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RCdc -> RE: regarding fake doms and wanna bes. (7/17/2009 9:04:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyldHrt Yeah, put the kibosh on it, no one is "fake".... ... so, how long before "Liar" becomes another buzzword, Dark? [:D] Not picking on you personally, but the whole idea of invalidating words because their meaning is ambiguous bothers me. Call it a "buzzword", and dismiss it. I don't get that. If a word is popular enough to be a "buzzword", wouldn't it be better to find at least a loose consensus of the meaning within this venue? No I know your not picking or making it personal, Wyld. I do disagree that no one is fake. It's more like the reverse. Everyone is fake. I am not against buzz words at all so do not misunderstand me. They work when they are used in an effective manner. Like funishment or meatlife for an example. But the problem comes when you get people accusing someone of being fake just because they have little or no experience... and wyld, I know you have been around the boards and participating of in real time BDSM long enough to have seen it overused. How many times have s-types been labelled 'fakes and wannabes' because they refuse to bow down immediately on first contact? Or because they refuse to send images? Then in return, when they come on the message board all upset and asking why this happens - they are told - 'ignore the idiot - HE is the fake/wannabe! But why? Just because he isn't compatable with her? There are plenty of attention whores (and I mean that in the best way) out there they will themselves, be getting off on the fact that someone will get off on their picture after a short mail converstation! I get that 'liar' can easily become the next buzz word. But surely it's a little clearer and concise than fake or wannabe which in many, many cases just means 'incompatable'. the.dark.

Missokyst -> RE: regarding fake doms and wanna bes. (7/17/2009 9:07:42 AM)
I tend to regard someone as fake if they pretend to be dominant in order to get laid. The reason I regard them as fake is because when they don't get what they want they rapidly switch sides to "serve" me. Seems clear to me the reason they start out as dom is because it might get them some. Wanabee.. I am less inclined to define that. Although lately I am leaning to someone who would like to do this in theory, but does not have the determination to follow it through. I am a wanabee in education. I have handfuls of classes that could lead to multiple degrees in 12 more units. In theory that would be nice, but I lack the determination to follow it through. Kyst

daintydimples -> RE: regarding fake doms and wanna bes. (7/17/2009 9:13:36 AM)
That he is "clueless" as you call it makes him ignorant. It does not necessarily make him a fake. This would be my point. Remember, we all started somewhere.

Arpig -> RE: regarding fake doms and wanna bes. (7/17/2009 9:14:53 AM)
quote: Now, as to you? Are you going to tell me there is ZERO "mental" component to when you're smacking another? You're lying if you do... there's a mental component as well as a physical one. Alright, I will grant you this point. But there is a mental component to everything, from eating to shitting, so by your standard there is nothing that is just physical and this includes masturbation (huge mental component involved for me) or self hurting (also usually a huge mental component) so your assertion is baseless. The presence of a mental component in no way invalidates the predominance of the physical in most things sexual. More to the point your original statement was that "They don't get BDSM is not encapsulated in the physical." No since "encapsulate" in this context means "to summarize or condense", then yes, to many people BDSM is based in the physical. That you have found an emotional or spiritual aspect to your BDSM experience is wonderful, however not everybody seeks, or even believes in the desireability of such things, some people merely want to beat and fuck people. Why is this approach any less valid than yours? Which brings me back to my main question, which you have not addressed... quote: "Just beat her ass and force your cock down her throat". Why is this approach any less valid than yours? quote: being a slave = no life, no job, no goals, no love, no family, no nothing. Why is this approach any less valid than yours? quote: It had stupid shit on there about "100 Rules for Slaves" and crap like that Why is this approach any less valid than yours?

Arpig -> RE: regarding fake doms and wanna bes. (7/17/2009 9:16:08 AM)
quote: People forget that "Dom" is not merely short for "dominant"... Then what exactly does it mean?

RCdc -> RE: regarding fake doms and wanna bes. (7/17/2009 9:20:40 AM)
You either take it one way or the other. Either EVERYONE has the potential and is in fact a fake. Or no one is. You to me are a complete wannabe. I perved your profile and it's pretty unimaginative for me and a little too castlerealm for us (not that there is anything wrong or bad with castlerealm - it's just not what Master and I are into). You are a fake dominant or s-type and there is no way on earth that you could dominate me - nor bottom to me (depending what side of the coin you are on right now) because I do not give you that ability for reasons beyond your control. And because all you are are tiny 0s&1s on a screen. Your demeanor portrayed is ridiculous at best, you lame attempts at nullifying peoples ideas in posts simply because they do not match your own with your favourite buzz word 'insecure' - I find nauseating and slightly amusing. Now in return, you may find me repulsive and frankly, insulting. You dislike me enough to start with the second guessing and the sly innuendos (although I do look fabulous in ostrich feathers), you might find our profile long winded and mechanical - whatever. It really doesn't matter. The thing is, to me - you are a wannabe who has little interest in anything else than getting yourself heard, regardless of other peoples feelings. To me, that shows a lack of integrity. And to me, integrity in a dominant or a s-type is paramount and if you don't have it. Guess what? That makes you a fake. Everybodys fake and wannabe is someone elses SOMEBODY. And someones somebody, is another persons fake. And that includes you & me. the.dark.

