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MidMichCowboy -> RE: Public BDSM - should we tolerate it? (7/13/2009 7:26:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DemonKia If the kinksters displaying overt BDSM behaviors are doing it in front of people who did not or could not explicitly consent in a fully informed manner, that's inappropriate, to me. quote: ORIGINAL: DemonKia If the kinksters displaying overt BDSM behaviors are doing it in front of people who did not or could not explicitly consent in a fully informed manner, that's inappropriate, to me. If this behavior is exhibited in front of those who could & did give full consent, then it's fine & fun & wonderful . . . . .. I guess that says it for me. I don't feel the need to parade this in front of others in an overt way. I discipline my children discretely, but I insist they act well in public. I don't object to breast feeding when done in a "classy" way (you know the difference). I don't object to couples showing affection, regardless of their sex. But taking it to a level that is inappropriate, does not show anything but a selfish disregard. If objectionable things are done in front of my children, I will tell the person my objections. I believe that many of the gay pride parades and demonstrations that involved nudity and excess behavior, hurt the search for equal rights, including the right to marry. That is because it "offended" people and influenced their votes. Why do some feel the need to "parade" their kinks in public? A lot of what happens in BDSM or M/s is illegal. Forcing others to see and acknowledge them will cause a backlash. In life, some things are meant to be private. Those who wish to go to play parties and such that are screened and in private, go for it. To those who feel the need to ram it down the publics throat, realize you will cause a backlash for all. This is just my humble opinion.

SimplyMichael -> RE: Public BDSM - should we tolerate it? (7/13/2009 9:28:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero If you want to caricaturize my words when they are directed towards you to further either petty mockery or intentionaly strawmanning, that's fine. Doing so when my words are meant for another is..well...elementary school talk. What exactly is your point? Are you saying that it was wrong to caricaturize[sic] your words, especially when they were meant for others? REALLY? Isn't that pretty much all you do on CM?

BossyShoeBitch -> RE: Public BDSM - should we tolerate it? (7/13/2009 9:31:10 PM)
ORIGINAL: Bella1965 quote: Such a fine line is difficult to draw. What I find issue with is this: where is the difference between baring a breast, whether it be for feeding, indecent exposure, or kink? Uh, you are kidding right? Feeding=to sustain the life of an infant; THE REASON THAT MAMMARIES EXIST. indecent exposure; kink= to get an erotic or sexual thrill quote: Why is one right and not another? Hmmm. Gee I don't know. Maybe they are equally important after all! HALLELULEA! I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT! however, I don't deign to engage this person in any further discussions. I feel certain, after seeing her apt pictures and her clothing, that it is highly unlikely she and I would EVER be dining in the same restaurant anyway. Union Turnpike just ain't my thing.

NihilusZero -> RE: Public BDSM - should we tolerate it? (7/13/2009 10:19:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael What exactly is your point? Are you saying that it was wrong to caricaturize[sic] your words, especially when they were meant for others? REALLY? Isn't that pretty much all you do on CM? You have an odd way of interpreting message board history (something I noticed when you felt compelled to tell daddysprop that she spends all her time on the boards claiming she's a better submissive than others which I've never seen her do). My point is that you seem to be on a current something that's causing you to intentionally create abrasive comments when there is no need for them. You did so in another thread, where you called Leonidas' use of the word "bud" an insult and then proceeded to make demeaning remarks to me. While my method of debate can appear cold and analytical at times, I am always open to being wrong in an interpretation of someone's word and will nearly always ask someone what their position is. But, why don't you ask the veteran posters of the boards whether they think "pretty much all I do on CM" is create caricatures of their points (to where I, for instance, equate someone voicing disagreement to their calling another poster a "pansy")? Yes, even the ones you'd march out first presumably on your behest.

