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Proof The World Is 6,000 Years Old - End Game - 7/13/2009 8:35:13 PM   
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Sylvia Allen a US Senator said it.  The implications this has will dishearten tens of thousands of peer reviewed scientists.  However, a US Senator said it so it must be true.

I can't wait for her to present her evidence.
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RE: Proof The World Is 6,000 Years Old - End Game - 7/13/2009 8:41:13 PM   
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RE: Proof The World Is 6,000 Years Old - End Game - 7/13/2009 8:46:56 PM   
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The POINT she was making had little to do with the actual age of the earth.

I am curious why do we attack people who make mistakes when they are public figures?

Are we all really so perfect that this mistake makes her somehow sub-human?

Is everyone Mad that someone else in a public seat is also looking silly or less than Intelectually superior and so we need to drag every verbal mistake of social hiccup through the mud just so we can say ..... "Yeah well look at this Dumb Ass it makes our Dumb Ass look less Dumb Assie.

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RE: Proof The World Is 6,000 Years Old - End Game - 7/13/2009 8:54:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		6,000 years? I always heard the crazy Christian crackpots say 10,000. Actually, I've heard different sects throw out different numbers, but 10,000 years seems to be the standard among the loons.

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RE: Proof The World Is 6,000 Years Old - End Game - 7/13/2009 8:54:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not convinced she is a "young Earth" proponent based just on this video.  However, if she is, her beliefs deserve to be attacked.

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RE: Proof The World Is 6,000 Years Old - End Game - 7/13/2009 8:58:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'll add that I'm not convinced she is a Christian young Earth loon either. But I've always found the topic to be amusing. It's as amusing as I find people that believe in ghosts and aliens at Area 51.

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RE: Proof The World Is 6,000 Years Old - End Game - 7/13/2009 9:40:14 PM   
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I wouldn't.

The POINT she was making had little to do with the actual age of the earth.

I am curious why do we attack people who make mistakes when they are public figures?

Well given that 6000 years is the standard age for the earth quoted by the creationist loons, and that she said it twice, I think its probably safe to assume that she didn't make a mistake, and that she is one of those aforementioned loons.


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RE: Proof The World Is 6,000 Years Old - End Game - 7/13/2009 10:06:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

I wouldn't.

The POINT she was making had little to do with the actual age of the earth.

I am curious why do we attack people who make mistakes when they are public figures?



I don't think it's too much to expect that a United States Senator have at least a 1st-grade level of scientific literacy, or to be appalled that one of our Senators is so utterly and willfully ignorant. If I were one of her constituents, I'd be beyond embarrassed - I'd be outraged.


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RE: Proof The World Is 6,000 Years Old - End Game - 7/13/2009 10:17:06 PM   
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I wouldn't.

The POINT she was making had little to do with the actual age of the earth.

I am curious why do we attack people who make mistakes when they are public figures?

Well given that 6000 years is the standard age for the earth quoted by the creationist loons, and that she said it twice, I think its probably safe to assume that she didn't make a mistake, and that she is one of those aforementioned loons.



Yeah. Who else on this planet is stupid enough to believe that 6,000 year shit?


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RE: Proof The World Is 6,000 Years Old - End Game - 7/13/2009 11:56:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sylvia Allen is, thankfully, an Arizona State Senator not US Senator.

As to the 6000 year age of the Earth claim it is the standard claim by less sophisticated young earth creationists. It is based on an erroneoius calculation of the time span supposedly recorded in the Old Testament by Bishop Ussher in the 17th century.

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RE: Proof The World Is 6,000 Years Old - End Game - 7/14/2009 3:52:32 AM   
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Hey it makes as much sense to me as the earth being 6,000 years old


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RE: Proof The World Is 6,000 Years Old - End Game - 7/14/2009 3:57:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		The 6000 years as the age of the earth comes from the Jewish belief, atleast from their timeline from the making of the Earth until today. It is not something calculated by a bishop or even started by the christian. Have a look at the Hebrew calender and you would be able to find this out. The age said by the Jews was calculated even before the Christian belief existed.

