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Mercnbeth -> RE: Bidden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/6/2009 11:43:22 AM)

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Merc given the propensity for cheating from heretofore moralistic Republicans and the actuarial certainty of celebrity deaths this is not a scenario the current Administration need fear.

No kidding Mike - was Steve McNair a Democrat or Republican? Next time anyone asks what's so bad about cheating; my answer is you can get lead poisoning from a delusional Dave & Buster waitress.

The most important thing for this Administration must be not to get involved in any such scandal. Maybe that's why the entire First Family had to take the trip to Russia? I mean, I often make beth come with me on business trips, especially by car, so I can commute in the car-pool lanes; but doesn't the President already get an escort through traffic?
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ORIGINAL: Loki45

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Want to hear "crickets chirping"?

Ask an Obamite how any of the current trends and Administration policies point to a positive result?


How about we....oh I don't know....just wait and see the result? I mean those on the right really shouldn't care if Obama's policies fail since so many came out months ago saying they HOPED he would fail. Let's forget of course that he *IS* the president now and if he fails, the country is worse off. No, we'll forget about that just like those who went on camera and said they hoped he failed.

As for what results Obama's policies are having or will have.....I've already begun seeing news pieces about things slowly turning around. This country ain't a sports car. It won't turn on a dime. But things are changing.
Your inability to identify any of the "things" specifically is the sound of "crickets chirping". Meanwhile, Unemployment? Value of US currency? Escalation of war in Afghanistan? Ongoing occupation of Iraq? Escalating hostilities from N.Korea, and Iran? Spending? Taxing?

"Seeing news pieces" with no substance behind them is the exact example of this Administration's faith based' following among the public and his media apologists. I expect we'll be reading the "Misreading of the many other things as this Administration continues. Any policy failure will be the result of reading skills and never be credited to the people who actually make the decisions, and controlled their implementation.

Another result of an education system that accepts a representation of "I misread the question" when you don't come up with the correct solution to the question 2+2=? Reward failures and you encourage...? To me, both of those questions have very obvious answers. To misread them either speaks to ignorance or agenda. Take your pick either position, considering VP Biden's Administration insider status, points to a terrible likely result. Of course the PC position is that any answer is acceptable because 2+2 equals whatever you believe it is. However, like our currency, that answer is coming under a LOT more scrutiny in the rest of the world.

Oh yeah "TIME!" It has replaced "CHANGE!" as the Obamite's rallying cry. Yeah - give a failed policy, like bailing out failures, more time and it will work! How? Well, it just takes "TIME!"...





lronitulstahp -> RE: Biden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/6/2009 11:43:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I would saythat it is arguable:

Media Mum on Barney Frank's Fannie Mae Love Connection

Democratic House Financial Services Committee Chair promoted GSEs while former 'spouse' was Fannie Mae executive.


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ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

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even though Congressional Democrats arguably share some portion of responsibility:

That's not arguable, is it?



i'm confuzzled...i was agreeing with the fact that Congressional Dems have some responsibility...and i still get a link???[8|]





CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Biden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/6/2009 11:53:57 AM)

Ok, here's the deal... Whether you're an individual or a country, you can't run a home or a country on someone else's money. I've made my share of mistakes in this area -- it took me a long time to figure out that borrowing to buy just doesn't work. Our country is doing the same thing, and, frankly, the American people are part of the reason why. We want things like food for our poor and health care that we can afford, but we don't want to PAY for it... and we're willing to pay for stuff that really doesn't work worth crap... like our legislated morality (the 'war' on drugs, etc.) and flush the money down the drain, without ever asking "how are we going to pay to -enforce- that new 'no smoking' law? How are we going to find prison space for all those new 'morality' criminals? Who's going to pay to feed and house them, and what rapist or murderer are we going to RELEASE to put that pothead with a quarter-ounce in his back pocket behind bars?

