then rubbing that in my face, he can have a fetish for real dolls or for the bible or for pregnant women (or any other unusual fetish for that matter), he can be a great deal older than me or a great deal younger than me, he can be blind, handicapped, even bedridden, and as long as the couple of essential things I need are there, I'll be overjoyed and consider myself extremely lucky to be with him. How do I know this for certain? Well, let's just say I try very hard not to write about things I am inexperienced with. ;) So, like I said, two minds. Very rigid about the few things I know I need. Very open about everything else. It works for me.

But I guess the point I wanted to make was that sometimes your experience teaches you what you need. I don't think experience teaches anyone to need someone who meets a huge laundry list of rigid perfectionist expectations, however. A person with such a list is either someone who hasn't learned from their experiences or, more commonly, someone who is actively avoiding a relationship while pretending to the world to want one.

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RE: Lifestyle Martyrs - 6/27/2009 5:57:26 AM   
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RE: Lifestyle Martyrs - 6/27/2009 11:15:27 AM   
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Dude, some people are only happy when bitching and complaining that they are...unhappy.

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RE: Lifestyle Martyrs - 6/28/2009 7:02:16 AM   
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Such a beautiful post LaTigresse!

It brings back the time, when i started chatting. Often people would ask and what are you looking for? The first times i was completely irritated, because i chatted to explore the medium, the internet, the online bdsm scene and had not a clear frame of search criteria.

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