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Arpig -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/31/2009 9:20:48 PM)
quote: Luckily we are not competing for merits to be able to show you some things that might get you to understand my point. There is nothing on earth that you could show me that would get me to understand your point, indefensible is indefensible.

sweetsub1957 -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/31/2009 9:45:38 PM)
What the hell's the deal here, OP? Just cause I don't like your kink, it doesn't mean you're not welcome to it. Aren't we all supposed to allow each other their kinks? If I don't like something that's going on, guess what? I don't watch. There ya go OP. Isn't that a great idea?

Dastan -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (8/5/2009 10:19:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Apocalypso I have to admit to the fact I'm finding the fact you just took a paragraph to tell me how "I'm not gay, you are!", with the obligatory Internet Tough Guy threats, incredibly funny. (Yeah, that doesn't make you look insecure in your masculinity at all). And it's really tempting to start trolling you on this point, just for the hilarity that would ensue. But it's not really the point. Well, I am confused, because I really thought you meant it as that you were gay/bi and assumed we were.... Anyways, I don't have to be the Internet Tought Guy, I am tough and trust me, I didn't want to get tought the way i did nor do i wish it to anyone else, but I guess that sometiems people do need to learn the hard way and it's all good if it works for their benefit. And as for insecurities...well, I don't think you have to worry about mine or yours much. quote: ORIGINAL: Apocalypso I'd suggest you might be better placed actually looking at the point about how you're not treating women like human beings and ignoring them when they tell you anything you don't want to hear. That was kinda more important. It's also the one that's far more difficult for you to address. Because it actually means being honest with yourself and accepting that you're currently doing this for your fantasy and your needs. And actually accepting that maybe your current selfperception isn't in line with the reality of your attitudes. Facing up to that is going to take a lot more courage than posturing about irrelevant sideissues. Hence the fact you've spent the entire thread avoiding directly addressing that point, not just from me, but repeatedly being made to you, often by women. Hardest thing I have ever done this week: I got to see, instigated by a Mistress, a MaleDom FemaleSub video for 15 minutes. Gimmie a tazer and a freon spray again any time of the week, this hurt me more than a flaying with sandpaper, but I managed to take it. I didn't like it, but I managed to stop myself from hitting pause and lying to her saying I was watching the video or doing soemthing like that. Yay for me... I still feel bad about it, although I am understanding one thing regarding the issue, as she explained to me some things but it's not like I am about to learn to swim when I am still learning to crawl, if you get my drift. At least now I won't go medieval on soem guy if I see a dungeon scene and not get the heads up for it to know it's just play-alike. quote: ORIGINAL: Apocalypso Protip: The comment made about you and Flogger was me trying to bait you, successfully so. (Well, ok, and playing to an audience in general. I never claimed to be a saint). The comment about you being a misogynist was made entirely genuinely and was not an insult. It's an honest description of how I see you currently. I don't think you see yourself as one. Fine. And I could be entirely wrong. But maybe you should actually face the issue face on instead of just writing it off without looking at it. Because I'm guessing you're somebody who wouldn't want to see yourself as somebody who runs away... Trust me, I don't run away, and yes, I know you were trying to start a fight, but in my country, we don't run from them if we feel insulted or that it deserves the time, based on principle and convenience. Maybe it's the cause of having the longest guerrilla civil unrest in the world but it has also given us 60 years of being tough enough to rise above the rest of the continent in many ways, inside our souls. But I can understand that to your culture, things are different, you don't have your own internal war to go to, you don't have to live some things, so you got soft, and it's ok, no sin in being on the comfy end of the bench and leave the bed of nails to someone else to sit on. And if you see me as Misogynistic and such, well, i don't really care, I can agree to disagree, it's not like I am the Inquisition, but I do have my right and will exercise, to draw a line int he sand and dare someone toc ross it and face the music, because I believe in what i do and feel and think like on the issue. It's a human right, and I am not taking it to the extreme of shooting or blowing up someone and myself for what I believe in, but I will fight you for it, or anyone else, justa s you'd do it for your own thoughts and way of life, so once that is said, I don't think you'd run away from it as I wouldn't, as I know for a fact myself and I am starting to see a bit of yourself, but I guess you don't believe so.

Dastan -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (8/5/2009 10:22:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: Luckily we are not competing for merits to be able to show you some things that might get you to understand my point. There is nothing on earth that you could show me that would get me to understand your point, indefensible is indefensible. I'd simply have to say that you are then the kind of man who has the nerve to call someone outside to fight for a cause, but then starts saying it won't be any good to fight for it. Live your lie, go to your dungeon and spend another 30 years on it, I at least will have a couple of books published and recognition by my peesr for my achievements in the actual real world and not have to brag about the many girls I Dommed to feel I am a man.