Honestly, I think Arnold, for all the other ways in which I don't agree with him, did the right thing in telling the people of California that, if they didn't want to pay for their social programs, the programs were going to have to go. That being said, the Congressional budget is -fully- as bloated and obese as the American population has become. The difference is, I -know- I'm fat because I made bad choices, and I know the only way it's going to change is to make even HARDER good choices. The American population is still caught up in finding someone -else- to blame for where we are, instead of tabling the "he did it... no SHE did it" and sitting down and doing the really HARD work of fixing it instead of wasting months on who did what. There is just too much excess in the damned budget, and some of it is going to have to go. Is it going to hurt? Hell yes. Sticking to the 'obesity' analogy, when I stopped being able to work out and walk, I should have stopped eating some of the stuff that was inclined to pad my ass -- but I didn't, and now my ass is big as a house, and it is HARD WORK and really painful to get it back off there, especially because I still have to deal with the core underlying illness on -top- of the disease caused by my 'bloat'. In the same way, getting our budget mess straightened out is going to HURT -- and honestly, the poor and the unemployed and the next generation shouldn't, IMO, have to carry the whole burden of this. There are a lot of folks out there who are getting government handouts who don't NEED it. Trickle-down economy -does not work-. If we need proof, it is all over the financial pages. It is a -failed theory- folks... so maybe it's time to pull in our belts and be our own Robin Hoods and start looking at where the money is -really- going, who is benefitting, and whether that is -really- the way we want to see ourselves.

I'll say, up front, that I hurt like hell for all the greedy folks who don't want to be part of a society and who want to keep all their money to themselves or give it to their rich friends AND for all those folks who think that the community should pay their way while they sit on their assets, play their Playstations and watch cars go round and round on a track while downing a 12-pack of OPB (other people's beer). Maybe there's a nice island somewhere that you can go to and not have to think at all about the people around you who are struggling, busting their butts to try to make ends meet, and dying while pharm companies, insurance companies, medical profiteers, corporate farmers, welfare frauds, and speculators line their pockets, but those days need to come to an end, my friends. If we're going to get a handle on this mess we've made, EVERYONE is going to need to suck up the pain, get off hir behind, and contribute, one way or another.

Dame Calla






slvemike4u -> RE: Biden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/6/2009 12:00:02 PM)

Love the way you just ignored the whole "moralistic" aspect of my post Merc.....try reading and comprehending the entirety of the post.....it works so much better...and helps one form a response that actually works.
Let me make it easy for you....I have no truck with anyone deciding they want a little strange......just stay the fuck off the soapbox when the antics of others are being discussed.
Edited to help out the selective reading crowd.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Biden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/6/2009 12:07:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Love the way you just ignored the whole "moralistic" aspect of my post Merc.....try reading and comprehending the entirety of the post.....it works so much better...and helps one form a response that actually works.

Wow - and here I thought 'Misreading' was socially acceptable. Your point is well taken and I appreciate; it's only acceptable when YOU think it is. See - that's my problem - I just don't have a faith based position or think party label rationalizes a spin to differentiate a venial sin from a mortal sin.

Pity you don't take a similar position on the much more serious occasion exposed by the the current VP's misreading disclosure. Who knows, maybe in time...




Sanity -> RE: Biden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/6/2009 12:10:33 PM)


My apologies, I misunderstood what you wrote.




slvemike4u -> RE: Biden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/6/2009 12:11:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Love the way you just ignored the whole "moralistic" aspect of my post Merc.....try reading and comprehending the entirety of the post.....it works so much better...and helps one form a response that actually works.

Wow - and here I thought 'Misreading' was socially acceptable. Your point is well taken and I appreciate; it's only acceptable when YOU think it is. See - that's my problem - I just don't have a faith based position or think party label rationalizes a spin to differentiate a venial sin from a mortal sin.

Pity you don't take a similar position on the much more serious occasion exposed by the the current VP's misreading disclosure. Who knows, maybe in time...

Merc perhaps you should spend less time worrying about my "faith based position"(please see earlier post in which I discussed my voting record....just look for it on page 1...if you read complete post's you will find it)and more time on your Italian escape from the sins of America.....whether venial or mortal.




Loki45 -> RE: Bidden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/6/2009 12:17:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Your inability to identify any of the "things" specifically is the sound of "crickets chirping". Meanwhile, Unemployment? Value of US currency? Escalation of war in Afghanistan? Ongoing occupation of Iraq? Escalating hostilities from N.Korea, and Iran? Spending? Taxing?


Wow....you're almost as chicken-little-esque as pahunkboy.

So....I'm not supposed to read stories about the housing market improving and take that as a sign of change?

What do you expect me to do? My own straw poll across the nation and find people's attitudes? Sorry, but the news is a valid source of information. It's a shame you don't see it that way. I've seen improvements in my own area and the news reports that many of the negatives reported on last year are slowing down or reversing course (that means they are becoming positives).