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RE: Proof The World Is 6,000 Years Old - End Game - 7/14/2009 4:59:18 AM   
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The 6000 years as the age of the earth comes from the Jewish belief, atleast from their timeline from the making of the Earth until today. It is not something calculated by a bishop or even started by the christian. Have a look at the Hebrew calender and you would be able to find this out. The age said by the Jews was calculated even before the Christian belief existed.

estah


Yeah but see estah - it's the cool thing to blame all the christians and it's uncool to mention that there are jewish communities that believe this too, because then you are being antisemitic.
Oh the controversy.
 
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RE: Proof The World Is 6,000 Years Old - End Game - 7/14/2009 5:55:24 AM   
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RE: Proof The World Is 6,000 Years Old - End Game - 7/14/2009 6:05:16 AM   
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Yeah but see estah - it's the cool thing to blame all the christians
Um, you will note that I didn't specify teh religious affiliation of the creationist loons Iwas referring to.

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RE: Proof The World Is 6,000 Years Old - End Game - 7/14/2009 6:06:56 AM   
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Yeah but see estah - it's the cool thing to blame all the christians and it's uncool to mention that there are jewish communities that believe this too, because then you are being antisemitic.
Oh the controversy.
 
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It has nothing to do with the "cool thing" as you put it.

The fact is many Christian sects in this country teach this preposterous belief as fact and use it in the political realm to push their policies against any restrictions aimed to curb global warming and the teaching of evolution in schools, among others.

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RE: Proof The World Is 6,000 Years Old - End Game - 7/14/2009 6:11:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: estah

The 6000 years as the age of the earth comes from the Jewish belief, atleast from their timeline from the making of the Earth until today. It is not something calculated by a bishop or even started by the christian. Have a look at the Hebrew calender and you would be able to find this out. The age said by the Jews was calculated even before the Christian belief existed.

estah

No. It really is based on the work of Ussher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology


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RE: Proof The World Is 6,000 Years Old - End Game - 7/14/2009 6:28:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Esinn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_eEvn3SHMI

Sylvia Allen a US Senator said it.  The implications this has will dishearten tens of thousands of peer reviewed scientists.  However, a US Senator said it so it must be true.

I can't wait for her to present her evidence.



There is no need for evidence - anyone that disagrees is obviously a witch.

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RE: Proof The World Is 6,000 Years Old - End Game - 7/14/2009 6:36:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Yeah but see estah - it's the cool thing to blame all the christians and it's uncool to mention that there are jewish communities that believe this too, because then you are being antisemitic.
Oh the controversy.
 
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It has nothing to do with the "cool thing" as you put it.

The fact is many Christian sects in this country teach this preposterous belief as fact and use it in the political realm to push their policies against any restrictions aimed to curb global warming and the teaching of evolution in schools, among others.



Uhuh.  Hmmm. *nodding as if she is really listening*
Just remember though, these fads last a few years but no worries... I hear islam is the next new thang.
 
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RE: Proof The World Is 6,000 Years Old - End Game - 7/14/2009 6:44:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings DomKen,

I suggest you read the link you provided and do a little further research before you claim that it is
all based on the timeline of Ussher. In the link that you provided there is a number of other people who have
created a timeline similar to the one written down by Ussher. "Ussher's proposed date of 4004 BC differed little
from other Biblically-based estimates, such as those of Bede (3952 BC), Ussher's near-contemporary, Scaliger (3949
BC), Johannes Kepler (3992BC) or Sir Isaac Newton (c. 4000 BC)." If you looked up Bebe, Scaliger and Kepler you
would find out that all three had done their timelines before Ussher. Ussher's timeline was done in the 17th century
from the old testament, as the title of his work suggests, Annales veteris testamenti, a prima mundi origine
deducti (Annals of the Old Testament, deduced from the first origins of the world). Considering that the old
testament finds its origins in the Torah and the Tanakh from which the Hebrew Calender is taken and by comparing
the ages of Ussher's timeline and that of the others I have mentioned to the Hebrew Calender, it is quite possible
to say that the timeline of Ussher and the others, while they may vary to a slight degree, all have strong roots on
the timeline of the Jewish people and the Hebrew Calender. The current year in the Hebrew calender is 5769.

I hope you enjoy researching this topic further and thank you for mentioning the Ussher timeline, it makes for an
interesting topic th research.

estah

P.S. Another point mentioned in your link DomKen is the following quote...
The chronology is sometimes associated with Young Earth Creationism, which holds that the universe was created only a few millennia ago.
Please note that it is only 'sometimes associated' which does not mean that the idea is based on the timeline of Ussher.


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