Dastan -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (8/5/2009 10:26:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andalusite Dastan, I understood that what you said about Sharia was an analogy, but I still found it very offensive, like the PETA quote comparing broiler chickens being killed to the Holocaust. I still feel that that attitude is very condescending and controlling toward women, (you know better than women what they should do and feel, you want a say in how they conduct their sex lives, and you have the NERVE to compare being subjected to the sight of a woman daring to do something you don't want her to do with being imprisoned or killed due to unjust laws). Actually, I just said it to illustrate the intensity of my feeling towards it, not to exaggerate it that much into a big thing liek that, but well, if some PETA guy guy compares Chinese killing and eating dogs to cannibalism, as extrema as it sounds to some, it won't take off the focus fromt he fact that it is actually wrong, at least on some moral grounds, despite cultural viewpoints (not to mentiont he way those assholes kill the animals, cooking and chopping them up alive by the way, you can see many documentaries about it) but it also explains how he feels about it, not how the whole world needs to feel.

KCalli -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (8/5/2009 10:27:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LotusSong quote: ORIGINAL: Dastan I just discovered that i am uncapable of seeing women submit to men, I just don't know if anyone here has the same problem and if they had a way to tolerate it, as long as it is very light, and within the strictest defined limits of SSC. ¿ Is it something permanetly wrong in me or it can be fixed ? You're not alone. I have difficulty with female submission, but from the "hey.. I know it's play but you are setting the whole fem program back a generation". Guys.. just know you are dominating them because they LET you dominate them, just like the men let the Women dominate THEM. I have found out that in the D/s role, s holds the power, although it is of a different type than you are thinking of. I submit because I CHOOSE, on the other hand, Sir has much responsibility, as he looks after my needs, his needs, is responsible and must remain in control, because I cannot. In my eyes, Sir has the burden, which is what he desires, and in this I have freedom to submit to him, as I desire. It works quite well.

shadowowl -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (8/5/2009 11:17:43 AM)
At first it was a little disturbing cause I had known so many women that where in abusive relationships but then I have come to understand that in fact they are empowering themselves by being submissive. Instead of ending up in an abusive relationship because of their submissive tendancy or need to serve they have gone beyond that and taken control of their own personal way of living by being able to not only choose who they submit to but set the limits of that submission. submissive women are empowered over their vanilla counterparts in my opinion. So as mentioned above the s does hold a great deal of power in BDSM more so then they would in a vanilla relationship. IMO :)

Arpig -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (8/5/2009 11:25:18 AM)
quote: I'd simply have to say that you are then the kind of man who has the nerve to call someone outside to fight for a cause, but then starts saying it won't be any good to fight for it. Live your lie, go to your dungeon and spend another 30 years on it, I at least will have a couple of books published and recognition by my peesr for my achievements in the actual real world and not have to brag about the many girls I Dommed to feel I am a man. Oh My God!!! have you ever got me wrong.[:D] First of all I would very rarely call someone outside to fight, as I generally don't believe in violence solving things,and in a situation where violence was called for, I certainly wouldn't be so childish as to call a person outside to fight,Iwould fight right where we were. The "Dungeon" in my signature line is a joke, it refers to the game Dungeons & Dragons. And in my 4000+ posts on here,I have never once bragged to anybody about how many girls I dommed. You quite obviously know nothing about me, having misjudged me so utterly, while I am pretty darn certain I have you pegged just about right. [Mod Note: flame removed]

tazzygirl -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (8/5/2009 11:42:20 AM)
careful Arpig, i maybe falling in textual lust with you after that post! [8D]

ModeratorEleven -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (8/5/2009 12:19:36 PM)
Ok folks, settle down please. XI

XYisInferior -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (8/5/2009 11:06:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dastan To not dwell on it, let's say I am lucky it ended a friendship and didn't end me in jail. I just discovered that i am uncapable of seeing women submit to men. Abeit simple, my suggestions are to: a. remove yourself from situations where you'll see things that upset you; and b. work on keeping an open mind about other lifestyles, beliefs, D/s preferences, and so on. There is nothing worth getting violent about what you see and experience, so long as the individuals are consensually involved.

Dastan -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (8/6/2009 10:20:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: I'd simply have to say that you are then the kind of man who has the nerve to call someone outside to fight for a cause, but then starts saying it won't be any good to fight for it. Live your lie, go to your dungeon and spend another 30 years on it, I at least will have a couple of books published and recognition by my peesr for my achievements in the actual real world and not have to brag about the many girls I Dommed to feel I am a man. Oh My God!!! have you ever got me wrong.[:D] First of all I would very rarely call someone outside to fight, as I generally don't believe in violence solving things,and in a situation where violence was called for, I certainly wouldn't be so childish as to call a person outside to fight,Iwould fight right where we were. The "Dungeon" in my signature line is a joke, it refers to the game Dungeons & Dragons. And in my 4000+ posts on here,I have never once bragged to anybody about how many girls I dommed. You quite obviously know nothing about me, having misjudged me so utterly, while I am pretty darn certain I have you pegged just about right. [Mod Note: flame removed] Sure you did get me pegged right.... I hope the weather is cool and calm in that little world of yours. I'll probably check in and visit when I want a vacation offworld and want to rest between prizes and lectures. Get a life, D&D ?

