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Brain -> RE: HEALTH CARE (7/28/2009 5:08:25 PM)

Bill Kristol bets that Sarah Palin will come on the Daily Show and admits the government can provide first-class health care.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-july-27-2009/bill-kristol



Brain -> RE: HEALTH CARE (7/28/2009 6:22:13 PM)

Anti-medicare Americans cite Canada's system -- wrongly　

U.S. health care reform is being slowed by right-leaning groups using misinformation to keep the system in private, for-profit hands
　

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Anti+medicare+Americans+cite+Canada+system+wrongly/1835850/story.html



Brain -> RE: HEALTH CARE (7/29/2009 12:54:28 AM)

The true measure of cross-border health
Canadians could do with less waiting - Americans with less cost

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/the-true-measure-of-cross-border-health/article1232897/



Brain -> RE: HEALTH CARE (7/29/2009 10:14:03 AM)

New CBO Report Boosts Democrats Healthcare Case

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives pounced on a congressional budget analysis to bolster their plan for a government-run health insurance option on Monday, as party leaders said they were closer to agreement on healthcare reform.

The report by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said the public option proposed by Democrats would not drive private insurers out of business and most people would still choose to get their medical coverage through employers.

The public option has come under heavy fire from Republicans who say it will devastate the private insurance industry.

"We're moving closer to a point where we can hold insurance companies accountable," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a Democrat, told reporters, repeating her frequent prediction that once a bill hits the floor for a vote "it will win."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090728/pl_nm/us_usa_healthcare






Brain -> RE: HEALTH CARE (7/29/2009 10:25:19 AM)

Doctors back House health bill

The nation’s largest organization of doctors, the American Medical Association, on Thursday strongly endorsed the House of Representatives health-reform bill that President Barack Obama wants lawmakers to pass in the next two weeks.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25037.html






Brain -> RE: HEALTH CARE (7/29/2009 11:14:48 AM)

Why All the Smart People Say Obama Is a Great President

If Obama is as dumb and inexperienced as you think he is, then how did he get elected president, huh?

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/why-the-smart-people-say-obama-is-a-great-president/



Arpig -> RE: HEALTH CARE (7/29/2009 11:17:48 AM)

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If Obama is as dumb and inexperienced as you think he is, then how did he get elected president, huh?
I don't know, but then again Bush II was supposed to be a near imbecile, and he got elected twice.



Lorr47 -> RE: HEALTH CARE (7/29/2009 11:20:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

Well unless I am mistaken, the present health care bill won't change any of that.


Won't change the theft ethic?  I am afraid you are right.

That the present proposal (whatever it is) will not change much?  I am afraid you are right.

It will take me time to liquidate what is left but immigrating somewhere seems prudent.



Let's car pool and save a few bucks. Coming from Minnesota, I can swing down through Chicago and pick you up in the ol' Subaru on my way through Michigan.



When are you and the Subaru coming through Michigan? 

A headline in the GR Press shows that there is a demand to delay or cancel the implementation of the new ethical provisions inserted in the real estate valuation statute.  Seems like several of the new valuations came in lower than those of several years ago and therefore some republicans are arguing that the new valuations must be wrong and the new act inherently wrong in its approach.  The "egregious" examples showed several  houses appraised in the past at $300,000  are now appraised at $250,000.

I kind of thought everyone believed that this would happen; everyone but those whose houses were involved?

We could look at this from the bright side.  Since there is no need for the new found ethics and regulations, perhaps Obama, despite republican interference, has gotten us out of the recession and everything can now go back to normal.

Also, the Chicago police are trying to change their gun policy.  The Chief apparently wants his officers to have the right to chase and shoot at fleeing motor vehicles.  It thrills me to no end to think of officers hanging out of the windows of squad cars shooting at fleeing bad guys when most cannot hit a stationary silhouette at twenty  feet; a keystone cops encore.

Another question is whether the civilians hit by the cops' stray bullets will be entitled to health care for their wounds; probably not, collateral damage.

I am starting to believe that the only way to stop idle minds from dreaming up this dangerous nonsense is to have them preoccupied with preparing their criminal defenses. I am unfortunately appreciating the demands for a special prosecutor or truth commission as our only hope to control idle minds.

And what about all my firearms.  I probably need to follow you to Arpig's place with a trailer.  Canada will not allow me in with all these pistols unless I can find some American expatriates to bribe.  Surely the "profit motive" has spread to Canada.



Mercnbeth -> RE: HEALTH CARE (7/29/2009 12:03:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Brain

Doctors back House health bill

The nation’s largest organization of doctors, the American Medical Association, on Thursday strongly endorsed the House of Representatives health-reform bill that President Barack Obama wants lawmakers to pass in the next two weeks.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25037.html


Considering the current national health care program, Medicare, enables them to steal money with virtual impunity, it's no wonder they would support a national take over of the entire system. Ever hear a report of medical billing fraud in the private sector? Does a week go by without a report of massive Medicare fraud?

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Missing from President Barack Obama's health care program pitch last night was the likelihood that increased government control will also mean increased fraud, corruption and abuse of the system.

According to Steven Malanga of the Manhattan Institute, experts estimate that "abuses of Medicaid (alone) eat up at least 10 percent of the program’s total cost nationwide -- a waste of $30 billion a year. Unscrupulous doctors billing for over 24 hours per day of procedures, phony companies invoicing for phantom services, pharmacists filling prescriptions for dead patients, home health-care companies demanding payment for treating clients actually in the hospital -- on and on the rip-offs go."