Perhaps you just dislike the current administration so much you refuse to see it. Don't be ashamed. It happens.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Biden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/6/2009 12:27:10 PM)

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Perhaps you just dislike the current administration so much you refuse to see it. Don't be ashamed. It happens

Perhaps Loki, if you provided some reference to refute on a national level any of those topics raised, you could change my perspective of reality. Whether I like or "dislike" the current Administration has nothing to do with quantifiable results.

I'll help you. Yes, sales of foreclosed properties are up! They were FORECLOSED properties and somebody got evicted, but re-sales are up! Sold at distress at a price lower than the mortgage balance which in turn reduces value of anyone else's property on the block. The fact that many of these are being bought by speculators closely resembling post Civil War 'Carpetbaggers', who then rent the houses back is the perspective I have based upon my reading and research.

I'm not ashamed of knowing of what I speak. I'm not ashamed of asking people who feel differently to provide references for their position. When I see "TIME!" as the only response and "Misread" is acceptable as a Administration version of "Whoops"; its not a result of not liking anything other than the results.

Mike,
To me past voting records mean little unless everything else going on at the time the decision was made is also up for discussion. ALL such personal decisions are out of current context, and generate a big SO WHAT?

You want to discuss morality and self aggrandizing finger pointing, seeing it as a critical distinction to rationalize differentiating the exact same actions taken by individuals; well obviously the media has been very influential on you. Me? - I don't care what label is assigned.

Results are what they are and if you, or anyone, needs to assign blame, I'll stipulate it being assigned to any and all prior Administrations going back to John Hancock and his handling of the Colonial Convention. What has that got to do, and how does that influence the logically predictable result of failure coming from a policy of rewarding, and funding failure?

I appreciate your concern for my "escape". I am happy to report that all is going VERY well. Thanks for asking!




Loki45 -> RE: Biden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/6/2009 12:34:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Results are what they are


Just out of curiousity...do you leave a a football game or change the channel after the first quarter?




slvemike4u -> RE: Biden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/6/2009 12:40:09 PM)

And again you misunderstood Merc....I have no concerns for your escape....other than how long it is taking.
Seriously did you or anyone expect miracles, the man has been in office 6 mo. the ship of state does not turn on a dime.Especially when one considers how long it had been sailing in the wrong direction.




Loki45 -> RE: Biden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/6/2009 12:48:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
And again you misunderstood Merc....I have no concerns for your escape....other than how long it is taking.
Seriously did you or anyone expect miracles, the man has been in office 6 mo. the ship of state does not turn on a dime.Especially when one considers how long it had been sailing in the wrong direction.


Careful careful. With talk like that, he's only going to spout more rhetoric about how we went from chanting 'change' to 'time.' Apparently, along with the rest of Obama's opponents, he thinks change should happen instantaneously.......unless of course the republicans are in power. We all know they can do whatever the hell they want and get away with it.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Bidden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/6/2009 12:52:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Loki45

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Your inability to identify any of the "things" specifically is the sound of "crickets chirping". Meanwhile, Unemployment? Value of US currency? Escalation of war in Afghanistan? Ongoing occupation of Iraq? Escalating hostilities from N.Korea, and Iran? Spending? Taxing?


Wow....you're almost as chicken-little-esque as pahunkboy.

So....I'm not supposed to read stories about the housing market improving and take that as a sign of change?

What do you expect me to do? My own straw poll across the nation and find people's attitudes? Sorry, but the news is a valid source of information. It's a shame you don't see it that way. I've seen improvements in my own area and the news reports that many of the negatives reported on last year are slowing down or reversing course (that means they are becoming positives).

Perhaps you just dislike the current administration so much you refuse to see it. Don't be ashamed. It happens.
Yes, it does...especially with those of you on the left any time someone from the right is in office.  About 2 days after Bush was in office, as I recall...




slvemike4u -> RE: Biden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/6/2009 12:55:27 PM)

Loki,there really isn't any need for any supporter of this President to chant "time"....As best I remember the term of office is 4 years,nothing short of an impeachment can remove the man from office,no matter how many threads Sanity starts...or Merc parrots his personal "rewarding failure" mantra.(and yes I know there is another ,far less savory,method of removing a sitting President from office.....please don't point out my omission to me ...it was deliberate)




CreativeDominant -> RE: Biden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/6/2009 12:59:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Loki,there really isn't any need for any supporter of this President to chant "time"....As best I remember the term of office is 4 years,nothing short of an impeachment can remove the man from office,no matter how many threads Sanity starts...or Merc parrots his personal "rewarding failure" mantra.(and yes I know there is another ,far less savory,method of removing a sitting President from office.....please don't point out my omission to me ...it was deliberate)
Actually...it's not just Merc's mantra.  And what do you call it when a man taxes the corporations that make a profit and provide jobs so that he can prop up those companies who cannot make a profit without the playing field not only made level but slanted in their favor?