Dastan -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (8/6/2009 10:22:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: XYisInferior quote: ORIGINAL: Dastan To not dwell on it, let's say I am lucky it ended a friendship and didn't end me in jail. I just discovered that i am uncapable of seeing women submit to men. Abeit simple, my suggestions are to: a. remove yourself from situations where you'll see things that upset you; and b. work on keeping an open mind about other lifestyles, beliefs, D/s preferences, and so on. There is nothing worth getting violent about what you see and experience, so long as the individuals are consensually involved. Well, yeah, i understand that...but in my defewnse, regarding item "b"....I heard the screams, the words and I didn't know it was a scene and that it was the way she wanted it, so I just busted the door and went a little overboard. I see a girl tied to the bed, a guy in casual clothing without any toys in the room and his dick handing out and I think "rape" if I see the girl in tears sporting some marks and some welts, scratches and bruises.

XYisInferior -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (8/6/2009 11:18:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dastan quote: ORIGINAL: XYisInferior quote: ORIGINAL: Dastan To not dwell on it, let's say I am lucky it ended a friendship and didn't end me in jail. I just discovered that i am uncapable of seeing women submit to men. Abeit simple, my suggestions are to: a. remove yourself from situations where you'll see things that upset you; and b. work on keeping an open mind about other lifestyles, beliefs, D/s preferences, and so on. There is nothing worth getting violent about what you see and experience, so long as the individuals are consensually involved. Well, yeah, i understand that...but in my defewnse, regarding item "b"....I heard the screams, the words and I didn't know it was a scene and that it was the way she wanted it, so I just busted the door and went a little overboard. I see a girl tied to the bed, a guy in casual clothing without any toys in the room and his dick handing out and I think "rape" if I see the girl in tears sporting some marks and some welts, scratches and bruises. I would say your reaction to protect and defend was a noble one. Since you didn't understand the "scene" was consensual, you reacted as most men would, I'd suspect. That is rather different from having a problem with seeing Women submitting to men consensually, don't you think?

Dastan -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (8/9/2009 1:18:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: XYisInferior quote: ORIGINAL: Dastan quote: ORIGINAL: XYisInferior quote: ORIGINAL: Dastan To not dwell on it, let's say I am lucky it ended a friendship and didn't end me in jail. I just discovered that i am uncapable of seeing women submit to men. Abeit simple, my suggestions are to: a. remove yourself from situations where you'll see things that upset you; and b. work on keeping an open mind about other lifestyles, beliefs, D/s preferences, and so on. There is nothing worth getting violent about what you see and experience, so long as the individuals are consensually involved. Well, yeah, i understand that...but in my defewnse, regarding item "b"....I heard the screams, the words and I didn't know it was a scene and that it was the way she wanted it, so I just busted the door and went a little overboard. I see a girl tied to the bed, a guy in casual clothing without any toys in the room and his dick handing out and I think "rape" if I see the girl in tears sporting some marks and some welts, scratches and bruises. I would say your reaction to protect and defend was a noble one. Since you didn't understand the "scene" was consensual, you reacted as most men would, I'd suspect. That is rather different from having a problem with seeing Women submitting to men consensually, don't you think? I consider that there's a problem because it does make me worry and disgusts me to see such plays. I just don't get it why a man gets off on making a girl kneel and kiss his feet and be his footstool or fetch the slippers like a dog or so, let alone use violence and I think that the reaction was disproportionate because of how the scene impressed me, whjich wouldn't be that extreme if it had not been me. I have been trained to subdue an attacker much faster and easier without such brutality, but they had to pull me away from him after I reduced him, and that's why i think there's a problem fueling it.

LillyoftheVally -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (8/9/2009 1:21:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dastan I consider that there's a problem because it does make me worry and disgusts me to see such plays. I just don't get it why a man gets off on making a girl kneel and kiss his feet and be his footstool or fetch the slippers like a dog or so, let alone use violence and I think that the reaction was disproportionate because of how the scene impressed me, whjich wouldn't be that extreme if it had not been me. I have been trained to subdue an attacker much faster and easier without such brutality, but they had to pull me away from him after I reduced him, and that's why i think there's a problem fueling it. Violence means something different. I wouldn't like a man being violent to me. But again who are you to say what should or shouldn't get someone off?