Bella1965 -> RE: Public BDSM - should we tolerate it? (7/13/2009 11:17:15 PM)
G'morning all: quote: ORIGINAL: beargonewild There are times where our own rights have to come second to what is the general acceptable rights of society. I do not agree. Everyone's rights are sacrosanct. Mine, your's, the lady/man down the street. I do not have to like it. I do not have to participate in it. I can absent myself from something I find objectionable. But I do not feel that anyone person's rights are greater or lesser than another's. Which is why I would defend your right as much as anyone else's rights, even if I find it distasteful. I refuse to surrender those rights simply because someone else's morality finds them questionable. We will just have to agree to disagree. Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others... [:D] Bella

Bella1965 -> RE: Public BDSM - should we tolerate it? (7/13/2009 11:25:06 PM)
G'morning all: quote: ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch however, I don't deign to engage this person in any further discussions. I feel certain, after seeing her apt pictures and her clothing, that it is highly unlikely she and I would EVER be dining in the same restaurant anyway. Union Turnpike just ain't my thing. Flaming is though? How very classy is that? Going for personal insults when you have nothing better to offer is very low brow indeed. How very unlike a dominant. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others... [:D] Bella

Arpig -> RE: Public BDSM - should we tolerate it? (7/14/2009 12:27:28 AM)
quote: however, I don't deign to engage this person in any further discussions. I feel certain, after seeing her apt pictures and her clothing, that it is highly unlikely she and I would EVER be dining in the same restaurant anyway. Union Turnpike just ain't my thing. That's just sooooo classy of you. [8\|]

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Public BDSM - should we tolerate it? (7/14/2009 4:22:20 AM)
~FR~ Mods must be taking a day off with all the flames going on. I believe a few people need a mirror to apply their own ethics and principles to, and then see how hypocritical they may be. As to the OP: If you do not like something in public, then they should stay in their home, or impose their will to stop the behavior they do not like.

CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Public BDSM - should we tolerate it? (7/14/2009 5:12:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bella1965 G'morning all: quote: ORIGINAL: beargonewild There are times where our own rights have to come second to what is the general acceptable rights of society. I do not agree. Everyone's rights are sacrosanct. Mine, your's, the lady/man down the street. I do not have to like it. I do not have to participate in it. I can absent myself from something I find objectionable. But I do not feel that anyone person's rights are greater or lesser than another's. Which is why I would defend your right as much as anyone else's rights, even if I find it distasteful. I refuse to surrender those rights simply because someone else's morality finds them questionable. We will just have to agree to disagree. Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others... [:D] Bella I'm afraid that, philosophically, I have to agree with the teddy bear on this one... While individual freedoms are vital (and most everyone here has heard my diatribe on personal freedoms and responsibilities), I think that we, individually, have a responsibility to consider the sensibilities of those around us when we decide how we are going to PRESENT our individual choices. To ignore that responsibility is to make a mockery of the entire process of being a civilized individual and living in a communal environment. Community is not just about one person and hir "rights" (which, as many of you know, I prefer to call "freedoms"), but also about the responsibility with which we -manage- those freedoms in order to be able to maintain a functional communal environment. As long as we are subjected to living in community, we have a responsibility, as rational adults, to consider not ONLY our personal desires, but the health, comfort, and freedom of the society in which we live and those neighbors with whom we must interact when we make choices about our personal behavior. In many places this is called "etiquette" or "good manners". It isn't about making laws to -regulate- behavior... it is a concomitant responsibility that comes along with having personal freedoms. The reason that we feel the need to create -laws- to regulate these kinds of things is, at least in part, because there are so -many- individuals who will not take responsibility for their share in maintaining the communal aspects of existence without being forced. Selfish, self-centered behavior is not -only- boorish and rude... it is also irresponsible and contributes to excessive legislation of not only one's -own- freedoms, but the freedoms of everyone else in the community. Dame Calla

Sunnyfey -> RE: Public BDSM - should we tolerate it? (7/14/2009 5:19:53 AM)
claps Good show Dame Calla![sm=goodpost.gif][sm=goodpost.gif][sm=goodpost.gif]

sirsholly -> RE: Public BDSM - should we tolerate it? (7/14/2009 5:27:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sunnyfey claps Good show Dame Calla![sm=goodpost.gif][sm=goodpost.gif][sm=goodpost.gif] [sm=agree.gif][sm=agree.gif][sm=agree.gif]