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: regarding fake doms and wanna bes. (7/17/2009 9:25:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: Now, as to you? Are you going to tell me there is ZERO "mental" component to when you're smacking another? You're lying if you do... there's a mental component as well as a physical one. Alright, I will grant you this point. I was right, you were wrong... the remainder of what you wrote is your twisting about, so it's not worth addressing. quote: Which brings me back to my main question, which you have not addressed... quote: "Just beat her ass and force your cock down her throat". Why is this approach any less valid than yours? Because it is not the default for all subs/slaves. You should know this. quote: quote: being a slave = no life, no job, no goals, no love, no family, no nothing. Why is this approach any less valid than yours? Because it is not the default for all slaves. You should know this. quote: quote: It had stupid shit on there about "100 Rules for Slaves" and crap like that Why is this approach any less valid than yours? Because it is not the default for all slaves. You should know this.

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: regarding fake doms and wanna bes. (7/17/2009 9:30:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark You were better off with your Ostrich Defense...

GreedyTop -> RE: regarding fake doms and wanna bes. (7/17/2009 9:33:11 AM)
[sm=popcorn.gif] to the OP dark... YAY! well said!!

Arpig -> RE: regarding fake doms and wanna bes. (7/17/2009 9:37:34 AM)
quote: Because it is not the default for all slaves. You should know this. All right, what is the default for all slaves?

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: regarding fake doms and wanna bes. (7/17/2009 9:43:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: People forget that "Dom" is not merely short for "dominant"... Then what exactly does it mean? In short... someone who gets the phyical, mental, and emotional components of BDSM, who has taken their time to learn both their craft and the sub/slave they're dominating, who has proven capable of making the right life decisions for themselves in order to effectively lead/own another, who doesn't need a war-chest of toys, leather pants, and dark sunglasses to be "dominant" (they just are), who is not veiled in the "act" of pseudo-seriousness and pseudo-dominance, or expects another's submission without earning it first through trust, honesty, and action; not words. Someone who can be themselves, and not some internet BDSM cartoon caricature. That's a good start.

RCdc -> RE: regarding fake doms and wanna bes. (7/17/2009 9:50:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark You were better off with your Ostrich Defense... No. I may look fabulous in Ostrich feathers, but I don't kick people when they are already down and out. the.dark.

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: regarding fake doms and wanna bes. (7/17/2009 9:50:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: Because it is not the default for all slaves. You should know this. All right, what is the default for all slaves? There is no default... and that's one of the net-Dom errors that gives them away. You should know this too. They learn a few buzz words and think all subs/slaves are the same and pretend to be experienced. But each and every time, they expose themselves as the fakes they are. Refer back to the email example on the previous page.

RedMagic1 -> RE: regarding fake doms and wanna bes. (7/17/2009 9:51:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: Because it is not the default for all slaves. You should know this. All right, what is the default for all slaves? The default for all the not-fake slaves, you mean.......[;)] When I see someone say something like, "My experience has shown me that there are a lot of fakes," I immediately wonder what it is about that person that attracts fakes to him. My own experience, both online and in real, is that the world is populated by a lot of honest, forthright people, who just want to get by without doing harm to anyone else. Specifically regarding CM, most of the women I have met have told me, "You're the first man I've been willing to meet off this site," or, "You're only the third man I've met in two years." Now perhaps they were minimizing the number to appear "less slutty," but I've heard it often enough that I think there's really something to it. I'm still on the market, so each time we moved on after a few dates or a few months. But there's no question those women are real... and some of them still have CM profiles. Still, for a lot of guys, they were probably "fakes" and "timewasters." If your world is full of "fakes," you would be well served by stopping whatever you do that acts as a fakemagnet. The problem -- and responsibility -- lies with you, not with everybody else.

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: regarding fake doms and wanna bes. (7/17/2009 9:53:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark You were better off with your Ostrich Defense... ...I don't kick people when they are already down and out. What the hell are you talking about... are you in the Welfare line or something and want sympathy?!! The above has zero to do with anything posted.

SimplyMichael -> RE: regarding fake doms and wanna bes. (7/17/2009 9:56:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 When I see someone say something like, "My experience has shown me that there are a lot of fakes," I immediately wonder what it is about that person that attracts fakes to him. Red, I so agree with you there. If someone doesn't want them, doesn't see the world their way, etc, they are "fake". They just can't see that not everyone is like them and that is okay.

RCdc -> RE: regarding fake doms and wanna bes. (7/17/2009 9:59:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop dark... YAY! well said!! Thank you beautiful GT. God I am fabulous today. And it was a bloody good laugh! (Points for the movie) Mind, takes one to recognise one...[;)] quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA Someone who can be themselves, and not some internet BDSM cartoon caricature. That's a good start. There is no default... and that's one of the net-Dom errors that gives them away. You should know this too. They learn a few buzz words and think all subs/slaves are the same and pretend to be experienced. But each and every time, they expose themselves as the fakes they are. Annnnnnnnnd. I rest my case. the.dark.

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: regarding fake doms and wanna bes. (7/17/2009 10:01:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 Nice attempt to deflect with pseudo psycho-babble, with a bit of self chest-thumping thrown in to possibly get laid. Are you that hard up? Go thumb through a few femsub/femslave profiles... there's a common theme in most (as referenced in their journals)... once they create their profile, they get PAGES AND PAGES of mail within minutes! Most of the "You'll serve me now Cunt... you're my property" ilk. My favorites are the ones that tell you how "hot" you are when a pic hasn't even been approved. LOL... Idiots!!!

SimplyMichael -> RE: regarding fake doms and wanna bes. (7/17/2009 10:04:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 Nice attempt to deflect with pseudo psycho-babble, with a bit of self chest-thumping thrown in to possibly get laid. Are you that hard up? RedMagic dates women I wish I could. He is many things but hard up isn't one of them.

GreedyTop -> RE: regarding fake doms and wanna bes. (7/17/2009 10:08:07 AM)
masterwhatever... you are on a sinking ship, and you are one of the rats.

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