Loki45 -> RE: Bidden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/6/2009 1:00:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
Yes, it does...especially with those of you on the left any time someone from the right is in office.  About 2 days after Bush was in office, as I recall...


Perhaps you want to delete the "of you" after "those." I supported Bush back then. I didn't cease in supporting him until he turned into a potato-head who clearly has no fucking clue what he's doing (sometime around 2003).

I will always be a middle-ground voter who votes based on who I think will be the best for this country. As for "2 days after Bush was in office," I was still in the military at that time. I couldn't have spoken out against him if I wanted to. It just so happens I didn't 'want' to until after he lost his damned mind.




Loki45 -> RE: Biden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/6/2009 1:02:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Loki,there really isn't any need for any supporter of this President to chant "time"....As best I remember the term of office is 4 years


Oh I know it. And their guy had 8. The least we can give ours is 1 or 2 before we start bitching about it, don't you think? I mean seriously, 8 years vs .5? Makes no sense (like most of their rhetoric).




rulemylife -> RE: Bidden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/6/2009 1:03:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

No kidding Mike - was Steve McNair a Democrat or Republican? Next time anyone asks what's so bad about cheating; my answer is you can get lead poisoning from a delusional Dave & Buster waitress.

The most important thing for this Administration must be not to get involved in any such scandal. Maybe that's why the entire First Family had to take the trip to Russia? I mean, I often make beth come with me on business trips, especially by car, so I can commute in the car-pool lanes; but doesn't the President already get an escort through traffic?


Why in God's name would Obama or the Democratic Party be part of any scandal regarding McNair"s death even if he was a registered Democrat who voted for Obama?

As far as taking his family, as I recall, Laura Bush was on many of the former President's trips and I don't recall your complaints then. 

And I'm pretty sure the tickets for the rest of the Obama family on Air Force One didn't cost too much extra.

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Want to hear "crickets chirping"?

Ask an Obamite how any of the current trends and Administration policies point to a positive result?

Your inability to identify any of the "things" specifically is the sound of "crickets chirping". Meanwhile, Unemployment? Value of US currency? Escalation of war in Afghanistan? Ongoing occupation of Iraq? Escalating hostilities from N.Korea, and Iran? Spending? Taxing?



You know, this is getting really old.

You make posts like these, with absolutely nothing to substantiate your position and then declare victory because no one provides you the specifics that you yourself fail to provide.

On your "what's been stimulated" thread you raised ten other topics beside the one the title of the thread claimed to be about, apparently using the theory that if you throw enough shit against the wall something will stick.

Again with absolutely no support for any of your claims but challenging others to prove you wrong.

I took just one issue, the tax credits, and gave you a lengthy response citing several sources of why it points to a positive result.

Yet I got absolutely no response from you on your own thread.  So, it's really getting hard to take you seriously anymore. 




Loki45 -> RE: Bidden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/6/2009 1:06:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
You know, this is getting really old.

You make posts like these, with absolutely nothing to substantiate your position and then declare victory because no one provides you the specifics that you yourself fail to provide.

On your "what's been stimulated" thread you raised ten other topics beside the one the title of the thread claimed to be about, apparently using the theory that if you throw enough shit against the wall something will stick.

Again with absolutely no support for any of your claims but challenging others to prove you wrong.

I took just one issue, the tax credits, and gave you a lengthy response citing several sources of why it points to a positive result.

Yet I got absolutely no response from you on your own thread.  So, it's really getting hard to take you seriously anymore. 


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slvemike4u -> RE: Bidden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/6/2009 1:10:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Loki45

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
Yes, it does...especially with those of you on the left any time someone from the right is in office.  About 2 days after Bush was in office, as I recall...




As I recall after Sept 11th 2001,Bush had all the support an American President could ask for both here and abroad.He and his puppet-master like V.P. than proceeded to squander all that support.
As usual your claims hold no water.




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