BossyShoeBitch -> RE: Public BDSM - should we tolerate it? (7/14/2009 6:04:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bella1965 G'morning all: quote: ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch however, I don't deign to engage this person in any further discussions. I feel certain, after seeing her apt pictures and her clothing, that it is highly unlikely she and I would EVER be dining in the same restaurant anyway. Union Turnpike just ain't my thing. Flaming is though? How very classy is that? Going for personal insults when you have nothing better to offer is very low brow indeed. How very unlike a dominant. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others... [:D] Bella Oh? (raises brow) Was that a flame? Maybe you should spend some time investigating why it is you decided to read that as insult?

sirsholly -> RE: Public BDSM - should we tolerate it? (7/14/2009 6:09:36 AM)
BSB...i love your sig line!!!!

BossyShoeBitch -> RE: Public BDSM - should we tolerate it? (7/14/2009 6:09:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW quote: ORIGINAL: Bella1965 G'morning all: quote: ORIGINAL: beargonewild There are times where our own rights have to come second to what is the general acceptable rights of society. I do not agree. Everyone's rights are sacrosanct. Mine, your's, the lady/man down the street. I do not have to like it. I do not have to participate in it. I can absent myself from something I find objectionable. But I do not feel that anyone person's rights are greater or lesser than another's. Which is why I would defend your right as much as anyone else's rights, even if I find it distasteful. I refuse to surrender those rights simply because someone else's morality finds them questionable. We will just have to agree to disagree. Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others... [:D] Bella I'm afraid that, philosophically, I have to agree with the teddy bear on this one... While individual freedoms are vital (and most everyone here has heard my diatribe on personal freedoms and responsibilities), I think that we, individually, have a responsibility to consider the sensibilities of those around us when we decide how we are going to PRESENT our individual choices. To ignore that responsibility is to make a mockery of the entire process of being a civilized individual and living in a communal environment. Community is not just about one person and hir "rights" (which, as many of you know, I prefer to call "freedoms"), but also about the responsibility with which we -manage- those freedoms in order to be able to maintain a functional communal environment. As long as we are subjected to living in community, we have a responsibility, as rational adults, to consider not ONLY our personal desires, but the health, comfort, and freedom of the society in which we live and those neighbors with whom we must interact when we make choices about our personal behavior. In many places this is called "etiquette" or "good manners". It isn't about making laws to -regulate- behavior... it is a concomitant responsibility that comes along with having personal freedoms. The reason that we feel the need to create -laws- to regulate these kinds of things is, at least in part, because there are so -many- individuals who will not take responsibility for their share in maintaining the communal aspects of existence without being forced. Selfish, self-centered behavior is not -only- boorish and rude... it is also irresponsible and contributes to excessive legislation of not only one's -own- freedoms, but the freedoms of everyone else in the community. Dame Calla I think I just fell in love with you Calla.[sm=hearts.gif][sm=hearts.gif][sm=hearts.gif][sm=hearts.gif]

Mercnbeth -> RE: Public BDSM - should we tolerate it? (7/14/2009 6:26:41 AM)
quote: While individual freedoms are vital (and most everyone here has heard my diatribe on personal freedoms and responsibilities), I think that we, individually, have a responsibility to consider the sensibilities of those around us when we decide how we are going to PRESENT our individual choices. To ignore that responsibility is to make a mockery of the entire process of being a civilized individual and living in a communal environment. Community is not just about one person and hir "rights" (which, as many of you know, I prefer to call "freedoms"), but also about the responsibility with which we -manage- those freedoms in order to be able to maintain a functional communal environment. As long as we are subjected to living in community, we have a responsibility, as rational adults, to consider not ONLY our personal desires, but the health, comfort, and freedom of the society in which we live and those neighbors with whom we must interact when we make choices about our personal behavior. In many places this is called "etiquette" or "good manners". It isn't about making laws to -regulate- behavior... it is a concomitant responsibility that comes along with having personal freedoms. The reason that we feel the need to create -laws- to regulate these kinds of things is, at least in part, because there are so -many- individuals who will not take responsibility for their share in maintaining the communal aspects of existence without being forced. Selfish, self-centered behavior is not -only- boorish and rude... it is also irresponsible and contributes to excessive legislation of not only one's -own- freedoms, but the freedoms of everyone else in the community. I take it that everyone agreeing and applauding this supports the "right wing" position of many communities in the US concerning same sex partners holding hands and showing affection to each other. How "self centered" of them to show their love for their partner in public! Let's chain them up and drag them behind the pick-up for a few miles and scrape off that disgusting homosexuality from their sinning bodies. Yeah - it IS about personal freedoms. The personal freedoms of individuals to live as they choose, and the personal freedom of someone who doesn't like it to walk away. I'd agree that "self centered behavior" is "boorish and rude". What's more self centered than applying your personal standards of decorum and thinking anything outside of them inappropriate?