Loki45 -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (8/9/2009 1:25:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dastan I consider that there's a problem because it does make me worry and disgusts me to see such plays. I just don't get it why a man gets off on making a girl kneel and kiss his feet and be his footstool or fetch the slippers like a dog or so, let alone use violence and I think that the reaction was disproportionate because of how the scene impressed me, whjich wouldn't be that extreme if it had not been me. I have been trained to subdue an attacker much faster and easier without such brutality, but they had to pull me away from him after I reduced him, and that's why i think there's a problem fueling it. After 6 pages and you still not 'getting it,' I would suggest you leave the lifestyle. Then you won't be at any parties where you can interrupt a scene and it won't be a 'problem' for you to see.

catize -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (8/9/2009 2:41:39 PM)
quote: You're not alone. I have difficulty with female submission, but from the "hey.. I know it's play but you are setting the whole fem program back a generation". The goal of the feminist movement was to create parity for woman and to ensure equal rights under the law. The objective was to give us choices rather than keep us in preconceived ‘womanly’ roles. The feminist movement gave us options; we no longer ‘had’ to marry, we could choose whether or not to procreate, we could (in theory) work the same jobs as men and expect the same pay. It was/is about our right to choose. My decision to submit in my intimate relationships upholds that goal because I have a choice. To suggest my aspiration to submit negates feminism as a whole is as narrow minded and confining as those who tried to tell us in pre-feminist times what we could do and how we should act.

sweetsub1957 -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (8/9/2009 9:32:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dastan quote: ORIGINAL: XYisInferior quote: ORIGINAL: Dastan quote: ORIGINAL: XYisInferior quote: ORIGINAL: Dastan To not dwell on it, let's say I am lucky it ended a friendship and didn't end me in jail. I just discovered that i am uncapable of seeing women submit to men. Abeit simple, my suggestions are to: a. remove yourself from situations where you'll see things that upset you; and b. work on keeping an open mind about other lifestyles, beliefs, D/s preferences, and so on. There is nothing worth getting violent about what you see and experience, so long as the individuals are consensually involved. Well, yeah, i understand that...but in my defewnse, regarding item "b"....I heard the screams, the words and I didn't know it was a scene and that it was the way she wanted it, so I just busted the door and went a little overboard. I see a girl tied to the bed, a guy in casual clothing without any toys in the room and his dick handing out and I think "rape" if I see the girl in tears sporting some marks and some welts, scratches and bruises. I would say your reaction to protect and defend was a noble one. Since you didn't understand the "scene" was consensual, you reacted as most men would, I'd suspect. That is rather different from having a problem with seeing Women submitting to men consensually, don't you think? I consider that there's a problem because it does make me worry and disgusts me to see such plays. I just don't get it why a man gets off on making a girl kneel and kiss his feet and be his footstool or fetch the slippers like a dog or so, let alone use violence and I think that the reaction was disproportionate because of how the scene impressed me, whjich wouldn't be that extreme if it had not been me. I have been trained to subdue an attacker much faster and easier without such brutality, but they had to pull me away from him after I reduced him, and that's why i think there's a problem fueling it. Well the deal is, OP, if you don't happen to like the way a scene impresses you, LOOK AWAY before you have to get involved with interrupting it. I can tell you right now that, if you were to interrupt a situation between Sir & I, I would be extremely pissed off....at YOU. About that time I would be acting very UNsubmissive toward you and chewing you out. I happen to enjoy being submissive to my Man. At times I find it hard to see what others do, but to each their own. As long as it's not against the law, I say "count me out, but go for it if you want to." Respect others' right to indulge their kinks that are different than yours withOUT judging them. An open mind is a good thing. If you are "uncapable of seeing women submit to men," i will say once again, JUST DON'T LOOK. TURN AWAY. If it's a consensual situation, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS and your getting involved is unwanted meddling and interference.....unwanted by BOTH parties involved. I just don't understand why, after six pages, YOU still don't "get it."

Dastan -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (8/13/2009 8:50:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 quote: ORIGINAL: Dastan I consider that there's a problem because it does make me worry and disgusts me to see such plays. I just don't get it why a man gets off on making a girl kneel and kiss his feet and be his footstool or fetch the slippers like a dog or so, let alone use violence and I think that the reaction was disproportionate because of how the scene impressed me, whjich wouldn't be that extreme if it had not been me. I have been trained to subdue an attacker much faster and easier without such brutality, but they had to pull me away from him after I reduced him, and that's why i think there's a problem fueling it. After 6 pages and you still not 'getting it,' I would suggest you leave the lifestyle. Then you won't be at any parties where you can interrupt a scene and it won't be a 'problem' for you to see. I think you haven't yet started to get it yourself Loki..but I guess it is wise to forgive and forget ignorance or at least an omission. And you certainly didn't seem to read well into my words, i suggest you leave the thread if you can't follow it.

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