MEDICAID FRAUD



Lorr47 -> RE: HEALTH CARE (7/29/2009 12:27:25 PM)

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Considering the current national health care program, Medicare, enables them to steal money with virtual impunity, it's no wonder they would support a national take over of the entire system. Ever hear a report of medical billing fraud in the private sector? Does a week go by without a report of massive Medicare fraud?


Doctors steal money no matter what the situation.  This year I paid some bills in cash before the on again off again insurer made up its mind as to a broken bone.  In February I received a letter from the insurer wanting physician's codes and the like for my reimbursement request.  I sent the request to the physician's office.  In July after several more requests, I still had not gotten the requested information to get my cash back. 

The front desk and I got close to screaming at each other.  Finally, after another written request I told them that I was not leaving the crowded office until they told me the problem.  The billing office finally said that they had  the money.  After going around the bush again it became apparent that they had double billed.  They said that "double billing" was not an entirely correct way of putting it.  I asked if they had billed me for those services and been paid.  They said yes.  I asked if they had billed the insurer for the same services and been paid.  They said yes.  I said "then you double billed for the services." The doctor's office response: "Well, that is not entirely accurate"....They were really upset that I used the word "bullshit" in their expensive new offices.



Brain -> RE: HEALTH CARE (7/29/2009 8:00:11 PM)

Yes I did here recently about a lot of fraud in the system and somebody mentioned it earlier. I also heard they are hiring or did hire people to do investigations on a lot of claims. I think especially with the bad economy now, people are going to be even more tempted to make money improperly.



Brain -> RE: HEALTH CARE (7/29/2009 8:09:28 PM)

I think you need to report it. Although, somebody reported Bernie Madoff to the Securities and Exchange Commission and they didn’t do anything. But I think if you did report it there’s a good chance they would investigate it. I have a feeling they may just come back and say something like that it was an oversight. I would be surprised if they took criminal action but at least they would probably make them pay the money back.

But I must say that is a real pain in the ass to have to go through with insurance companies and doctors offices, like we don’t have enough stress in our lives. I hope the insurance company did something about it.



Brain -> RE: HEALTH CARE (7/29/2009 8:18:06 PM)

Would God back universal health care?
Religious texts give us a good idea. The common theme: Don’t turn your back on the needy.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/07/would-god-back-universal-health-care--religious-texts-give-us-a-good-idea-the-common-theme-dont-turn-your-back-on-th.html



Arpig -> RE: HEALTH CARE (7/29/2009 8:37:58 PM)

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Would God back universal health care?
Irrelevant to the debate. What God? I am pretty sure that Set wouldn't be all that supportive of it.



cadenas -> RE: HEALTH CARE (7/29/2009 8:49:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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And an individual isnt required to pay for it by law.
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Perhaps you should both read what I wrote, instead of looking for strawmen to tear down.

I said you cannot be denied treatment because of inability to pay. I didnt say that you arent repsonsible for your bills after the treatment is given.


Yeah you did.

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And an individual isnt required to pay for it by law.





Still cant connect the dots eh? One more time...if you dont have the inability to pay, the law cant make you pay.


Well, yeah. No creditor can make you pay. The hospital can't make you pay. Your car dealer can't make you pay. Your plumber can't make you pay for unclogging your drain. It is true - none of them are allowed to take the law into their own hands. All they can do is sue you, and when (not if) they win, they have the choice of garnishing your wages, seizing your bank account, sending a sheriff to seize your assets, put a lien on your house, or take any number of other legal actions to collect on the debt.

Hospital ER bills are NO different from any other bill in that respect. Subject to the same collection mechanisms as everybody else.

The only difference is that when you call a plumber the plumber is allowed to say "sorry" if he thinks that he won't be able to collect on his bill.




subfever -> RE: HEALTH CARE (7/29/2009 8:51:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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If Obama is as dumb and inexperienced as you think he is, then how did he get elected president, huh?
I don't know, but then again Bush II was supposed to be a near imbecile, and he got elected twice.


That's the first time I've laughed all day. Thanks, I needed that joke.

Of course, Obama isn't dumb and Bush is no imbecile. After all, Bush performed well for his masters and cronies, and Obama is following suit well-enough.



cadenas -> RE: HEALTH CARE (7/29/2009 8:55:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Considering the current national health care program, Medicare, enables them to steal money with virtual impunity, it's no wonder they would support a national take over of the entire system. Ever hear a report of medical billing fraud in the private sector? Does a week go by without a report of massive Medicare fraud?


And you know what's really odd about that? Despite "all this fraud" Medicare is able to deliver high-quality care to the oldest and therefore sickest people in the country for much lower cost than us younger privately-insured people get. Except for Part D - the part where the private sector got involved.

Makes you go hmmm.... Where is the money going in the private insurance companies?




Brain -> RE: HEALTH CARE (7/29/2009 9:14:57 PM)

Decision time for Obama on health
Giving ground will disappoint his liberal base

WASHINGTON - After months of talk, decision time is nearing for President Barack Obama on health care.
Bipartisan Senate negotiators are weakening some of his top priorities, leaving the president with a difficult choice: He can give ground, and implore disappointed liberals to go along with him. Or he can try to ram through a Democratic bill with his wishes intact, infuriating Republicans.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32193395/ns/politics-white_house/



Brain -> RE: HEALTH CARE (7/29/2009 9:21:04 PM)

Rachel Maddow Show:GOP sees death in health care

http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=63791



Arpig -> RE: HEALTH CARE (7/29/2009 9:23:19 PM)

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Or he can try to ram through a Democratic bill with his wishes intact, infuriating Republicans.
Fuck it, ram it through, isn't that what a majority in both houses is supposed to be for?



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