sirsholly -> RE: Public BDSM - should we tolerate it? (7/14/2009 6:35:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: While individual freedoms are vital (and most everyone here has heard my diatribe on personal freedoms and responsibilities), I think that we, individually, have a responsibility to consider the sensibilities of those around us when we decide how we are going to PRESENT our individual choices. To ignore that responsibility is to make a mockery of the entire process of being a civilized individual and living in a communal environment. Community is not just about one person and hir "rights" (which, as many of you know, I prefer to call "freedoms"), but also about the responsibility with which we -manage- those freedoms in order to be able to maintain a functional communal environment. As long as we are subjected to living in community, we have a responsibility, as rational adults, to consider not ONLY our personal desires, but the health, comfort, and freedom of the society in which we live and those neighbors with whom we must interact when we make choices about our personal behavior. In many places this is called "etiquette" or "good manners". It isn't about making laws to -regulate- behavior... it is a concomitant responsibility that comes along with having personal freedoms. The reason that we feel the need to create -laws- to regulate these kinds of things is, at least in part, because there are so -many- individuals who will not take responsibility for their share in maintaining the communal aspects of existence without being forced. Selfish, self-centered behavior is not -only- boorish and rude... it is also irresponsible and contributes to excessive legislation of not only one's -own- freedoms, but the freedoms of everyone else in the community. I take it that everyone agreeing and applauding this supports the "right wing" position of many communities in the US concerning same sex partners holding hands and showing affection to each other. How "self centered" of them to show their love for their partner in public! Let's chain them up and drag them behind the pick-up for a few miles and scrape off that disgusting homosexuality from their sinning bodies. Yeah - it IS about personal freedoms. The personal freedoms of individuals to live as they choose, and the personal freedom of someone who doesn't like it to walk away. whoa...where did that come from? I could not care less if two homosexuals want to hold hands in public, any more that two heterosexuals. [8\|]

beargonewild -> RE: Public BDSM - should we tolerate it? (7/14/2009 6:37:34 AM)
Now now Holly....I believe Mercandbeth was being sarcastic with that last comment about homosexuals. Relax and melllllllllllow out!

sirsholly -> RE: Public BDSM - should we tolerate it? (7/14/2009 6:42:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beargonewild Now now Holly....I believe Mercandbeth was being sarcastic with that last comment about homosexuals. Relax and melllllllllllow out! really?

beargonewild -> RE: Public BDSM - should we tolerate it? (7/14/2009 6:48:39 AM)
Yes really. Especially when it was followed by this statement: quote: Yeah - it IS about personal freedoms. The personal freedoms of individuals to live as they choose, and the personal freedom of someone who doesn't like it to walk away.

sirsholly -> RE: Public BDSM - should we tolerate it? (7/14/2009 6:51:06 AM)
quote: I take it that everyone agreeing and applauding this supports the "right wing" position of many communities in the US concerning same sex partners holding hands and showing affection to each other. How "self centered" of them to show their love for their partner in public! Bear..as one that agreed with Callas post, i take offense to the above. If it was meant in a sarcastic light, fine. I did not see it that way.

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